a famous environmnetal guy today with one of his callers who believes there's no hope now. Its too late. TH the eternal optimist disagrees with him of course. I cant remember the guys name now.
We really need to mobilize the country and world like we did for WW2 to attack and defeat CC.

Charlie Rose has always aligned himself with the power people. On NPR some programs like "Air Talk" with Larry Mantle in Los Angeles, who often has CATO spokespeople on, is discussing Climate Change quite differently this past week. He seems to have changed as business is sticking its neck out (i.e. Google, Facebook, The Rockefeller Family).

http://www.charlierose.com/watch/60452044

http://www.npr.org/tags/125938077/climate-change

It takes big power to bring the discussion forward so that the average American can be un-brainwashed.

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Unless the planet itself blows itself out of orbit, there will be survivors. They are positioning themselves for wealth on a level never seen before on the planet. They have built floating cities, with all amenities and infrequent visits to safe ports to get supplies. They'll enjoy the sight of billions dying.

But that's one scenario I see them trying to enact, but there is no proof that we will get to that point. TEOTWAWKI is indeed upon us; but it's not the end of the world or all life that dwells upon it.

Unless the violence of their vision includes a mass exodus, the WE part of the fear is not going to happen. Now for you and me, yes, it could be. But them, no.

The GOP have been busy feathering their personal nests in every way possible. It's not just the pathology of greed; they do follow the trends of climate and the effects of overpopulation of resource depletion.

Sorry, TMN, but I can outgloom you with little effort. I just think about more evil than you do. But I respect your views posted here. always, as a wake up call. I hope that you are doing better, friend.

And, as noted above in other posts, it may simply be that they know full well, and don't care.

They're too busy pretending that they'll build sea walls using bricks of $100 bills, and will come out of the crash as the Earl of Connecticut, or the Duke of Fresno, with what's left of "us" plowing and planting and picking for them.

They won't, of course, but they're too stupid to understand that.

Most often, that climate change can't be proven beyond any doubt at all to be caused at least entirely by human beings, therefore we can't assume people have anything to do with it, and therefore we have no reason to change our behavior, and anyone who says we should change our behavior is saying that for political reasons and without any scientific reason at all.

It is such head-in-the-sand behavior that it's hard to respond to.

Conservatives have this inate, knee-jerk opposition to anything that liberals like or promote. If breathing oxygen was portrayed as a liberal cause by the media, conservatives would suffocate.

Beyond that, there is a tremendous amount of denial. The FUD sponsored by the polluting industries sways a lot of people. It's the exact same, and uses many of the same arguments, as the tobacco industry's fight against smoking legislation (and I say that as someone who quit with an ecig five months ago). The constant muddying of the issue by the megacorporations and the media they own convinces a lot of people, even intelligent people. In fact, it may be that intelligent people are easier to convince because they see themselves as better than the common herd (and I say that as a man with a 152 IQ and member of MENSA) and so, can be convinced that they're better than the "sheeple" because they know the truth (similar to the attraction of fundamentalism).