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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf you're not afraid of a terrorist attack by militant Jihadists, you're a fool
the attack could be minor, but the reaction by the government will be batshit insane. And Americans will go along with whatever in the name of security.
villager
(26,001 posts)Exactly.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I never offered my support to a war. You assume too much.
Logical
(22,457 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhiren_Barot
Conspiracy to commit murder.
Conspiracy to commit a public nuisance by the use of radioactive materials, toxic gases, chemicals and or explosives.
Possessing detailed reconnaissance on the Prudential Building in New Jersey.
Possessing detailed reconnaissance of the International Monetary Fund headquarters in Washington, the New York Stock Exchange and Citigroup in New York, and two notebooks with information on explosives.[14]
Barot admitted to plotting to bomb the New York Stock Exchange, the International Monetary Fund headquarters, and the World Bank, among other targets. In April 2007 it was revealed that he planned to use limousines packed with explosives and radioactive "dirty" bombs for the attacks.[15]
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Najibullah_Zazi
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faisal_Shahzad
Logical
(22,457 posts)Talking out their asses.
They keep us worried!
Mass shooters have killed many more than any foreign terrorists in the USA!
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)And, yes, stopping it in the planning stage is why there is stuff like wiretapping.
Logical
(22,457 posts)They love it!
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)They make great headlines and keep people worried!
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)It's just not true that there's a high risk of getting killed by an attack. You're far more likely to be killed by a wide variety of more mundane things than you are to killed by a terrorist attack. Daily Kos puts the odds at about 20,000,000 to 1, while the high probability estimates from libertarian think tanks hover at their highest at about 1,700,000 to 1.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/14/1215687/-Odds-of-Dying-by-Terrorist-Attack-20-000-000-to-1
http://reason.com/archives/2011/09/06/how-scared-of-terrorism-should
There are so many more real things to be worried about. This is a completely unwarranted panic that will do nothing but feed the war machine.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)about I guess that's it. Meanwhile New Yorkers will continue to live our lives while keeping an eye open - just the same way we do when a monster storm is coming, the same way I wear a seatbeat while in a car.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)but I'm assuming someone has already pointed out 9/11 was the second time the WTC was attacked. There are also many targets in New York that would be recognized around the world. I wouldn't say I'm afraid - I go to work every day and take the subway whenever warranted but I am cautious. I can't help but think those who pooh pooh terrorist attacks don't live in a place where they're likely.
Hippo_Tron
(25,453 posts)In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Sometimes it's a bit frustrating and offensive the way people who live in Suburbia, Kansas try telling us who live in America's #1 target how to feel. I watched the 2nd plane smash the towers from my rooftop. The smell of burning human flesh. I lost 2 friends in those towers and 2 more in the wars that followed, plus one who died in 2012 from aggressive cancer after spending 5 months 24/7 down there in the fdny. We've learned to move on and not live in fear, but there's always that day we'll never forget in our heads.
Logical
(22,457 posts)the attack! Great post Cali!! nt
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)The reaction by the government is a separate issue, however. Although, as we've seen on any number of occasions, if the government doesn't have a convenient terrorist attack to crank up the wehrmacht, they'll fabricate or fashion one.
I thought I had monkey-wrenched that little feature of our government back in 2008, but it appears I was quite wrong.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)What did you do? Super glue Herr Obama's sidearm to its holster?
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)jamzrockz
(1,333 posts)in their attempt to wipe out the threat even if said action is likely to worsen the problem and increase hardship for the people being "protected". We will do this because we are not afraid to make the wrong decision or to spend money we do not have. We will act because this is what American does.
Murica, hell yeah!!!
Caretha
(2,737 posts)& welcome to DU
PeteSelman
(1,508 posts)And that I have refused to embrace from the Bush cabal and will continue to refuse when it comes from this group of jokers.
Sadly, I'll be one of the few.
You're absolutely right in how this stupid country would react.
And the home......of the......
H2O Man
(73,592 posts)I just posted an OP saying the same thing!
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)avebury
(10,952 posts)then I will ever be of a terrorist attack. The militarized police departments treat this country more like occupying forces then a force that is supposed to protect and serve. Every week you hear about reports of out of control cop(s) killing/injuring innocent people without incurring the consequences of their action.
cali
(114,904 posts)avebury
(10,952 posts)by the passage of the Patriot Act, warrantless wiretaps, militarization of local police departments, the war on female reproductive rights, war on voting rights, and so on. The shoebomber won because we now have to take our shoes off going through airport screening. The 9-11 Hijackers already won because look at what the TSA and passenger screening has become.
People are foolish beyond belief to allow the authorities to get us to take our eyes off of what is already going on withing our own country when they start running around yelling "The Terrorists are coming, the Terrorists are coming."
