I'd have also thrown out the discovery with the search.

Cavity searches should be outlawed for any and every reason. It is just uncivilized.

What really needed to happen in addition to this was each of the INDIVIDUALS responsible should be broke and owe much of all potential future earnings to this man as well. When the officers, DA's, Dr.'s start to resize they can be individually held responsible for their actions and decisions, that's when real change will happen.

If they had waited long enough, the cocaine would have come to them.

Cuz that's what cops do. Kill first, ask questions later.

Coming from these days?

(From one DU old timer to another.)

Maybe it's just someone totally ignorant of the massive number of unwarranted violent police assaults on Americans. But more likely someone paid to harass DUers. Or some stupid Fox/CNN viewer (the only kind they have).

Be doing exactly as the author of "Toxic Sludge is good for you" repeatedly explained they did in his best sellng book.

Or as the succinct Amazon book review stated: Common Courage’s number one seller blows the lid off of today's multi-billion-dollar propaganda-for-hire PR industry, revealing how public relations wizards concoct and spin the news, organize phony "grassroots" front groups, spy on citizens and conspire with lobbyists and politicians

some from the depths of the dungeons of FR I'm sure.

Video Surveillance allowed the truth to come out in this case, one of dozens, even hundreds, where the police used excessive violence without even taking the time to determine what the situation was.

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Surveillance-Video-of-Dallas-Officer-Involved-Shooting-Raises-Questions-228284421.html

The most recent one (I am aware of) from South Carolina. Perhaps you heard the cop was charged after this video was viewed.

http://www.people.com/article/south-carolina-police-officer-shoots-unarmed-suspect-dashcam

This fellow was unlucky. He didn't survive being shot at least sixty times. The Police didn't allow paramedics to attend to the victim for over an hour.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/25/jose-guerena-arizona-_n_867020.html

By the way, the search warrant turned up NOTHING. Despite claims that the victim fired first, now we KNOW he never fired a shot, and his safety was still on. My best guess is he shouted down the hallway that he was armed and the intruders must leave. The Police opened fire blazing down the hallway with automatic weapons. I judge that since they fired some seventy rounds in less than seven seconds.

You may believe her statement is juvenile, but these lists seem to indicate there is a real problem with police killing a lot of people. Far too many for them all to be genuine threats to the officers life. If there was THAT MUCH THREAT there would be a lot more dead cops.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States_2014

So you can put me on the side of the 12 year old sounding Valerie. Because the cops do tend to be shoot first and ask questions later. The one thing I believe she left out is the questions they ask are what routine lies they are going to write to justify the shooting.

(1) he went for my gun, (2) he lunged at me, (3) he reached for his waistband, (4) I thought I saw a weapon, (5) I was in fear for my life--and a couple of other such claims that we are all familiar with, just as we are familiar with the cops chanting in a monotone, "Stop resisting arrest," as they brutally beat an unresisting victim who is often already handcuffed.

We also know that some cops carry untraceable "drop guns" to support their claims that the person had a weapon.

They are taught to use these "Get out of jail free" cards. The simple fact that the same claims are constantly trotted out in the same words is fairly strong evidence that they are widely taught, prefabricated excuses.

Formerly known as the United States of Amrerica.

I guess we spread out our democracy so far - to Vietnam, to Grenada, To Central America, to Iraq, that it is totally worn away here.

fill in the blank for us, please.

and it came back a 3-4. I also opened a thread on Ask the Admins.

If shit like that continues to stand, there is going to be no reason to even bother to post here because the trolls will have taken over. That poster has never contributed anything but borderline trolling to the conversation, but gets a pass. He also has a friend or two, here, and it is frustrating to alert on obvious personal attacks on good DU members only to have them remain.

We have moderation on DU, but we have extremely iffy moderation.

There are safe havens, but being a stubborn Pollack, I tend to venture out where angels fear to tread...when I have the time.

The abuse of the Jury system by these trolls is my biggest concern. Too much of that going on.

Pretty much every even remotely contentious safe-haven has a troll brigade that monitors for anything even remotely alertable and fires it off to juries that aren't members of that group. So your safe haven is a haven only as long as you don't offend the sensibilities of people outside of it.

And really make the definition of moderation broad, we have moderation on DU. It's pretty crappy.

because I love DU, but DU is failing.

a very valid hide because it was personal attack.

Count your blessings.

Strange times we live in.

I will say it is nice to know I've won something today, especially after the pitiful performance the Bears had out on the field this afternoon, so thanks for that at least, takes some of the sting away.

Disprove it if you can.

