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Fearless

(18,421 posts)
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 04:27 PM Oct 2014

Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways

Many computer users usually ignore terms of service or privacy policy documents, but they should pay attention to what the Windows 10 privacy policy has to say. The document reveals that Microsoft can collect and use voice information and even record text input for some applications, suggesting that Windows 10 can at any time send such data to the company without the user knowing what is happening.

“We may collect information about your device and applications and use it for purposes such as determining or improving compatibility” and “use voice input features like speech-to-text, we may collect voice information and use it for purposes such as improving speech processing,” the company says about voice data collection.

“If you open a file, we may collect information about the file, the application used to open the file, and how long it takes any use [of] it for purposes such as improving performance, or [if you] enter text, we may collect typed characters, we may collect typed characters and use them for purposes such as improving autocomplete and spellcheck features,” Microsoft writes about this unexpected Windows 10 key-logging feature.

To further improve its upcoming desktop operating system, Microsoft says it may collect even more data about users. “Microsoft collects information about you, your devices, applications and networks, and your use of those devices, applications and networks,” the Windows 10 preview terms state. “Examples of data we collect include your name, email address, preferences and interests; browsing, search and file history; phone call and SMS data; device configuration and sensor data; and application usage.”

http://bgr.com/2014/10/03/windows-10-privacy-policy/

And yes it will be called Windows 10 not 9. If you don't believe me see here... http://bgr.com/2014/09/30/microsoft-windows-10-announced/

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Does Microsoft really think that people will stand for this?? This is even stupider and more dangerous than what they tried to do for the XBox One gaming system. Who in their right mind would buy it knowing this? It's not even something they try to hush up, they're telling you they do this blatantly!

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Windows 10 preview lets Microsoft collect private data in frightening ways (Original Post) Fearless Oct 2014 OP
So essentially Windows 10 comes with a built-in keystroke logger. woodsprite Oct 2014 #1
Worse yet, it will capture email info coming into your computer. dixiegrrrrl Oct 2014 #8
It's a "Value Added Feature!" nt TheBlackAdder Oct 2014 #14
Time for a move to Linux for everything MohRokTah Oct 2014 #2
That's what I did six years ago pokerfan Oct 2014 #4
So how do I learn about Linux? irisblue Oct 2014 #12
I started with Ubuntu Linux pokerfan Oct 2014 #18
Better be GNU Linux. Check EFF for the latest Software. Ubuntu sends data to Amazon. SUSE=NSA nt TheBlackAdder Oct 2014 #15
This make Windows 10 unusable for health care practices or clinics. Big Blue Marble Oct 2014 #3
Oh....GOOD catch. dixiegrrrrl Oct 2014 #7
And of ... sendero Oct 2014 #24
The Microsoft dragnet. For the NSA. And freedumb. And rightwing Jesus. blkmusclmachine Oct 2014 #5
Yeah I think I'll be switching to Ubuntu after this. Initech Oct 2014 #6
Run's on MicroSoft's Azure Data Collector. Also, sends search and other info to Amazon's Cloud. nt TheBlackAdder Oct 2014 #17
Bill Gates is a control freak and it is reflected in his product. Rex Oct 2014 #9
I got a new computer not too long ago at work and had to special request Win7 be put on it. woodsprite Oct 2014 #10
It is an industry wide push. I've had the exact same request this year by a dozen people. Rex Oct 2014 #13
It's a beta product. Let me know if these features are in the official release Revanchist Oct 2014 #11
Really, thinking the same here about the data collection mrdmk Oct 2014 #19
To be fair, I beta tested 7 and it worked just fine. Fearless Oct 2014 #25
Vista was a major change for the PC market mrdmk Oct 2014 #29
Agreed. Fearless Oct 2014 #30
Well, any chance of me upgrading from 7 to 10 just flew out the window. PFunk Oct 2014 #16
Oh FFS its a technical preview whose only purpose is to test and improve the product. DesMoinesDem Oct 2014 #20
Exactly! gvstn Oct 2014 #22
All that data and and they came up with Windows 8 ucrdem Oct 2014 #21
How do you think that autocomplete works? Or speech recognition, that gets better as you use it? X_Digger Oct 2014 #23
Yes, people will stand for it. merrily Oct 2014 #26
You'll have to see if that language is in the offical release davidn3600 Oct 2014 #27
we are already standing for this...... KentuckyWoman Oct 2014 #28