DustyJoe
(849 posts)Terrorist islamic jihadists are in few places.
Feral police are EVERYWHERE, city, county, state, federal by the bucket loads, tons of alphabet agencies DHS, FBI, CIA, EPA, DOJ etc endless. Every federal agency (even NOAA weather dept has armed military style police departments and swat teams. DHS that gives me NO sense of my countrys security but seems more interested in poking their nose into citizens business. How many actual terrorists have these entities stopped BEFORE an attack ?. Not many.
I feel confident in a sparsely populated rural area in protecting myself from islamic terrorists, from my own countries security forces parading as citizen protectors and providors of justice, not so much.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)no, americans wont go "batshit insane".
I hope its no one you know.
cali
(114,904 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Christmas Underwear bomber.
Should we not take them seriously????
Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)lets close our eyes to that possibility and
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)than to not avenge the death of a few. makes PERFECT sense to defense contractors.
Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)or someone you know... then it gets a little complicated.
Caretha
(2,737 posts)damn their children! A few assholes do some stuff...them fucking civilians/children are gonna pay by gawd!
DeadLetterOffice
(1,352 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)A 14-year-old Muslim pupil at De Spindel High School in Hengelo prepared a short film in which he expresses his sympathy for ISIS and threatens to behead Jews. The pupil has been suspended. The matter has since gone public and the parliamentarians Van Klaveren and Bontes, of the VN party, have put forward questions to the Minister of Security and Justice regarding this issue. They want to know what measures may be taken against the pupil and what will be done to fight the growing anti-Semitism among Muslim students.
http://tundratabloids.com/2014/09/netherlands-14-yr-old-muslim-boy-threatens-to-behead-jews.html
ignore it.
GeorgeGist
(25,322 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)The chance of any individual in the U.S. being attacked, of course, is quite small. A chance of the U.S. being attacked is significantly greater.
That there hasn't been an attack since 9-11 suggests the gov't is doing a good job staving off attacks, imho.
world wide wally
(21,754 posts)in a terrorist attack
Louisiana1976
(3,962 posts)IronLionZion
(45,514 posts)people panicking and agreeing to completely unreasonable policies out of irrational fear? Is there any chance that our government might ramp up the drumbeats for greater defense spending, no bid contracts, neglect the VA hospital system, let soldiers die senselessly, ignore most domestic issues, and allow punching of hippies as a therapeutic measure?
world wide wally
(21,754 posts)FlatStanley
(327 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Attack. The military in Ft Hood probably thought they were safe on the base but were attacked. You can laugh all day long but terrorist attacks are happening. They may be small but the Boston Bombers was a terrorist attack. The Oklahoma City bomb was a terrorist attack. If it isn't happening to you or your loved ones be happy, that could change tomorrow.
Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)I agree with you.
Logical
(22,457 posts)attacks? Bus bombs? Opening fire in a mall?
Where are the terrorists?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Would you at least admit that those that live in NYC or LA or Vegas (I pick those cities because they have targets that would be known around the world) have a higher chance of seeing a terror attack than those who live in say Kansas or Nebraska? You want to pretend it could never happen (again), knock yourself out but those of us in places that have already been proven to be targets cannot be so cavalier without looking like morons.
IronLionZion
(45,514 posts)They are everywhere. You don't know who they are or what they look like or what they'll do to you. People kill each other all the time.
840high
(17,196 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)So now we go bomb another country whenever a domestic rwnj goes on a rampage?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)fired, I don't think we can over look the possibility of American citizens returning to the US who have been trained by ISIS who would not attack in some form. Do you know where these citizens are training? Oh, yes, the training sites are being bombed. I don't know if you can claim the Ft Hood shooter was a rwnj, he was tied with some of the terrorist groups by internet. He was also serving in our military.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)They don't need to go anywhere.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)With or without the internet, there have always been sadistic fuckers in this world who want to harm others in the most unimaginable (or so we thought) ways.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)What do you want the US government to do, start bombing mosques in America? Don't be ridiculous.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)the terror is not a part of Islam. I don't have a problem with Islam, I have a problem with radicals.
