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Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 02:43 AM Oct 2014

Why Ebola is very unlikely to go airborne

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'We've never seen a human virus change the way it is transmitted'
But why are experts so confident Ebola won't become airborne? It's worth reading this long post by Vincent Racaniello, a virologist at the College of Physicians and Surgeons at Columbia University.

He goes into detail about how viruses mutate, but here's his bottom line: "We have been studying viruses for over 100 years, and we've never seen a human virus change the way it is transmitted":

When it comes to viruses, it is always difficult to predict what they can or cannot do. It is instructive, however, to see what viruses have done in the past, and use that information to guide our thinking. Therefore we can ask: has any human virus ever changed its mode of transmission?

The answer is no. We have been studying viruses for over 100 years, and we've never seen a human virus change the way it is transmitted.

HIV-1 has infected millions of humans since the early 1900s. It is still transmitted among humans by introduction of the virus into the body by sex, contaminated needles, or during childbirth.

Hepatitis C virus has infected millions of humans since its discovery in the 1980s. It is still transmitted among humans by introduction of the virus into the body by contaminated needles, blood, and during birth.

There is no reason to believe that Ebola virus is any different from any of the viruses that infect humans and have not changed the way that they are spread.

I am fully aware that we can never rule out what a virus might or might not do. But the likelihood that Ebola virus will go airborne is so remote that we should not use it to frighten people. We need to focus on stopping the epidemic, which in itself is a huge job.


This jibes with what Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told the Senate in mid-September: "Very, very rarely does [a virus] completely change the way it's transmitted."

Fauci noted that viruses do mutate a lot, in ways that might make the disease more virulent or a little bit more efficient at spreading. That's why researchers are currently trying to monitor the mutations. But with all the dire things to worry about with Ebola, he said, the prospect of the disease going airborne is not "something I would put at the very top of the radar screen."

Further reading: For more on the science of Ebola transmission, check out this previous post by Susannah Locke. She notes that, yes, some pigs infected with Ebola may be able to transmit the disease by coughing and sneezing large droplets. But there's a huge caveat here: Ebola affects pigs in a completely different manner than it does humans (in pigs, Ebola shows up as an infection of the lungs; in humans, it mainly targets the liver).
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http://www.vox.com/2014/9/19/6543157/ebola-is-unlikely-to-go-airborne

There's always a first time. That said, all this scaremongering worries me more than the virus. People who should know better are spouting 'facts' like they are Republicans.

The worst thing that can happen is all out panic. Then we will really be up s*** creek. I don't believe we know the entire story but who does.

The best plan is to take precautions against infection and get checked if you have symptoms. This is true not just because of ebola. That enterovirus that's making kids sick and paralyzing some needs to be kept in mind. It could become more widespread in older populations.
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Why Ebola is very unlikely to go airborne (Original Post) Are_grits_groceries Oct 2014 OP
Great post! zappaman Oct 2014 #1
Top Doctors: Ebola May Become Airborne rocktivity Oct 2014 #2
That blog contains conspiracy stuff like Obama personally put Nazis in charge of Ukraine uppityperson Oct 2014 #4
It's a blog with a lot of conspiracy stories Marrah_G Oct 2014 #6
Washingtonsblog is just barely a step above NaturalNews and Globalresearch. NuclearDem Oct 2014 #11
Ebola pigs? ZOMG! Barack_America Oct 2014 #3
Your last paragraph is great. I wonder if people will be better at handwashing, calling in sick, uppityperson Oct 2014 #5
weaponized mikehiggins Oct 2014 #7
uhh..you do know the virus has been patented by CDC, yes? dixiegrrrrl Oct 2014 #8
Thank you. I've been saying this. JaneyVee Oct 2014 #9
IF it mutates in a way that's bad for humans,... MohRokTah Oct 2014 #10
Finally, some damn sense about this situation. NuclearDem Oct 2014 #12
Thank you. I have been seething at those posts that declare it is likely to become airborne Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #13
I have seen no-one but Ebola Pollyannas* try to make an AIDS connection in any way. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #15
"Airborne" is a deliberately obfuscatory term. To the layperson, it means "going through the air," WinkyDink Oct 2014 #14
That's what they say now. But bear with me here. What if a group of Guy Whitey Corngood Oct 2014 #16
I prefer not to bare with you, if that's quite alright... IDemo Oct 2014 #18
I thought I edited that quickly enough. I'm blaming ebola for it though. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Oct 2014 #19
Where I live, "very unlikely" is not synonymous with "can't ever." Alas, world history is replete WinkyDink Oct 2014 #17
Nothing in science is judged as "can't ever". MohRokTah Oct 2014 #20