woodsprite

(11,916 posts)
1. So essentially Windows 10 comes with a built-in keystroke logger.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 04:37 PM
Oct 2014

I'll be damned if I'm upgrading anything unless it's to move my work environment to Linux. Already changed out all my systems at home for Apples and have not subscribed to the cloud service.

Who in their right mind would ever try to do personal banking or shopping with that on there?

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
8. Worse yet, it will capture email info coming into your computer.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 05:07 PM
Oct 2014

So my email address will be known to Windows via any email I send to a Windows user.

pokerfan

(27,677 posts)
4. That's what I did six years ago
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 04:50 PM
Oct 2014

Everything at home is Linux or Linux derived. Desktop, laptop, tablet, phone, ereader, etc.

irisblue

(32,981 posts)
12. So how do I learn about Linux?
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 05:37 PM
Oct 2014

I had to sorta learn Windows for work (at a hospital) and I have only used Windows based systems at home. Is there Linux for dummies?

pokerfan

(27,677 posts)
18. I started with Ubuntu Linux
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 07:29 PM
Oct 2014

But I reccomend Linux Mint for new users as it's more ready to go out of the box. Just go to their website and download/make a boot disk. Even if you decide not to install it as an OS, it's a good idea to have a boot disk handy for recovering from Windows crashes.

It behaves a lot like Windows except there are new (open source) apps for everything. Like Open Office instead of MS Office and Gimp instead of Photoshop.

I love it. More specifically I love the open source philosophy. I'll never go back.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
7. Oh....GOOD catch.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 05:01 PM
Oct 2014

Yes.....that would concern me, as a patient.
I keep forgetting that online Medical records are Windows supported.
Gotta bring that to the attention of my doc's office.

SO glad we use Linux at home.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
5. The Microsoft dragnet. For the NSA. And freedumb. And rightwing Jesus.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 04:56 PM
Oct 2014

And I'm pretty sure your phone sends your private conversations to the NSA while it's turned OFF and IN YOUR POCKET or PURSE.

Initech

(100,081 posts)
6. Yeah I think I'll be switching to Ubuntu after this.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 04:59 PM
Oct 2014

Windows 8 was bad enough, this tracking shit has got to stop. And now that Steam is moving full on ahead with Steam OS and to Linux and Linux derivatives like Ubuntu and Debian, is there any reason for gamers to continue to use Microsoft?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
9. Bill Gates is a control freak and it is reflected in his product.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 05:17 PM
Oct 2014

I guess Win7 will be the last OS I use by windows. Shame, it works great. I refuse to by the POS Windows 8 (since it doesn't work) and will not be switching over to Big Brother 10.

woodsprite

(11,916 posts)
10. I got a new computer not too long ago at work and had to special request Win7 be put on it.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 05:25 PM
Oct 2014

The programmers all run Ubuntu. I'm a Sublime text user, but I use it in Vi mode The youngsters around here aren't interested in that. They use Pico only when made to for certain edits or fetch the files down, edit, then ftp back up to the server.

I would be happy as a clam to just to back to straight Vi or using gVim. I'll take inventory, but I don't think there is a single thing I use in my daily web mockups/testing that would keep me from going to Linux during the next upgrade. Unless, of course, they decided to pull stupid shit like Microsoft.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
13. It is an industry wide push. I've had the exact same request this year by a dozen people.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 05:40 PM
Oct 2014

Everyone wants the fastest OS windows makes and that is Windows 7 Ultimate. I've come to HATE HATE HATE Windows 8. Also, if you buy a new HP workstation - be prepared to NOT be able to go back to Win7...they don't make drivers for it for these new workstations coming out! Straight up extortion IMO.