avebury
(10,952 posts)might be shot/strangled/tazed/killed by a police officer then be the victim of a terrorist attack in the US.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/14/police-killings-data/14060357/
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/08/police-shootings-michael-brown-ferguson-black-men
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/09/08/how-many-police-shootings-a-year-no-one-knows/
http://jimfishertruecrime.blogspot.com/2012/01/police-involved-shootings-2011-annual.html
http://www.denverpost.com/timtebow/ci_26625153/cu-boulder-police-use-taser-shoplifting-suspect-say
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2014/09/portland_jury_awards_to_man_be.html
http://jobs.aol.com/videos/what-its-like/must-see-police-use-taser-on-pregnant-woman/517734827/
http://www.mintpressnews.com/cop-slams-pregnant-woman-to-the-ground-and-uses-taser-on-her-belly/196929/
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95475
Man Dies in Police Raid on Wrong House
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/staten-island-man-dies-puts-choke-hold-article-1.1871486
http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/25/horror-cops-tackle-beat-pepper-spray-pin-suffocate-kill-innocent-man/
http://www.policestateusa.com/2013/police-kill-80-year-old-man-in-his-bed-after-claiming-his-house-smelled-like-meth/
http://www.innocentdown.org/
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/lapd-accused-shooting-man-special-complying-orders-article-1.1902035
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cop-wrong-address-killed-innocent-man-charged/
Family Wins Record $10 Million Dollars When Cop Slams Innocent Man Causing Coma!
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.copblock.org%2F4308%2Fcop-who-paralyzed-man-for-life-continues-to-be-violent%2F&ei=h-oqVO6sNJOzyASS8YKwBg&usg=AFQjCNEUeVQQyA0Pb4LYXi15A0BNOAAdag&sig2=A9Vcbw-isWcme0_fWvezHA
Police Brutality Leaves Man Mentally Disabled
Cop Tackles The Wrong Guy And Leaves Him Paralyzed!
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/09/us/south-dakota-taser-lawsuit/index.html
Using a Taser on an 8-year-old? Mom sues police, city
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-berates-cops-dog-shot-dead-fenced-in-backyard-article-1.1845699
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)radical group, many died because of his actions. We are supposed to be a part of a civilized nation.
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)According to the FBI and the Department of Justice. By your logic every time someone commits an act of workplace violence its a terrorist attack. Wrong.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)philosslayer
(3,076 posts)And they haven't characterized it as a terrorist attack.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)grandmother had been trying to convert his co workers to Islam, he was terminated and came back to behead this grandmother, this is terrorism in my book.
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)Lets say he had been trying to convert his co workers to Christianity. Or Buddhism. Or was a Jehovah's Witness. Then for some reason lost his job, came back, and shot the grandmother. Would THAT be terrorism?
There was a guy who lost his job at a UPS facility a few weeks ago, and came back and shot a few people. Is THAT terrorism?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)ter·ror·ism (tr-rzm)
n.
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
Threatening those attempting to enter an abortion clinic is terrorism.
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)What I described were individual actions against individuals. There is no indication whatsoever that there was an attempt to coerce societies or governments. So your definition underscores my point. Workplace violence. Not terrorism.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)would feel terror, maybe you don't I can speak for myself, If someone was holding a knife to my throat, I would feel terror, if I was being attacked by another I would feel terror, if I went to work in a building and someone or something blew the building up, I would feel terror.
Why did you leave out this portion of the definition
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property
So you think a person can be intimidated?
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)Any action where someone feels "terror" is terrorism. Chasing a woman down the street would be terrorism. Jumping out and scaring a little kid would be terrorism. In fact, virtually any violent crime would be terrorism, since during the commission of any violent crime, someone is very very scared. Sorry, they aren't the same thing.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)others, yes it is terrorism. I will continue with my opinion.
ohnoyoudidnt
(1,858 posts)about and attack and over reaction
rustydog
(9,186 posts)Abortion clinic bombings? Abortion provider murders?
It doesn't have to be Muslim fundamentalists, it is red-blooded Amurikans who've been killing and will continue to kill.
ISIS isn't as big a threat as people in your own town today.
But the news media wants you to be very afraid. Watch what the Republican campaigning will be:
Reminiscent of the Bush campaigns: Republicans are tough on terror, Democrat party, not so much...Be very AFRAID, we need the terror color code again! It worked great when we used it just before elections!
n2doc
(47,953 posts)Instead of trying to calm our fears, they stoke them, so that if anything does happen people will think it is the end of civilization.
salib
(2,116 posts)First it was that we need to go to war (give me your billions or...) otherwise there will be an attack on the country. Now that it has proved to not be enough for some (we are not really buying much of any of this type of stuff if we can help it), now we are threatened with what would happen for any size attack (give me this millions asshole or just imagine what you, your neighbors your Govt will do to you if anything even minor happens).
I seem to recall that tHe thing to fear is fear itself. Are you saying in the OP that we are supposed to fear ourselves and each other in our reaction?
People, you are being played, and in no way to your advantage.
Again, we should take this money and solve some of our own problems and share some of that wealth around the world. Enough of this bogeyman blackmail.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)that scares the hell out of me.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)larkrake
(1,674 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)types terrorists, because they were/are.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Terra Alta
(5,158 posts)I'm more afraid of what could happen if Republicans win the White House and Congress in 2016. That is more likely to happen than any terrorist attack.
bvf
(6,604 posts)But, to the extent that there is always another Gulf of Tonkin right around the corner, I'll spend as much time worrying about getting hit by a bus or getting struck by lightning.
