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Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 09:29 AM Oct 2014

The word "extremism" makes me uncomfortable

The phrase "a Christian country" can mean one of (at least) two things - a country in which Christianity is the majority religion, and a country in which Christianity is afforded special legal status.

This means that it can be used for wonderful bait-and-switch arguments. Is America a Christian country? Yes, the overwhelming majority of Americans are Christian. Should Christians have special privileges in America? Yes, it's a Christian country. Both inferences are, in a sense correct, but the meaning of "Christian country" has changed in between them, and the final conclusion is wrong.

(Digression that occurs to me as I write: in practice there's no equivalent distinction for "Islamic country" or "Jewish country" - every majority-Islamic or majority-Jewish country officially discriminates against non-Muslims or non-Jews. I'm not sure about other religions.)


But, anyhow, extremism. Extremism gets used in exactly the same way. It can mean "someone whose views are at one end of a political spectrum, and with whom most people disagree", but it also often used "irrational, fanatical, potentially-violent crank whose views are not merely unpopular but wrong".

And the two definitions don't really overlap much. DUer's views tend to be pretty extremist by American standards, but are probably much more reasonable than more mainstream (by American standards), more conservative opinions.

In much of the world, especially but by no means exclusively the Islamic world, ultraconservative religious fanaticism is mainstream, not extremist, and e.g. support for same-sex marriage is very extremist indeed.

But a lot of people still use "extremist" as though it meant "wrong", and quite often as though it had connotations of "violent". I wish people would use the words "wrong" and "violent", instead, and not conflate "how popular is this opinion?" with "is it right?"


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The word "extremism" makes me uncomfortable (Original Post) Donald Ian Rankin Oct 2014 OP
Domestic Extremism antiquie Oct 2014 #1
 

antiquie

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1. Domestic Extremism
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 09:34 AM
Oct 2014

The Domestic Extremism Lexicon is a reference aid released by the United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS) that defines different classifications of extremists. There has been controversy associated with it because it gives very broad definitions. This document was released on March 26, 2009 which was two weeks before the infamous “right-wing extremists” report that generated media attention.

The DHS has stated that the report was issued by a "maverick" division of the DHS.

The Domestic Extremism Lexicon lists the “alternative media” with other radical extremist groups and it implies that anyone who disagrees with the mass media’s version of events are potential domestic terrorists.

DHS was almost immediately repealed, but those listed (which include: Neo-Nazis, Aryan Brotherhood prison gangs and Black Power extremists) said the list proves that the federal government is targeting American citizens who are simply knowledgeable about their rights and concerned with current issues.

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