It makes me SICK that the entire industry does whatever Bill Gates wants them to!

Revanchist

(1,375 posts)
11. It's a beta product. Let me know if these features are in the official release
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 05:33 PM
Oct 2014

By installing it now you're basically volunteering to test the product for Microsoft and they need to collect that data to find bugs and develop a stable product for commercial release.

mrdmk

(2,943 posts)
19. Really, thinking the same here about the data collection
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 09:16 PM
Oct 2014

Although, Beta testing was up to the user to report issues for a long time. Some of the Beta testers I have met did not have training in how computers actually work, more-or-less the vocabulary. It was always a wonder if Microsoft was using bad information to iron out the bugs in their software. Of course, one should never use beta software on their primary computer, it will crash, it is without a question...

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
25. To be fair, I beta tested 7 and it worked just fine.
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 01:31 AM
Oct 2014

Just couldn't find peripheral drivers and such at the time. Vista crashed much more. (Which isn't saying much!)

mrdmk

(2,943 posts)
29. Vista was a major change for the PC market
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 04:47 AM
Oct 2014

Vista was rolled out before it was ready for primetime. Win 7 was the fix for Vista and needed to be treated as such. Win 8 was a major interface upgrade for a population that knew how to use a computer. Microsoft believes they can reinvent the computer market on all platforms that use a microprocessor. They also believe we need the same interface with the same restrictions across all platforms. Microsoft needs to recheck their marketing strategy. Having the same interface across all platforms is a joke..

PFunk

(876 posts)
16. Well, any chance of me upgrading from 7 to 10 just flew out the window.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 05:45 PM
Oct 2014

And I see a lot of folks joining me. 10 now just became a POS 'cause of this.

 

DesMoinesDem

(1,569 posts)
20. Oh FFS its a technical preview whose only purpose is to test and improve the product.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 09:25 PM
Oct 2014

If you don't want to be a TESTER whose every move is watched don't install the free technical preview.

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
22. Exactly!
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 09:53 PM
Oct 2014

But I will say that during install you are given lots of choices as to how much data you are sharing. Unfortunately, those screens only relate to the final release, this technical release obviously sweeps up a lot of information without specifically warning you during install. The email collection is particularly disturbing. It is rather difficult to figure out how to create a local account during install rather than automatically hooking into your Windows Live account.

All that said, as someone who didn't bother to get used to Win8 or 8.1, this version 10 at first glance on a desktop has a lot better chance of wide acceptance. I can see it being very serviceable for businesses that need to update their OS without having to worry about their employees being completely unable to navigate as they would have been with win8.

I may actually give these a couple days of testing--minus visits to any fetish porn sites

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
21. All that data and and they came up with Windows 8
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 09:51 PM
Oct 2014

which seems dedicated to the mistaken notion that PCs are iPads and people mainly use their desktops as gigantic smart phones? Hmm. If they use any of the data they collect to actually improve their products I'd be surprised.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
23. How do you think that autocomplete works? Or speech recognition, that gets better as you use it?
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 10:00 PM
Oct 2014

Note it doesn't say the data is being sent back to Redmond, just used to improve things like spellcheck and voice recognition.

I swear, folks get their panties in a twist over the silliest things.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
27. You'll have to see if that language is in the offical release
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 01:37 AM
Oct 2014

The beta version is a product for testers and shouldnt be used for your everyday computing. Beta testing has bugs and security vulnerabilities.

KentuckyWoman

(6,688 posts)
28. we are already standing for this......
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 02:24 AM
Oct 2014

I am on a Kindle Fire right now. Each letter I type brings up a row of words Kindle thinks I'm headed for. Google does the same. My keystrokes are being monitored.

How do you think spellcheck works?

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