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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 08:34 PM Sep 2014

Islamists Destroy 7th Century Church, Mosque in Tikrit, Iraq

According to a report by BBC Arabic, Islamists in Tikrit have destroyed The Assyrian Green Church, built in 700 A.D., and Forty Shrine, the oldest Islamic religious shrine in Iraq.
Islamists, most likely ISIS, planted explosives around the Assyrian Green Church, which is located inside the presidential palaces compound in the center of the city, and detonated them, completely destroying the ancient church, which belonged to the Assyrian Church of the East.

Similarly, Islamists planted explosives around the Forty Shrine mosque and surrounding tombs, located in the center of the city in Salahuddin Province, and detonated them, completely destroying the mosque. It is believed the Forty Shrine housed the remains of 40 of Muhammad's comrades, who took part in the Islamic conquest of the region during the reign of the second Caliph Omar ibn al-Khattab in 638 A.D.

ISIS has destroyed churches, religious shrines and mosques in the provinces of Kirkuk and Nineveh, including the tombs of the prophets Jonah, George, Daniel as well as a number of ancient churches in the provinces of Salahuddin and Nineveh. In Mosul ISIS has destroyed or occupied all 45 Christian religious institutions (AINA 2014-07-29).

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Islamists Destroy 7th Century Church, Mosque in Tikrit, Iraq (Original Post) n2doc Sep 2014 OP
they seem to just enjoy destroying things and people JI7 Sep 2014 #1
They're buildings Glassunion Sep 2014 #2
Meh? Those buildings are antiquity and meaningful to people. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #3
Ok. I've never been upset at losing things. Glassunion Sep 2014 #8
Those were a little more significant than "a pile of bricks" Throd Sep 2014 #10
And where did i say any of that? hrmjustin Sep 2014 #14
I didn't sy killing 1/2 of the world. Glassunion Sep 2014 #26
Ok i will edit but i still never brought up killing anyone. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #29
Meh? Seriously? Throd Sep 2014 #4
What an ignorant thing to say. nt sufrommich Sep 2014 #5
so were those churches in the South that were torched huh? nt Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #6
So people were actively using these 1000+ year old buildings? Glassunion Sep 2014 #9
They're more than "1000+ year old buildings." Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #12
They are still historical, they're old. Glassunion Sep 2014 #18
The OP is getting across that it happened at all. Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #20
No one needs to seek my feelings on anything. Glassunion Sep 2014 #24
Did they kill anyone when they blew up the buildings? Throd Sep 2014 #34
Why must you be enraged, maybe saddened that history is being destroyed by extremists? Rex Sep 2014 #25
So if a bunch of racist assholes destroy the pueblo settlements in the SW onenote Sep 2014 #37
Sheesh ... a false dichotomy? Trajan Sep 2014 #13
Unbelievably stupid comment. badtoworse Sep 2014 #42
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #7
How can I blame this on Obama!? LostInAnomie Sep 2014 #11
with all the money, arms, and encouragement he gave AQ in Libya and Syria, mayhap? MisterP Sep 2014 #38
This is so sad to see Marrah_G Sep 2014 #15
That doesn't make any sense. Is this just to further piss off the population at large? Rex Sep 2014 #16
They are part of a puritanical strain of islam n2doc Sep 2014 #17
Thanks, that is what I was wondering. Rex Sep 2014 #19
They are closely related to Wahhabism n2doc Sep 2014 #21
I wonder how the feel about The Rock in Mecca. Rex Sep 2014 #23
I think they would destroy that if they could n2doc Sep 2014 #28
Amazing really, to have so little regard for the history of the people they supposedly worship Rex Sep 2014 #30
They'd blow it to bits flamingdem Sep 2014 #35
Who Needs Infidels Dirty Socialist Sep 2014 #22
And surprise, surprise no one tried to stop these Military Industrial Complex mercinaries 951-Riverside Sep 2014 #27
Some things never change. Rex Sep 2014 #32
Are you still peddling your evidence-free conspiracy theory? kwassa Sep 2014 #36
Just imagine what they would do in Egypt MFM008 Sep 2014 #31
Well, isn't that SPECIAL? WinkyDink Sep 2014 #33
It's not special FrodosPet Sep 2014 #40
Allusion to Dana Carvey SNL character. :-) WinkyDink Sep 2014 #41
Like Hitchens, Dawkins, et al, as an atheist I despise desecration. longship Sep 2014 #39
Appropo of nothing, it just occurred to me that religion sanctioned closeupready Sep 2014 #43

JI7

(89,271 posts)
1. they seem to just enjoy destroying things and people
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 08:38 PM
Sep 2014

there is no point to what they do other than they think it's cool and fun to do it.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
8. Ok. I've never been upset at losing things.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 08:57 PM
Sep 2014

People are a different story.

So telling me that some 1500 year old pile of bricks was blown up supposed to get me all upset to the point where I agree with killing people 1/2 a world away? To hell with that.

