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HomerRamone

(1,112 posts)
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 06:00 PM Oct 2014

Why do Americans believe bombing is the answer when experts say “there’s no military solution”?

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/coleen-rowley/58718/why-do-americans-hate-beheadings-but-love-drone-killings

1) ”Us versus them” mentality, the group bonding also known as tribalism, nationalism, group elitism, etc. seems partially learned behavior but also hard-wired into humans (like other animals) to enable group survival. The worst, most excessive forms of group bonding are also known as racism. Yet it’s an innate part of human psychological makeup to identify most closely with those with whom we share group affinity, so Americans are always going to care more about Americans/Westerners as opposed to more distant foreigners. A 2013 Gallup Poll seems to bear out this role of group affinity on multiple levels...

2) The gruesome beheadings were deliberately and dramatically videotaped to ensure that U.S. media brought the scenes into all U.S. living rooms whereas the drone bombings of citizens of foreign countries are almost never filmed nor covered at all by U.S. media. Thus to the majority of Americans, drone killings seem sterile, sanitized and surgical even though some of the pilots and analysts whose cameras hover over the scene afterward thus allowing close-up views after launching their missiles, know differently and end up suffering from PTSD. Some are even committing suicide.

3) It’s apparent that even a large segment of the “peace” community does not understand that U.S. wars and U.S.-orchestrated regime changes indirectly created Islamic State (and other Al Qaeda type terrorist groups) and that U.S. drone (and other aerial) bombing is giving rise to MORE terrorism, rather than working to reduce it. These two articles “How the West Created the Islamic State” and “How ISIS Is Using Us to Get What It Wants” describe the dynamic...

4) A fourth reason why most Americans now go happily along with perpetual war in a kind of blissful stupor, cheering on their favorite war hawk politician comes from the lessons learned so well from the Vietnam War. Getting rid of the military draft and putting the trillions of dollars of mounting war costs on the ever-expanding and perfectly elastic national debt card was a stroke of genius on the part of the military-industrial complex to wipe away any remaining “Vietnam Syndrome.”...

there’s reason to question that being killed by drone bombs is any less horrible then death by beheading.
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HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
2. The solution needed is sometimes for here at home.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 06:11 PM
Oct 2014

Bombing makes it look like the country is doing 'something(!)'

Nothing says 'we're on it' like shock and awe.

HomerRamone

(1,112 posts)
5. If people here had any experience with getting bombed things would be very different
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 06:36 PM
Oct 2014

no drinking jokes please

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
3. Perhaps they don't view it as a solution, but rather a method to hold back the flood?
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 06:20 PM
Oct 2014

Defang ISIS (or the enemy du jour) enough to allow their local opponents to have a fighting chance.

As far as drone deaths versus beheading, I'd choose the drone method because that is usually out of the blue, unanticipated, and quick. With the beheading you know what's coming and have no hope.

HomerRamone

(1,112 posts)
6. "Some drone pilots have talked about watching those they’ve hit try crawling away with severed limbs
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 06:39 PM
Oct 2014

...or lie bleeding to death for hours."

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
8. Just like cutting someone will increase the bleeding
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 06:41 PM
Oct 2014

but surgery still happens. The proper use of military force here is to contain/roll back ISIS and give the political process between Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds some breathing room to create a united front.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
10. Because violence is our national religion
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 07:06 PM
Oct 2014

We believe in violence so strongly that we trust it to solve all our problems, even when apostates and acolytes say it won't work. Violence works, every time and to the limit of our belief in its efficacy. If violence appears to fail, it's because we weren't faithful enough to it and the solution is more violence, more violently applied.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
11. When you break something with a hammer...
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 07:17 PM
Oct 2014

what makes anyone think that "fixing it" requires more hammering?

Thanks for that article, HomerRamone! It's a great piece and I highly recommend it.

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