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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 09:51 AM Oct 2014

How did the Republicants convince the masses things have got worse under President Obama?

The nation was going to Hell in a handbasket when he took office. We are in a much better place now. The fact we aren't receiving any credit for it is a shame and boggles the mind.

Just sayin...

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How did the Republicants convince the masses things have got worse under President Obama? (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2014 OP
Two words: ISIS. Ebola. As with a piece of music, people remember best the last thing heard. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #1
I think the constant discussion of pay inequity yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #16
Good lord you are transparent LondonReign2 Oct 2014 #38
add new cold war and "open border", Cayenne Oct 2014 #30
Constant lying propaganda n2doc Oct 2014 #2
Yep. It's their usual MO and as long as it works, they aren't apt to change. Arkansas Granny Oct 2014 #5
That's it: surrealAmerican Oct 2014 #34
Didn't you hear Joe Scum this morning malaise Oct 2014 #3
Yes I did, he forgot to bring up the minimum wage issue and who is blocking this. Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #32
Lying and anger from them, naivete from the president vi5 Oct 2014 #4
The country isn't in stellar shape. That's subjective anyway and it never has been. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2014 #6
Improved yes, but not enough.... vi5 Oct 2014 #8
life was good under Clinton strawberries Oct 2014 #15
I loved the Clinton Years but he didn't have nearly as big a hole to dig out of./NT DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2014 #17
Obama didn't help himself or us.... vi5 Oct 2014 #25
This may have been true in his first term . . . brush Oct 2014 #11
The balance is still way off... vi5 Oct 2014 #14
Will we see a positive campaign from national Democrats? earthside Oct 2014 #7
Touting the fact that unemployment has been cut nearly in half is a good start./NT DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2014 #9
Democrats are remarkably unwilling to tout their accomplishments. bklyncowgirl Oct 2014 #20
All The Dems Need To Be Shouting Out To Their Constituents How Things Have Improved Under.... global1 Oct 2014 #10
Most people are not buying the economic downswing due to the Obama administration Harmony Blue Oct 2014 #12
Ugh, I don't think they have. lonestarnot Oct 2014 #13
I guess we will find out in a month of so. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2014 #19
If you repeat the same thing over and over and over again... Frustratedlady Oct 2014 #18
I call it Lieperbole. Here's a link to where I talk about it... stevenleser Oct 2014 #21
Look at the news today about unemployment going down again RockaFowler Oct 2014 #22
YUP ... every positive is countered LOUDER and more frequently. JoePhilly Oct 2014 #28
Republicans did not need to "convince the masses" of anything. former9thward Oct 2014 #23
Might be time for equal pay and wage raises. JaneyVee Oct 2014 #31
Past time, former9thward Oct 2014 #33
Self-fulfilling paranoia kentuck Oct 2014 #24
FOX, etc. n/t arcane1 Oct 2014 #26
Jobless rate falls to 5.9%, lowest level in six years spanone Oct 2014 #27
Joseph Goebbels knew. elleng Oct 2014 #29
With a heavy assist from so-called liberal allies. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #35
It's easy. Some extremely important things HAVE gotten worse. Orsino Oct 2014 #36
It's not just Republicans. There are people right here ... 11 Bravo Oct 2014 #37
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
16. I think the constant discussion of pay inequity
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 10:32 AM
Oct 2014

Has caused some to think that the are worse off even though it is true. Timing is everything and 2014 has had many discussions on how everyone's pay has gone down. Hear it enough and it sticks and the President is always blamed even if it is not true or fair.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
2. Constant lying propaganda
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 09:52 AM
Oct 2014

Every station, every channel, every newspaper. Lies constantly repeated until they are believed.

surrealAmerican

(11,362 posts)
34. That's it:
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 01:19 PM
Oct 2014

... the continuous propaganda promulgated by a complicit and lazy corporate media.


Media consolidation insures that any objective news will drowned out by their noise.

malaise

(269,063 posts)
3. Didn't you hear Joe Scum this morning
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 09:54 AM
Oct 2014

attacking Obama for pro-wealthy policies while ignoring the fact that the ReTHUG House blocked every progressive vote

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
4. Lying and anger from them, naivete from the president
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 09:58 AM
Oct 2014

President Obama has seemed to think at every possible juncture that people are going to be so enamored of his accomplishments that it all will speak for itself and will rise above the din of lies and anger.

It doesn't help that he has spent too much time trying to let people know how bipartisan he is or is trying to be rather than drawing clear lines between what he wants and what Republicans want (assuming those lines actually exist which on some matters and issues it's not so obvious).

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
6. The country isn't in stellar shape. That's subjective anyway and it never has been.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 10:04 AM
Oct 2014

But you have to be a blithering idiot to argue things haven't improved since. 12/08.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
8. Improved yes, but not enough....
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 10:09 AM
Oct 2014

Under Clinton, things improved a lot. That was less a function of Bill himself and more of having a Democratic congress with actual progressives in it that were still willing to stand up for traditional Democratic values. Also a slightly (only slightly) less batshit group of Republicans.

Now the change has been difficult for many who aren't political or news junkies to see or understand. Much of what has improved is buried deep in the weeds.

 

strawberries

(498 posts)
15. life was good under Clinton
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 10:29 AM
Oct 2014

It started to suck in 2000 right after Y2K b.s.

As for today, I think it goes back to the perception is reality. Do you feel better off?