We live among enough fools to know what the reaction would be to even the flimsiest hint of such a thing.
Coming up: Patriot Act II, with full public support.
IronLionZion
(45,514 posts)Then what?
That's a serious question.
This is semi-serious: what if they wreck our economy and infrastructure and destroy the lives of millions of Americans through financial means?
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)Terrorists don't have to do that, because our own government is doing that to us quite efficiently already.
IronLionZion
(45,514 posts)and we can easily devolve into lunacy as certain elements of our population tend to do. Its harder to blame foreigners for some of our domestic issues.
As a country we still haven't agreed to call mass shootings as terrorism for some reason. And many still haven't recovered from the economic terrorism on wall st and the subprime mortgage crisis.
niyad
(113,527 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)at the hands of Al Queda, who are rank amateurs by comparison. Al Queda never took large amounts of territory, and held it. Al Queda was never as brutal or lethal as ISIS. Al Queda never had the military prowess of ISIS.
This is not about a few beheaded Westerners. This is about the potential for terrorism like we've never seen it before. It is about thousands of murdered Iraqis and Syrians, who have already died, and many thousands more than will die in a bloodbath if we don't step in. It is about entire ethnic groups destroyed in that part of the world.
It is about a government that we are responsible for creating that has completely failed.
Logical
(22,457 posts)terrorists? Where? They ARE NOT here.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Either that, or ....
I don't wish to speculate.
The genius of Al Queda is that they were innovators. They created totally new methods of terrorism that could work exactly once, at which point counter methods would prevent a replay. That does not mean that new and innovative terrorism could not be created.
ISIS has shown an ability to attract potential recruits from Muslim believers in Western nations. Those Muslims can return and be completely invisible in their home cultures, making them perfect terrorists..
840high
(17,196 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)WHERE ARE THE TERROR ATTACKS?
A car bomb. Train derailing? Opening fire weekly into a NFL crowd? Sandy Hook a month?
10 terrorists shooting up a sporting event weekly would terrorize this country.
A Boston type pressure bomb in an crowded waiting line in a major airport monthly?
There are no one here willing to do it. Where are they?
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Here is a three-year old article on the subject.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/09/08/9-11-anniversary-45-terror-plots-foiled-in-last-10-years.html
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09.08.11
Forty-Five Foiled Terror Plots Since 9/11
As counterterrorism officials investigate a new 'credible' terror threat, records show there have been at least 45 jihadist terrorist-attack plots against Americans since 9/11thwarted by intelligence work, policing, and citizen involvement. John Avlon reports.
As news of a new credible threat swept across the nation on the 10th anniversary of 9/11, Americans were abruptly reminded that terrorism is always one bad day away from being issue No. 1.
In the latest case, one report said at least three peopleone believed to be a U.S. citizenentered the U.S. in August to plan a car-bomb attack against Washington, D.C., or New York. The suspected terrorists are thought to have come from Afghanistan or Pakistan, and at least two rental trucks are being sought nationwide. White House officials confirmed that President Obama had been briefed on the "specific" terrorism threat.
Too often, 10 years after the worst terrorist attacks in our nations history, we sometimes fall into a false sense of security as a degree of 9/11 amnesia takes hold; a desire to recast the attacks as a tragic isolated incident.
The facts tell a very different story. The record shows that there have been at least 45 jihadist terrorist attacks plotted against Americans since 9/11each of them thwarted by a combination of intelligence work, policing and citizen participation.
And these are just the plotted attacks that we know about through public documentationthe real number of credible plots is no doubt much higher. No truly authoritative list exists because of the preponderance of classified information, although organizations such as the Heritage Foundation have published detailed lists in the past. An additional problem in coming up with a comprehensive list lies in consistently defining the parameters of thwarted attacks. The plots also are of varying degrees of seriousness, from some that were days from causing mass bloodshed to others that were twisted ambitions caught well before fruition.
The list published below comes as close as I could, using public sources and past listsand it was reviewed by both government and academic organizations that track terrorist attacks.
Since 9/11, there have been devastating terror attacks in cities like London and Madrid. But America has so far batted 1,000 against the constant stream of civilian-targeted terror threats, though trends show the types of plots are changing to an increase of military targets (think the deadly shooting spree at Fort Hood by Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hassan) and Americans training overseas for the purpose of terrorism.
Professor Erik Dahl of the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, Calif., and the START program at the University of Maryland has compiled the most detailed list of attempted terrorists attacks to date, spanning a period of 25 years, in his paper The Plots That Failed: Intelligence Lessons Learned From Unsuccessful Terrorist Attacks Against the United States, recently published in the academic journal Studies in Conflict and Terrorism.
