unless the crazy mutates and goes airborne, then we are all fucked........ But on the other hand, sometimes crazy is good, like dancing for no reason, that one should mutate and become airborne.

* unless you know where your body fluids have been.

It's a very serious subject, but I understand what you are saying, completely.

We are made to be a bunch of crazed scardey cats by the media. About Everything. And this one is a juicy one.

What you're proposing is way too drastic and would have huge economical impacts. If ebola became airborne, then I'd agree with you. As it is, the virus is difficult to get, and the hysteria over this one case is not warranted. I predict there will be another person identified in the US, and maybe a few more before it's all over. The chances of an ebola pandemic? Zero.

Edited to add:

I'm leaving my original response - didn't realize until after I wrote it that your post isn't serious. Sorry about that, and count me guilty of a knee jerk reaction. I really am sick of all the hysteria.

this was in response to banning flights from the continent of Africa.

The 2nd one is in DC.

Did you see The Daily Show last night?

I mean, let's not let anyone move anywhere until an Ebola vaccine is available.

Yeah...that's the ticket.

Are places releasing "holding traveler with a fever" info to show their system is working, or is it to stir up more hits on media? Either way, it seems rather a liability issue, privacy info stuff, you know? They need to be very very very careful what info they release due to privacy laws. And I wonder if it will discourage potential others from seeking help since they know their names will get out there and they will be shunned if it's just a fever?

Oh man.

I think that being careful is a good thing. Anyone coming from Liberia should be checked, what's the harm? There is an epidemic there, I don't think you're infringing on anyone's rights.

Sean

We'll have to expand that to other states if cases show up there of course, but for right now we can just quarantine Texas and the rest of us will be safe.

it should be the whole country.

The whole country it is then.

Where public health officials will visit every home to educate about Ebola (and both inventory and possibly confiscate firearms, naturally).

We need to nip this epidemic right in the bud.

...so no football.

I still wonder whose relative of someone high up, made a bundle from that nonsense.

You have it backwards.

spawned yours.

If France decided that commercial flights from USA were to be suspended, it would be Frances decision as a country.

Sierra Leone, Liberia et al are not prohibiting flights. What is being discussed is if hot spots should have travel prohibitions imposed by other countries (by prohibiting travel to areas to their country) to prevent the disease from spreading from continent to continent.

So, yeah, your juxtaposition is not based in reality.

to make sure the USA ebola isn't spread, we should close our borders to keep the rest of the world safe.

I'm sure you're trying to make some convoluted point, but you're failing miserably.

Are you trying to say we shouldn't restrict flight from ebola infected countries, becaue, quid pro quo, we have one imported case from there?

I mean, really, what are you getting at?

To keep exposed and contagious people from exposing and infecting others.

to mock those that want travel restrictions placed on entry from the hot zones.

And failing miserably, I might add.

That is odd.

There is just no reasoning with some people.

what quarantine the USA should have in place since it has an active case?

To keep exposed and contagious people from exposing and infecting others.

We have ONE active case (not counting the healthcare workers we meticulously planned for and purposely flew in for treatment).

For this 'case in the wild' that was imported unplanned, there's not much more we can do at this point, aside from the fact that what is currently being done isn't being done well. But if we continue to allow nonsymptomatic people to freely come here, you can rest assured there will be many more who come here seeking treatment as things deteriorate over there. And from all indications, they will continue to deteriorate.

We'll know more about the potential future impacts in the coming weeks. Isolation corridors may need to be established, depending on the scope. If we're looking at a WestPoint type of situation, that's a whole other ballgame. My hope is that won't be the case.

So My parting comments to you are this: IF we ever get to the point where it even hints at this being out of control, like Liberia, we absolutely need to take any and all measure to prevent transmission outside of our borders, both locally and nationally.

This shit isn't something to mess around with.

the USA. Should they do individual quarantines, a city, a state, the country?

I think you answered that you don't want any now, only, and I quote " IF we ever get to the point where it even hints at this being out of control, like Liberia, we absolutely need to take any and all measure to prevent transmission outside of our borders, both locally and nationally."

I'm not comfortable with the way they are approaching this so-called quarantine. I won't address city, state, country, because we are nowhere near that as I stated above.

As for local quarantine, my understanding is that they have idenfied 100 contacts that they are monitoring. Those have been put into 3 risk catagories: Low, Med, High. I'm assuming the level the risk catagory correlates with the amount of direct contact.

So far I am only aware of 4 contacts in strict quarantine. I have no idea what is going on with the others (hospital workers who tended to him on his first visit, ER visitors who might have been exposed, etc.).

But anyone who is deemed to be high risk should be in a controlled quarantine environment being checked by medical personell daily to see if symptoms present. Lower risk contacts should self isolate but be checked on daily by medical personell and the CDC.

Right now I have no confidence that this is being done given the fact they aren't saying and seeing what's happened with the 4 individuals being kept in a virus ridden environment.

And as I said earlier, should more cases present, things will change. I don't have a crystal ball to tell you what will transpire and how we should proceed. I only know that things aren't being handled well right now and that we are inviting similar situations across the country by allowing people to continue non-essential travel in from the hot zones.

people traveling. Banning people from flying into USA does not mean stopping the disease from entering the country. Yes, screen and stop the obviously sick ones, but a problem with stopping everyone is it can't be done and there are way more well than sick people.