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
25. Obama didn't help himself or us....
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 11:55 AM
Oct 2014

by hiring on so many people responsible for digging the whole in the first place, especially from a financial/economic policy perspective.

brush

(53,792 posts)
11. This may have been true in his first term . . .
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 10:23 AM
Oct 2014

but that isn't the case now.

There is still repug obstructionism but with executive orders and other measures the president has turned the page on trying to work with "just vote no to everything bunch" — and you might want to turn the pages on your calendar.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
14. The balance is still way off...
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 10:29 AM
Oct 2014

The degree to which they throw everything they have out there....the amount of time they spent with them or their surrogates yelling and screaming so far outweighs the President fighting back. Or even the number of Democratic surrogates out there and their level of fighting back.

Yeah, it's better than his first time but it's still woefully inadequate. The question is not about what he has done or didn't do. It's why don't more people appreciate it. And whether it was during his "bipartisan love fest" of his first term, or his second term where he's used his position with a little more vigor, the public relations game on our side is pure shit. It's not Obama's fault himself (although I don't think he's great at the PR game by any stretch of the imagination) and largely the piss poor organization and media game of the party as a whole, but the effect is the same.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
7. Will we see a positive campaign from national Democrats?
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 10:08 AM
Oct 2014

It would certainly help if there was a major nationwide television, mail and internet advertising effort to promote economic successes.

Instead, in Colorado anyway, all we are getting is an insipid message about contraception as the main reason to return Mark Udall to the U.S. Senate.

If Democrats like Udall lose it is going to be because they are talking to us like we are shallow idiots.

Sorry, Democrats, but going primarily with cultural 'wedge issues' instead of crowing about how things have gotten better is a prescription for losing.

Really, there ought to be a 30 second ad about the decline in the unemployment rate and the declining deficit and how that is because of Democrats on every TV station and web site from now until November 4.

global1

(25,253 posts)
10. All The Dems Need To Be Shouting Out To Their Constituents How Things Have Improved Under....
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 10:21 AM
Oct 2014

this administration. The President himself needs to do more speeches like he gave yesterday at Northwestern and tout his administrations accomplishments. They need to say that we can do more and even better if you GOTV and give us back the House and a majority in the Senate.

I'm sorry but I don't hear that kind of talk from the Dems. Instead there are Dems around the country running away from the President instead of embracing his accomplishments and trying to tag on to his coattails.

If the Dems lose the Senate - they only have themselves to blame.

Harmony Blue

(3,978 posts)
12. Most people are not buying the economic downswing due to the Obama administration
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 10:25 AM
Oct 2014

but they are buying the idea that their rights and privacy have been eroded.

The Republicans have portrayed the Democratic party as the entrenched establishment and it is working really well.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
18. If you repeat the same thing over and over and over again...
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 11:10 AM
Oct 2014

you have programmed the "victims" to your agenda.

Their daily talking points for their vast media coverage has had more of an impact than we realized. Most people don't actually sit down and listen to the news, they catch bits and pieces, so if they are hearing/reading the same points over and over again, those points are stored in the recesses of their minds. They don't even have to work at it.

Add to that, the Democrats have not been touting Obama's accomplishments and should be ashamed. Many of them are no better than a Republican.

RockaFowler

(7,429 posts)
22. Look at the news today about unemployment going down again
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 11:13 AM
Oct 2014

Not one of these dopes said "But what are the real numbers" when Bush was president. Now it's all about the "real Unemployment" number (somewhere around 20% in their minds). They also only mention the bad things. None of them can ever look at anything President Obama does as being a good thing. I find that the most bizarre thing ever. It's like they only want this country to suffer. Nothing can ever get better because Barack Obama is President. That is BIZARRE to me.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
28. YUP ... every positive is countered LOUDER and more frequently.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 12:00 PM
Oct 2014

And sadly, some Democrats (including some on this site) play right along in that.

All good news is really bad news.

former9thward

(32,028 posts)
33. Past time,
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 01:16 PM
Oct 2014

but with globalization competition it is very difficult to do it. Corporations just go off shore.

kentuck

(111,104 posts)
24. Self-fulfilling paranoia
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 11:52 AM
Oct 2014

Repubs believe Obama is the anti-Christ. He is a Manchurian Socialist out to destroy this nation. He wants to take their guns. He wants to bankrupt the country with his uncontrolled spending. He is a dictator that does not believe in our Constitution. He is disrespectful of our military. Al Sharpton is one of his advisers, etc, etc.

elleng

(130,975 posts)
29. Joseph Goebbels knew.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 12:10 PM
Oct 2014

'To attract people, to win over people to that which I have realized as being true, that is called propaganda. In the beginning there is the understanding, this understanding uses propaganda as a tool to find those men, that shall turn understanding into politics. Success is the important thing. Propaganda is not a matter for average minds, but rather a matter for practitioners. It is not supposed to be lovely or theoretically correct. I do not care if I give wonderful, aesthetically elegant speeches, or speak so that women cry. The point of a political speech is to persuade people of what we think right. I speak differently in the provinces than I do in Berlin, and when I speak in Bayreuth, I say different things than I say in the Pharus Hall. That is a matter of practice, not of theory. We do not want to be a movement of a few straw brains, but rather a movement that can conquer the broad masses. Propaganda should be popular, not intellectually pleasing. It is not the task of propaganda to discover intellectual truths. Those are found in other circumstances, I find them when thinking at my desk, but not in the meeting hall.'

'If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself.'

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
37. It's not just Republicans. There are people right here ...
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 02:51 PM
Oct 2014

at the good old "Democratic"Underground who are embarked on the exact same endeavor.

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