Throd

(7,208 posts)
10. Those were a little more significant than "a pile of bricks"
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 09:00 PM
Sep 2014

The second half of your statement is a counter to an argument nobody made.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
14. And where did i say any of that?
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 09:19 PM
Sep 2014

Last edited Thu Sep 25, 2014, 09:50 PM - Edit history (1)

Can you provide a link please where i said we should kill people half a the world away?

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
29. Ok i will edit but i still never brought up killing anyone.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 09:50 PM
Sep 2014

The point of the op was to bring sttention to the fact it happened.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
12. They're more than "1000+ year old buildings."
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 09:17 PM
Sep 2014

They are of historical, archaeological, and religious importance, at a minimum.

But I get your attitude...too cool for school. I'd think someone with that avatar would have a little more reverence for the
symbolic sanctity of places of worship, but that's fine.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
18. They are still historical, they're old.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 09:31 PM
Sep 2014

They are still archeological, they are just flat. As for religious, they still are. I'm not denying that it sucks. ISIS is a group of doody heads. But is this OP supposed to enrage me or something? They blew up buildings. Yes. Does it suck? Yes. Beyond that, am I supposed to be angry, vengeful or something?

I'm angry they murder people. What is the OP trying to get across?

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
20. The OP is getting across that it happened at all.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 09:34 PM
Sep 2014

Which, in and of itself, is a bad thing.

I am sorry to inform you that things can happen in the world that will sadden and outrage people who
may elect not to seek your thoughts before they react.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
24. No one needs to seek my feelings on anything.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 09:43 PM
Sep 2014

We are heading full on into another war. It will be expensive. It will cause a lot of death, dismemberment, broken families, famine, etc... In light of that, what does my "meh" have to do with any of that? Nothing. Did they kill anyone when they blew up the buildings? If not, then that is a silver lining in my book.

I don't want to go to war over beheadings, bombings, battles, or lines on a map. Least of all over some blown up buildings.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
25. Why must you be enraged, maybe saddened that history is being destroyed by extremists?
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 09:43 PM
Sep 2014

I think it is up to you to decide how you feel about terrorism.

onenote

(42,767 posts)
37. So if a bunch of racist assholes destroy the pueblo settlements in the SW
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 11:19 PM
Sep 2014

which are probably the oldest structures in North America, simply because they hate Native Americans, you'd say "Meh"? If they destroyed Indian burial grounds, you'd just shrug it off as no biggie, certainly not worthy of your outrage or condemnation?

Lame.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
13. Sheesh ... a false dichotomy?
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 09:18 PM
Sep 2014

It's either lose the ancient, historic sites and save people, or, save ancient, historic sites and lose people?

Typical, fallacious appeal ...

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
16. That doesn't make any sense. Is this just to further piss off the population at large?
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 09:22 PM
Sep 2014

Why are they destroying their own holy sites?

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
17. They are part of a puritanical strain of islam
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 09:27 PM
Sep 2014

They consider churches and mosques, especially those of other strains of islam and other religions, as idolatry. Kind of like the Taliban.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
28. I think they would destroy that if they could
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 09:49 PM
Sep 2014

The Saudi's started to destroy the tomb of the Prophet in Mecca but were stopped by backlash from other Muslims. I suspect ISIS would probably destroy it if they could get away with it.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
30. Amazing really, to have so little regard for the history of the people they supposedly worship
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 09:52 PM
Sep 2014

and or cherish as holy. I question their sincerity to the religion they supposedly place above all else.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
27. And surprise, surprise no one tried to stop these Military Industrial Complex mercinaries
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 09:48 PM
Sep 2014

Why?

Because they are nothing more than death squads and mercenaries funded and trained by the military industrial complex to commit mass genocide against the indigenous people in the middle east and to keep the war machine going.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
36. Are you still peddling your evidence-free conspiracy theory?
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 11:07 PM
Sep 2014

somehow trying to connect the US to these people blowing up cultural heritage sites?

longship

(40,416 posts)
39. Like Hitchens, Dawkins, et al, as an atheist I despise desecration.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 12:32 AM
Sep 2014

The destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas by the Taliban in 2001 is one of the great cultural losses of our age.

Before and after:

Thank you very little religious douche bags.

It invites the question, Why in the fuck is it always religion which wants to destroy culture? The answer is simple, because they get away with it, which invites the question, Why does anybody let them get away with it?

I don't. Hold their feet to the fire.

Religion is, as Hitchens so clearly argued, is at its core poisonous. But like Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris, Dennett, Stenger, Myers, and all the others, we recognize our history and the incredible arts executed in the name of religion. The only way one can be resolute about ones secular argument is to not forget both the great and horrible things done in god's name. And if one is a student of the arts, one despises the destruction (the desecration) of art merely because it portrays a vision of which you do not approve.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
43. Appropo of nothing, it just occurred to me that religion sanctioned
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 10:30 PM
Sep 2014

the creation of these 'works of art', just as religion is (allegedly) sanctioning the destruction of them, as well.

It's an interesting conundrum to consider - how religious organizations have bankrolled the creation of art and the destruction of it, in the West and outside it, in just about every culture on earth.

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