What if people fly to Canada? Living across the border from a Canadian city, lots of people go back and forth every day. From what I read from the CDC, they said there won't be an outbreak in the USA like is in W Africa because we have the means, resources available to treat and contain it. IF they are used properly, which they weren't here. From the first ED visit to quarantining the family in infected quarters.

Thank you and I am appalled that they quarantined that host family in infected quarters. So very wrong to do that. I think this all, hope this all, is a wake up call for other communities to check their systems to see how well they can deal with even 1 sick person.

But knowingly letting people enter from the hot zones for no good reason is just crazy given the risks.

about restricting travel from the hot zones.

it's crazy to continue to issue visas and allowing non critical entry from Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea where there is an active outbreak. Nigeria and Senegal seem to have it under control, but continued monitoring is necessary.

Clear?

for quite a while ago. And if someone applies now, it will be at least 6 weeks if not months before they get one (per internet research).


It sounds like you would like passengers from those 3 countries not admitted, or held in quarantine rather than flights from those 3 countries blocked, especially since there are not direct flights? That is a question, trying to understand here, not snark

RIGHT NOW, they can't get on a plane to come here.

It's not rocket science.

places the travelers switch planes in, since there are not direct flights and they have to change planes?

Do they not need VISAs to enter the US to get on those connecting flights and be admitted to the US?

Can they get on a flight from one of those connecting countries without a valid VISA to enter? Don't they have customs in process in, say, Belgium they have to go through before they board?

USA should dictate to them whether or not to let a person with a valid visa on a plane to the USA?

What about SAS? AirCanada? AirFrance? Etc etc etc?

prevent them from getting on the plane in the first place.

If someone buys a one way to Belgium, and they flew in two weeks ago, then buys a ticket to USA, I assume it appears on the passport that they flew from a hot spot two weeks ago to Belgium. If that is the case, well Belgium has to deal with it.

If not, we are in worse shape than I thought.

What if evrey country did that, air traffic would come to a halt, no? How is this hot spot determined, by number of people dead or by just one case that is still alive? Would the US be a hotspot then?

but what would be the point then if there wasn't control and was an opt in or opt out deal?

Your response to me in light of my responses is not making sense.

visas from getting on planes?

But who determines and what determines a hot spot. Is the U.S. now a hot spot because of Dallas, and maybe Hawaii. What if there were connecting flights with a hot spot stop in between. What if information for the airport people isn't up to date enough, or change too fast - information changes very fast in these things and a lot of that info is false.

We are all in this together and should work together and banning certain people from certain places is just wrong. Fear brings out the worst in us.

via the issuance of a Visa?

Do you really think anyone can just hop on a plane from anywhere around the world and just waltz on in? If you don't have a valid visa, you aren't getting through customs.

http://www.cbp.gov/travel/international-visitors/iti-transit

"USA should dictate to them whether or not to let a person with a valid visa on a plane to the USA?"

Are visas never revoked? They are everytime the State Department decides to put no travel restrictions on certain countries.

Bye now.

revoke the visa? I am trying to understand by asking questions, seeking clarification of what you are saying. Thank you for your patience.

Have at it.

That is an out for being asked a very stricking question you have no reasonable reply for.
See my other responses, it will explain everythng (which it doesn't).

Because it seems to have sufficed for Uppity, who I was having this discussion with in the first place.

I prefer not to.
I even forgot the question. So I guess this is *sob, goodbye.

I think that I feel much the same as you concerning the current frenzy that's swept the nation.

This coming Sunday, I'll have been sick for one full month with what I suspect was that Entero d68 virus...it damned near killed me the first week and my lungs and sinuses will probably never be the same, now. As someone who always tries to be very careful to avoid sick people during Flu season, I'm pretty sure I know how and where I caught the bug, but that is neither here nor there. Fact is, it got me. I haven't been anywhere at all since I first got sick, hell, I haven't even washed my hair all this time, just too weak (that's my task to accomplish for the day, my man is determined to get me out of the house, so tomorrow we're taking a short road trip to look at Fall, run down to Oso to drive the new road, and find good cider and apples for our winter supply).

When I consider the power that a common "cold" held over me and the ease with which those viruses transfer, I'm sorry, but any fear of catching something like Ebola just doesn't raise my excitement meter.

Excuse me now while I disinfect this keyboard.

I just got an apple grinder, friend has a press, and have been out gathering apples to make into cider. If you were over this side, I'd invite you to join us. Hmmmm, WA DU get together doing apple grinding, pressing, cidre?

When I first moved here, I made my own for years, as the stuff they call cider out here just never cut it, compared to the sharp, tangy Ohio drink I was used to. I even used to have my daddy send me boxes of our own homegrown Jonathan apples, before the apple-maggot warnings came out and nipped that in the bud.

Skagit is having its Family Farm Festival here this week and there's one orchard down the road that does use apples with the proper zest to make their cider, so we're hoping to score some good stuff. I've been yapping at my SO all this time that all I needed was one good jug of fresh stiff cider to get me well, everytime he'd bring me home the weak-sauce juices that are sold at the grocery.

As a teetotaler, I'd love to have a get-together that involved producing good food, rather than consuming it in some drinking establishment. I've never done well meeting people in bars, ha!

Hey, to go even further completely off-topic, has there been any further news on that girl missing from Sequim, Lauryn Garrett?

We saw that "Disappeared" program when it aired, it was a good special but didn't resolve much for those who wish she'd get back into recovery. Lauryn was thought to have an excellent chance at making it when she got on that ferry.