Everyone in American national security is amazed that we havent had another 9/11 within America since 9/11. A lot of credit has to go to both the Bush and now the Obama administrations for keeping the country a lot safer than anybody expected. Thats the good news, Dahl tells me. But the bad news is that we do see this continuing, steady drumbeat of smaller-scale plots and attempted terrorist attacks. So the threat is definitely not gone.
And what does Dahl believe has most accounted for the extraordinary Homeland Security record of success to date? When it comes to domestic attacks and securing the homeland, what works is really good, old-fashioned policinglaw enforcement, tips from the public, police informantsand not so much spies overseas or satellites run by three-letter government agencies.
Interestingly, while compiling his list, Dahl found that about 75 percent of the plots are associated with radical Islamists and about 25 percent are from right-wing domestic, anti-government militia movements. But for the purposes of marking the 9/11 anniversary, this list focuses solely on the Islamist terrorist plots against Americans at home or on military bases outside war zones overseas.
An additional point of consideration is the cooperation that Muslim Americans have given to police that has helped stop many terrorist plots to date. Local law enforcement and FBI officials have very good relations with the mainstream Muslim communities in various parts of America, attests Dahl.
In the absence of another major terrorist attack on U.S. soil, it can be too easy to ignore the heroic efforts that have saved countless American lives over the past decade we have been at war.
It can also be easy to ignore the trends that have emerged, even after the welcome death of Osama bin Laden and the Obama administrations successful escalation against al Qaeda. Were seeing more of an effort to attack U.S. military targets within the U.S., such as the Fort Hood shooting, Dahl says. These domestic lone-wolf attacks are not likely to be able to cause the amount of damage that a carefully planned and executed international plot, such as an al Qaeda plot, can do. But they can kill a lot of people.
We now know that Osama bin Laden had long hoped for a 10th anniversary attack; and the threat of a lone wolf attack may be at the heart of this latest credible threat officials are investigating. But Americas first line of defense will be especially vigilant on this anniversary of the day when Islamist terrorists declared war on the U.S.
Looking to the future, Dahl sees a need to remain focused on the threats we face, while working to achieve the right balance between reporting on things, the see something-say something approach on the one hand, and respecting civil liberties and the rights of individuals to go about their daily lives. We still havent figured out just where that balance is in America. But in our democratic republics response to 9/11 and subsequent civic debates we come ever closer to finding the right balance.
The bad news is that we see this continuing, steady drumbeat of smaller-scale plots and attempted terrorist attacks.
After the attacks of 9/11, we swore that we would never forget. And so, among the memorials on this 10th anniversary that honors the victims and heroes we lost, it is also appropriate to remind ourselves of the need to remain vigilant. We honor the dead from that day by resolving to do all we can to stop future 9/11s.
First responders have a saying: Hope for the best; prepare for the worst. The civic resilience of the United States in the wake of the attacks of 9/11 is a testament to the power that free people have to overcome the forces of fear. We have been both lucky and good, andas this rogues gallery of foiled terrorist plots reminds uswe all owe the broader counterterrorism community our thanks. America is the land of the free because we are the home of the brave.
1. Richard Reid
December 2001
Shoe bomber.
2. Library Tower Plot
February 2002
Plot to attempt a second 9/11-style aerial attack to topple the tallest building in Los Angeles.
3. José Padilla
May 2002
Accused of meeting with Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in a dirty bomb plot. Sentenced to 17 years in 2008.
4. Earnest James Ujaama
July 2002
Seattle-based terror cell plotted to support the Taliban.
5. U.S. Forces in Germany
September 2002
A man and a woman of Turkish heritagethe man born in Germanyare arrested for plotting to blow up U.S. Army headquarters in Germany.
6. Lackawanna Cell
September 2002
Six Yemeni-Americans are accused of conspiring to help al Qaeda and plead guilty.
7. Oregon Taliban plot
October 2002
Seven Oregonians arrested in plot to join the Taliban and wage war against the United States.
8. Al Qaeda Gas Attack Plot on NYC Subways
Spring 2003
Reported by Ron Suskind in The One Percent Doctrine.
9. Iyman Farris
May 2003
Plot to destroy the Brooklyn Bridge.
10. Virginia Jihad Network
June 2003
Virginia group trained for apparent urban warfare missions, including training in Afghanistan.
11. Nuradin M. Abdi
November 2003
Plotted to bomb a Columbus, Ohio, shopping mall.
12. Dhiren Barot
August 2004
Plotted to bomb locations in New York, Newark, and Washington.
13. James Elshafay and Shahawar Matin Siraj
August 2004
Plotted to bomb train station near Madison Square Garden in bid to disrupt the Republican National Convention.
