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DU History buffs-How important was General Lafayette to our success in the Revolutionary War? (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 OP
hey we didn't need them up north. Adam051188 Sep 2014 #1
If I remember Mel Gibson's "The Patriot" he was portrayed as a bit of a dandy and superfluous. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #2
ya mel gibson likes roles like the one he took on in that movie. "american jesus", lol. Adam051188 Sep 2014 #3
Not an expert, but I think he was pretty important... Wounded Bear Sep 2014 #4
The biggest problem with empires is the multiple fires you have to put out at the same time Yavin4 Sep 2014 #6
Like us, unfortunately./NT DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #7
Actually, yes... Wounded Bear Sep 2014 #8
I don't think it's amnesia, Bear... Johnyawl Sep 2014 #15
Good point... Wounded Bear Sep 2014 #16
You have that right! Johnyawl Sep 2014 #22
Ahh, we overlapped a bit... Wounded Bear Sep 2014 #23
He was instrumental in the battle between the Patriots and razorman Sep 2014 #5
Probably less important than the French Navy Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #9
The French army and navy were critical to the final American victory at Yorktown. kwassa Sep 2014 #10
And Lafayette delayed Cornwallis while the French & Americans positioned themselves. nt eppur_se_muova Sep 2014 #19
Lafayette brought to the table his wealth... Historic NY Sep 2014 #11
As a guy whose hometown is named after him MFrohike Sep 2014 #12
Von Steubenn was probably more important to the army, but having LaFayette and Kosciuzco... Recursion Sep 2014 #13
Let's not forget Pulaski, who gave his all at Savannah ... eppur_se_muova Sep 2014 #20
Excellent point Recursion Sep 2014 #21
TY for the responses./NT DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #14
Not just key in the Revolutionary War, but also the French Revolution. Rex Sep 2014 #17
Subject of a relatively recent documentary ... eppur_se_muova Sep 2014 #18
The French went broke supporting us and that led to the revolution. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #24

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
2. If I remember Mel Gibson's "The Patriot" he was portrayed as a bit of a dandy and superfluous.
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 11:15 PM
Sep 2014

But that might have been Mel...

 

Adam051188

(711 posts)
3. ya mel gibson likes roles like the one he took on in that movie. "american jesus", lol.
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 11:19 PM
Sep 2014

what i've read is contradictory to how he is portrayed in the film

Wounded Bear

(58,662 posts)
4. Not an expert, but I think he was pretty important...
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 11:23 PM
Sep 2014

The French Army was well respected on the continent at the time, and Monsieur Lafayette didn't come over alone. He brought some troops with him, as well. The Revolution wasn't won by Minutemen hiding behind trees and fences sniping at the Brits. It was won using the tactics and strategy of the age, and having a contingent of first rate troops added immeasurably to the war effort.

The French and British had a long standing rivalry going back hundreds of years (read your Shakespeare , and once the French entered the war, suddenly, the Brits had a global war on their hands. Notably, around the time of our Revolution, a certain Prussian was dominating warfare in Central Europe, endangering many German principalities, one of which was King George's "homeland." You think the idea of the Hessian "mercenaries" came out of the blue?

We Americans focus on our own Revolution, of course, but it wasn't necessarily the most important conflict going on at the time, and in many ways was a bit of a side show on the world stage.

Yavin4

(35,441 posts)
6. The biggest problem with empires is the multiple fires you have to put out at the same time
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 11:26 PM
Sep 2014

After a while, it becomes overwhelming.

Wounded Bear

(58,662 posts)
8. Actually, yes...
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 11:32 PM
Sep 2014

Barbara Tuchman has written some great books paralleling various lessons of history, comparing current or recent events with more 'ancient' history. Santayana was right. Unfortunately, the PTB seem to develop amnesia about history, assuming they ever learned it.

Johnyawl

(3,205 posts)
15. I don't think it's amnesia, Bear...
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 11:08 AM
Sep 2014

...I think it's arrogance. The current PTB always think they're smarter then the previous PTB.

Wounded Bear

(58,662 posts)
16. Good point...
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 11:10 AM
Sep 2014

but we in the lower classes always tend to suffer most for their selective amnesia, arrogance, and ingorance.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
10. The French army and navy were critical to the final American victory at Yorktown.
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 11:36 PM
Sep 2014

The French navy under De Grasse fought a battle with British forces trying to reinforce Cornwallis at Yorktown in Chesapeake Bay, driving them off. Rochambeau had thousands of French soldiers working in tandem with Washington in the siege of Yorktown, including experienced siege engineers.

Cornwallis realized the situation he was in and surrendered.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
11. Lafayette brought to the table his wealth...
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 12:43 AM
Sep 2014

he in many cases purchased arms, uniform and equipment for the troops. He had influence in focusing opinions to the French court. He entered the American conflict well ahead of Frances commitments. He was wounded in battle here in the end he led forces in the final battle at Yorktown that vanquished the British. He had a closeness to Gen. Washington who's sentiments towards him were well known.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
13. Von Steubenn was probably more important to the army, but having LaFayette and Kosciuzco...
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 03:08 AM
Sep 2014

... raised the political profile of the rebellion considerably. It's one of the reasons the Holy Roman Empire and Prussia declared neutrality, which in the context of the revolution was essentially coming down on our side.

eppur_se_muova

(36,266 posts)
18. Subject of a relatively recent documentary ...
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 02:48 PM
Sep 2014
http://www.pbs.org/program/lafayette/

Lafayette was invited to tour the United States to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the country's founding, and toured all twenty-four states, being welcomed as a hero everywhere.

The Wikipedia entry is fascinating reading.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_du_Motier,_Marquis_de_Lafayette
 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
24. The French went broke supporting us and that led to the revolution.
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 03:29 PM
Sep 2014

Lafayette's contribution was small but France saved our asses.

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