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
4. That blog contains conspiracy stuff like Obama personally put Nazis in charge of Ukraine
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 04:16 AM
Oct 2014

As well as the studies they reference have been proven to be faulty and have not been able to be duplicated (meaning their conclusions are not accurate).

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
5. Your last paragraph is great. I wonder if people will be better at handwashing, calling in sick,
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 04:19 AM
Oct 2014

getting flu vaccine?

Thank you for posting this. There is reason to be aware, cautious, take care of yourself. But the fearmongering panic is not helpful.

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
7. weaponized
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 09:19 AM
Oct 2014

were it possible to mutate ebola deliberately, this would be a perfect "Stephen King" type terror weapon.

Who's to say it cannot be done?

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
8. uhh..you do know the virus has been patented by CDC, yes?
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 11:44 AM
Oct 2014

Long time ago.

Who's to say it has not already been weaponized.?

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
10. IF it mutates in a way that's bad for humans,...
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 12:04 PM
Oct 2014

it will be a mutation where infection can be spread while the infected person is asymptomatic.

That would be bad.

I don't think it's physically possible for Ebola to mutate in such a way as it becomes airborne.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
13. Thank you. I have been seething at those posts that declare it is likely to become airborne
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 12:18 PM
Oct 2014

because that sort of fear mongering is a vile thing that leads to undue suffering and often to panic and injustice. It is that sort of bullshit belief that got Ryan White harassed out of school for example. That sort of panic caused Americans to openly discuss putting gay people in camps. Huckabee for one suggested it as late as 92.
Fear is no one's friend and it should be nobody's plaything.
Knowledge = Life

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
15. I have seen no-one but Ebola Pollyannas* try to make an AIDS connection in any way.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 01:01 PM
Oct 2014

*As long as we're slinging....

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
14. "Airborne" is a deliberately obfuscatory term. To the layperson, it means "going through the air,"
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 12:59 PM
Oct 2014

such as when SNEEZE DROPLETS FLY, OR SPIT FLIES, OR SWEAT DRIPS---THROUGH THE MEDIUM COMMONLY CALLED "AIR."
So when we are told that one catches Ebola via sneeze or sweat or saliva, we look at the medical pooh-poohing of "airborne" and think, "Are you nuts, or just plain lying?"

HOWEVER, to the MEDICAL person who wishes to obscure truth for the "greater good" of allaying fears, "airborne" means literally "the air transmits" the disease, bad air, mal aria, as it was once thought and named. This, of course, has no relation to Ebola's currently-known transmission, and so the medical position is exquisitely factual.

But as pilots and pigeons know, air is a fluid. And Ebola IS fluid-borne.
http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/vertebrates/flight/physics.html

To drive my point further home:
From 2 years ago, when there was no reason to fudge the facts.....
CDC, you got some 'splainin' to do:
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-20341423

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,501 posts)
16. That's what they say now. But bear with me here. What if a group of
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 01:08 PM
Oct 2014

sharks contracted ebola and where then sucked into tornadoes. These tornadoes begin spreading throughout the country creating some of of..... mmm.... I don't think there's a term fro it yet. But there is a documentary about this that aired not too long ago. What then smart guys??!!

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
17. Where I live, "very unlikely" is not synonymous with "can't ever." Alas, world history is replete
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 01:09 PM
Oct 2014

with "very unlikelys" that occurred.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
20. Nothing in science is judged as "can't ever".
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 01:17 PM
Oct 2014

Anything is still possible in science. "Very unlikely" is just that. Science can never say "can't ever".

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