14. Levar Haley Washington, Gregory Vernon Patterson, Hammad Riaz Samana, and Kevin James
August 2005
Arrested for conspiring to attack National Guard facilities and synagogues around Los Angeles.
15. Mohammad Zaki Amawi, Marwan Othman El-Hindi, and Zand Wassim Mazlou
February 2006
Convicted in 2008 (PDF) of conspiring to commit terrorism against Americans overseas.
16. Syed Haris Ahmed and Ehsanul Islam Sadequee
April 2006
Gathered surveillance and met with other terrorists about targets in Washington, D.C.
17. Narseal Batiste, Patrick Abraham, Stanley Grant Phanor, Naudimar Herrera, Burson Augustin, Lyglenson Lemorin, and Rotschild Augustine
June 2006
Plotted to blow up Sears Tower.
18. Assem Hammoud
July 2006
Plotted to attack PATH trains between New York and New Jersey.
19. Jetliner bombing plot
August 2006
Twenty-four suspects arrested for plotting to blow up 10 U.S. jetliners with liquid explosives. This plot led to the regulation of liquids on planes.
20. Houston Taliban
November 2006
Kobie Diallo Williams and four other men are charged with conspiring to support the Taliban after training in Texas.
21. Derrick Shareef
December 2006
Planned to set off grenades at a shopping mall near Chicago.
22. Fort Dix Plot
May 2007
The Fort Dix Six plotted to attack Fort Dix in New Jersey.
23. JFK Airport
June 2007
Four men plotted to blow up fuel tanks and pipelines at JFK Airport in New York.
24. Ramstein Air Base, Germany
September 2007
German converts to Islam, plotting under the cover of the Islamic Jihad Union, are found to have explosives and plan to target one of the largest U.S. air bases in Europe.
25. Columbus, Ohio
June 2008
Christopher Paul aka Abdul Malek, aka Paul Kenyatta Laws
Pleaded guilty to conspiring with others to blow up targets in the U.S. and Europe.
26. NYC Subway Bombing
Sept. 14, 2009
Najibullah Zazi and three other men are caught days before they detonate explosives in the New York City subway.
27. Long Island Rail Road Threat
November 2008
American Bryant Neal Vinas gives al Qaeda leaders information to attack the LIRR.
28. Springfield, Illinois Courthouse Bomb Plot
Sept. 24, 2009
Michael Finton
Arrested in plot to detonate a vehicle bomb outside a courthouse and kill federal employees.
29. Dallas Tower Plot
Sept. 24, 2009
Hosam Maher Husein Smadi
A Jordanian man is arrested in connection with a plot to bomb at a skyscraper in Dallas.
30. Quantico, VA
Sept. 24, 2009
Daniel Patrick Boyd
A group of men are charged in plot to attack the Marine Corps base in Quantico.
31. Boston
October 2009
Tarek Mehanna and Ahmad Abousamra
Two men are arrested on wide-ranging charges, including conspiracy to kill U.S. politicians, spanning the past decade.
32. Northern Virginia
December 2009
Five men from northern Virginia are arrested in Pakistan and charged with supporting al Qaeda. Were reported missing by their families.
33. Detroit Airspace
Christmas Day Bomber, 2009
A man tries to detonate an explosive on a flight over Detroit. Also known as the underwear bomber.
34. Chicago
March 2010
Raja Lahrasib Khan
Man is arrested for funneling money (PDF) to terrorist organizations.
35. Times Square, New York City
May 1, 2010
Faisal Shahzad
Failed attempt to detonate a vehicle bomb in Times Square.
36. King Salmon, Alaska
July/August, 2010
Paul G. Rockwood, Jr. and Nadia Piroska Maria Rockwood
A husband and wife compile a list of 20 targets to murder, including military and media figures, arrested as they were set to move into the operational phase.
37. Wrigley Field, Chicago
Sept. 20, 2010
A man is arrested after planting a fake bomb outside Wrigley Field.
38. Air-Cargo Bomb Yemen to Chicago
October 2010
Twin packages of explosives were shipped from Yemen to synagogues in Chicago.
39. Washington, D.C.
October 2010
Farooque Ahmed
Ahmed is arrested in connection with a plot to blow up the D.C. Metro.
40. Portland, Oregon
Nov. 26, 2010
Mohamed Osman Mohamud
A Christmas-tree lighting is targeted by a 19-year-old Somali man, Mohamed Osman Mohamud, busted in an FBI sting operation.
41. Catonsville, Md.
Dec. 8, 2010
Antonio Martinez
Man arrested for plotting to blow up a U.S. Army recruiting center.