Fact. When excessive force is discovered, normally by video the police were unaware of, all the reports of the incident match, but do not match the video. There are two explanations for this. The officers involved took time after the event to concoct a plausible story. This would be at a minimum conspiracy, a felony. There are too many such incidents to justify this argument though. Too chancy that one of the notional good cops would refuse to go along. Too risky to use the excessive force, and would not explain the chanting of stop resisting that all the cops say.

Option two. Each officer is trained to lie. This would preclude the need to get the stor straight in detail. It could be managed with a simple he lunged at me. If you lie when describing events where life and limb is lost. You can not be a good cop. You are lying under oath. Perjury is a felony.

The last good cop was Frank Serpico. Interesting isn't it that none of the cops who lie about the incident are ever punished.

Your argument is based on an assumption that you haven't even tried to prove. You can say that when video is available on excessive force claims, the police reports don't match the video. But you have provided exactly zero statistical evidence of this. You can obviously point to instances, but you're relying on a biased source in that the media will more likely to report on things like protests or obviously wrong situations. How often do claims of excessive force dissipate when the video does match and thus never make the news? You don't know that. It would be possible to find out, but that would require a lot of work.

But here's a statistic that works against your theory that there are virtually no good cops. The complaint rate for police excessive use of force was 6.6 per 100 officers. That's the complaint rate, not the rate at which evidence of excessive use of force was found.

The evidence isn't there at this point to support the assumption you start your logical proof with. That isn't to say that you're wrong, but you haven't presented anything to support it.

http://journalistsresource.org/studies/government/criminal-justice/police-reasonable-force-brutality-race-research-review-statistics

It isn't backed up by any logic. Police always say that the force was justified, even when they lose the resulting lawsuit. Let's look at the actual results of tests shall we instead of the propaganda posted.

FACT. Rialto California required police to wear body cameras. Use of force dropped not six percent, but 60%. Complaints about the police dropped a whopping 80%. So why was that? The Chief of police pretends that's because the people were told they were being videotaped. Yeah, that's the ticket. The truth is obvious to anyone with any grey matter between their ears. No longer would stop resisting lies work if the suspect was on the tape obviously not resisting.

Additionally the police will be caught lying on tape. Here is but one example, just one.

Not even close...

is a personal attack. They don't have a place in civilized discussion.

For the record you're right on the money.

Cops act like 12 year old bullies with guns.

I seem to think they are now regretting not shooting him dead.

talk about violating the Hippocratic oath...
disgusting.

Finding this cocaine does not seem to serve society in any positive way. Plus it must have cost the taxpayers a lot of money for this procedure.

I absolutely hate that cop out line. Everyone abusing their authority is "just doing their job". Kidnappers and assassins are just "doing their job". The men stuffing people into gas chambers at extermination camps "were just doing their job".

That should never be an excuse for evil.

so did the guards at Auchwitz

That's how it works.
Responsibility avoidance by bureaucracy.

how you been, Blanche?

And you're constructing a psychopathic system. Maybe that's inherent in large systems necessary for people-management. The more impersonal, the better, for authoritarianism.

I'm good, woke, thanks!
How you doin?

I am suffering from whiplash, though.

Like, really, you were in an accident?

around 1145 PM. I am sitting at a light behind another car. The light changed, and the guy didn't move. I honked, nothing. Then someone slammed into my rear at about 30 MPH. I got out, but he took off (always have the camera ready). I was in my F150, which has a steel bumper and steel bumper brackets. He actually cracked the driver's side bracket. It took a few days, but when the pain came it didn't fool around. Oh, the guy I was behind was passed out drunk with his foot on the brake. The cops finally got him awake.

Damn! wish i could fix it better than just a hug!

I had chased him, but he drove faster than I was willing to. He tripped a redlight camera, though. The cops were unsure as to whether they could gain access to that. Down here, private companies get permission to put them in, shorten the yellow light time, and give the city 30% of the take. It is a scam all around.

Denied a health care claim? Just doing my job. Lost your home? Just doing my job. Poisoned your water supply? just doing my job. Plunged the climate into an irreversible death spiral? Just doing my job.

Well, good job.

shit flows down hill.

Here are some folks who just did their jobs:











Ever read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

As a nurse who worked in corrections for 15+ years I never assisted in helping with drug searches on inmates. That is something nurses are not and should not be asked to do.

They're the best!

from practicing medicine for the rest of his life. Lock them both up!
Are these fuggers crazy?

is needed in order for justice to exist.

The police and the obedient seem very dangerous to me, and they may need to be locked up for our protection. Though I would prefer less drastic measures if possible.

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so I imagine the people the cops brutalized were paid off handsomely enough to sign a gag agreement.