42. Lubbock, Texas/National
Feb. 23, 2011
Khalid Ali-M Aldawsari
Man arrested in bomb plot against military and political targets, including former President George W. Bush, in New York, Colorado, and California.
43. New York City
May 11, 2011
Ahmed Ferhani and Mohamed Mamdouh
Two men arrested in plot to attack a Manhattan synagogue.
44. Seattle, Wash.
June 22, 2011 (arrest date)
Abu Khalid Abdul-Latif, aka Joseph Anthony Davis, and Walli Mujahidh
Two men are arrested in a plot to attack a military recruiting station in Seattle.
45. Fort Hood, Texas
July 27, 2011 (arrest date)
Pfc. Naser Jason Abdo
A former army private is arrested in a plot to copycat attack at Fort Hood.
They've done well in Europe in the time since 9/11
November, 2003 The first major strike after 9/11 occurs in the Turkish city of Istanbul. Four truck bombs were explode on the 15th and 20th, the first two at synagogues and the others at the British Consulate and HSBCs headquarters in Turkey. The total death toll is 57 people and 700 wounded. Directly linked to al-Qaeda, some of the 74 people charged by the Turkish authorities had met with Osama bin Laden, asking for al-Qaedas blessing help.
March 11, 2004 A similar, more deadly tragedy hits Madrid in Spain. A series of near-simultaneous explosions tear through trains carrying morning commuters in Madrid. Killing 191 people and injuring 1,800, the bombings are the worst terrorist attack to have hit Europe. The perpetrators claimed they were inspired by the work of al-Qaeda.
July 7, 2005 Britain is also scarred by a major terrorist attack upon its soil. Four suicide bombers, three of them born in West Yorkshire, carry out a devastating strike on three London Underground trains and a double-decker bus in central London. The lives of 56 people are snatched away, and nearly 700 people are wounded. Two weeks later four other bombings are attempted, again targeting Londons public transport system. Fortunately, the detonators fail to ignite the explosives and there are no casualties.
August, 2006 British police foil a terrorist plot to explode at least ten trans-Atlantic aeroplanes carrying passengers to North America. Three men are later found guilty of conspiracy to murder and sentenced to life imprisonment. The arrest and conviction took more than a year of surveillance by hundreds of MI5 and police officers, and the frustrated attack was directly linked to al-Qaeda.
June 29, 2007 Britains police forces again successfully thwart a planned terrorist bombing, when two cars carrying bombs are discovered and the explosives disabled.
June 30, 2007 - Two men drive a car loaded with propane canisters into the terminal of Glasgow International Airport and set it ablaze. Apprehended by authorities, the only fatality is one of the perpetrators, killed by his severe burns. The incidents in London and Glasgow were carried out by the same men.
September, 2010 Authorities announce they have uncovered and managed to thwart another al-Qaeda threat to the UK, France and Germany, which aimed to co-ordinate attacks upon the countries.
March, 2012 In the Toulouse region of France, a jihadist gunman shoots dead three soldiers and severely injures another before making his getaway on a scooter. On March 20, he opens fire on adults and children gathered outside a Jewish school in Toulouse, killing Rabbi Jonathan Sandler, his sons Arieh, 5, and Gabriel, 4, and seven-year-old Miriam Monsonego.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/9157929/Al-Qaeda-attacks-in-Europe-since-September-11.html
Logical
(22,457 posts)Not believe all of the news releases. If you do fine!
F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)I'm still not convinced that the Portland Tree Bomber case wasn't entrapment.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)Said that liberals were destroying the country.
I think he killed two people and wounded a few others before they tackled him and stopped him.
That's domestic terrorism. And yet the Tea Party folks get mad when the Southern Poverty Law Center and the FBI investigate their terroristic threats and calls for secession.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)the only targets NY has to worry about. It's not like someone could plant a bomb or something else that could kill dozens or hundreds during a marathon or something. HOw about in the middle of Rockefeller Center when there are thousands gaping at a Christmas Tree - or any sporting event at Madison Square Garden or on a crowded rush hour subway. Because terrorists ONLY use airplanes and ONLY had two buildings to target in NY. Right?
kwassa
(23,340 posts)The truck bomb in the garage.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)It must be that the only ones who pooh pooh any concern about terrorism live in a place it's unlikely to happen. It's not like we all freaked out and changed our lives but we are more cautious and don't ignore the FACT that there are those who wish to cause chaos and fear. I mostly ignore them and chalk it up to them not living anywhere near anything that could be a target.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Is that the one you're referring to?
Hippo_Tron
(25,453 posts)If we reacted to terrorism based on the actual damage it does, rather than the psychological damage, nobody would ever bother with it because it wouldn't be effective.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)or poison an urban water supply.
Basing your response on what has happened versus what could happen is stupidity.
3,000 dead in one incident is pretty deadly.
Hippo_Tron
(25,453 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)But I don't, and I find your response, frankly, in my personal opinion, stupid.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)Tell me about it.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)behind the event that kicked off this era of fighting wars of choice, wasting trillions and giving away our freedoms and yet we are doing the same thing all over again.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,586 posts)How much more batshit insane can we get then invading another country and throwing hundreds of 'suspected' terrorists into jail where they remain, uncharged and untried 10 years later?
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)I'm less likely to be killed by terrorists than by a falling telivision set. So are you.
Perspective. It's useful.
Boom, science. World peace one statistic at a time.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)Last edited Tue Sep 30, 2014, 01:17 PM - Edit history (1)
being so jumpy, cowering all of the time, and being way too willing to give up basic rights.
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)Well, not really, no matter what the Mama's and Poppa's wrote. There are lots of wonderful things in the City but me and my family can't be counted among them anymore. I spent most of my life in NYS and forty years or so in NYC but enough is enough. I helped build the WTC and I worked on the rubble when it came down. I'm happy to mention to people that the worst terrorist attack in American history took place during the George Bush administration, despite them having many warnings OBL really, really wanted to attack the USA. That being said, there is really no reason to be afraid of another terror attack in NYC as opposed to ANY other place in this nation. Look what one guy supposedly just did in Chicago.
So, yeah, its foolish not to be concerned about terrorism in the USA ( I absolutely refuse to refer to this nation as the "homeland", like we were a bunch of Nazis or something ) but the only way to be confident "it won't happen here" is by not being "there". This nation is widely vulnerable and there is really no way to change that. Think about what people are saying by shopping in the Mall of America (in Minnesota ?). I was there about two months after 9/11 and it was crowded with Xmas shoppers. What a perfect place for terrorism. Still is. Should we stop shopping, stop our lives, stop sending our kids to school?
More kids have been killed by lone wolf psychos since 9/11 than by Al Quida or ISIS. We haven't been willing to accept the need to limit access to guns in the face of Columbine and the rest. How can we ever think we can be safe from terrorism from overseas? Still, if you want to live in a major American city you just have to shrug your shoulders and take the risk.
Me, I find Taos just fine.
So, yeah, be concerned about ISIS or whatever but keep this in mind: when I was a young boy I was afraid that Godzilla was going to come get me. Later on I realized that since I was living in NYC at the time the odds were I wasn't going to get squashed by a 90 meter lizard. Today our government would have us believe Godzilla is right around the corner. It ain't so.
The real danger is how far the Lindsey Grahams and John McCain's are willing to go to keep us safe, and what it will cost us if we let them get away with it.
Just my point of view, of course. I could be wrong.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)We can't live on our knees. How free will we be if all we do is stay super paranoid and fail to live our lives? Not very.
Scared people are the easiest people to control I'm sure the plans are already in motion look for the The patriot act X 3, 8000 thousand pages all your right suspended effective immediately.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)fear of reaction than fear of Jihadists.
It's definitely a clear and present danger.
bobclark86
(1,415 posts)Live in the middle of nowhere and rarely fly.
(Minute 1:10 is the start, but 1:40 is what is calling me)
Tell you the truth, I'm far more afraid of a RWNJ shooting up a police station. Or somebody escaping prison and shooting when he's surrounded. Because those things actually happen here.
cali
(114,904 posts)lots of people comment on ops they haven't read.
bobclark86
(1,415 posts)I yawned. You noticed the bit when I said I don't fly, right (you know, the only place the majority of Americans noticed anything after 9/11)? Oh, wait. I don't think you read it...
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Where's that? Well ...we're gonna kill em over there before they kill us over here = Bush or Obama ...what's the difference. Mean while texting drivers are killing us all ...and cut backs on SNAP to fund the bombs will cause more children to go hungry. Threat? Well that certainly is subjective to ones experience in everyday life.
JEB
(4,748 posts)We are easily baited into wasting our resources and making lots more enemies. Bingo, terrorism works.
mnhtnbb
(31,401 posts)abakan
(1,819 posts)While you are spending your time scared that the governments latest bogie man will come and get you, you could be living your life. Enjoying your family and making sure they are happy. Life was what we were given, immortality was never part of the bargain.
Those who're not busy living, are busy dying. Bob Dylan
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Actually, being killed by a poison mushroom is probably far more likely than being beheaded by a Jihadist.
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)only listen to sound bites and cape themsselves with the fear propaganda. What an opportunity for the gov't. in all of this: potential "attacks" and ebola....whatever...hang on, I see more civil liberties evaporating. imho
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)I am not going along with shit.
dflprincess
(28,082 posts)surely all the time I spent under my desk in elementary school wasn't for nothing. I just don't have time to worry about any new "could happens".