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WHY are we giving oil companies $10 billion in subsidies while we're closing public schools? (Original Post) Triana Oct 2014 OP
Because oil companies give millions to politicians gopiscrap Oct 2014 #1
sad but true. liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #2
Hole in one..... daleanime Oct 2014 #5
Couldn't agree more. nt Andy823 Oct 2014 #34
The beatings will continue until morale improves. Initech Oct 2014 #3
Oil subsidies and ag subsidies are high on my frustration list. oldandhappy Oct 2014 #4
So we can have cheap gas? RobertEarl Oct 2014 #6
Because they own our politicians and schools don't. Obviously. Kablooie Oct 2014 #7
Note to Big Oil: Learn, change, and grow! You'll find that it is fun! raging moderate Oct 2014 #8
Why are we talking of cutting Soc Sec and Medicare when these huge Corps. don't pay taxes?? TheNutcracker Oct 2014 #9
+1 n/t Triana Oct 2014 #13
damn good question. liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #16
Exxon paid $ 24 billion in taxes in 2013 Yupster Oct 2014 #19
which compared to their profit is about 13%. Unacceptable. liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #25
Here are the numbers from their income statement on yahoo Yupster Oct 2014 #27
from dailykos liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #28
That's just a perfect response Yupster Oct 2014 #29
Exxon - 2009 19B profit, got a tax rebate from the gov - paid less than zero. Warren Stupidity Oct 2014 #31
thank you. I have to wonder why anyone on Earth would defend the oil companies. liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #32
+ 1000000000 woo me with science Oct 2014 #35
because teachers buy their own supplies. Warren Stupidity Oct 2014 #10
Seems DU members understand this problem pretty well. Scuba Oct 2014 #11
Indeed. ohnoyoudidnt Oct 2014 #22
Because in part Big Oil owns congress. onecaliberal Oct 2014 #12
I wanna send this graphic to a few ppl, but need a link...... alittlelark Oct 2014 #14
Understand this fact RobertEarl Oct 2014 #15
Sucking the teat of big government Dirty Socialist Oct 2014 #17
"No Child Left Behind" JohnnyRingo Oct 2014 #18
And where does our President, his Secretary of Education, Arnie Duncan, and Charter Schools fit in? FlatStanley Oct 2014 #21
Race to the Top=No Child Left Behind liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #26
Because this country is owned... ReRe Oct 2014 #20
I assume that's a rhetorical question. nm rhett o rick Oct 2014 #23
K&R burrowowl Oct 2014 #24
Because how else could we afford it??? grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #30
Because corporations the size of BP, control countries. Rex Oct 2014 #33
Huge K&R woo me with science Oct 2014 #36
Why are we giving 7 billion in subsidies to the corn industry? Avalux Oct 2014 #37
What will Exxon etc. do differently if the Tax Break is removed? One_Life_To_Give Oct 2014 #38
kick woo me with science Oct 2014 #39
Why are we cutting food stamps while giving oil companies $10 billion in subsidies ? Autumn Oct 2014 #40

Initech

(100,100 posts)
3. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 10:05 PM
Oct 2014

This is fucking disgusting. It's time to cut the cord on their feeding trough.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
6. So we can have cheap gas?
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 10:13 PM
Oct 2014

Wait.... that didn't work. Hmmmmm

I got it!! ... Because the schools don't have lobbyists that are a bunch of capitalists. School lobbyists are just parents and teachers, that really, when it comes down to it, are just socialists.

raging moderate

(4,308 posts)
8. Note to Big Oil: Learn, change, and grow! You'll find that it is fun!
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 10:13 PM
Oct 2014

The people who made fortunes manufacturing whale oil lamps did not all die when we stopped buying whale oil lamps. They turned to doing something else to get money. You can do it, too. Fear not! You will not die like the dinosaurs. We genuinely don't want to hurt you. We just want you to learn, change, and grow!

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
19. Exxon paid $ 24 billion in taxes in 2013
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 12:17 AM
Oct 2014

That was down from $ 31 billion in 2011 and 2012.

But let's keep saying they didn't pay any at all.

That sounds way cooler.

Here's their income sheet from yahoo finance

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=XOM+Income+Statement&annual

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
27. Here are the numbers from their income statement on yahoo
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 01:32 AM
Oct 2014

Income before taxes $ 57.7 billion

Income tax $ 24.3 billion

net income $ 32.6 billion


How does that equal 13 % ?

Anyway, it is $ 24 billion more than zero which is what the original post stated.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
29. That's just a perfect response
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 02:27 AM
Oct 2014

Someone posts something that is complete nonsense, something completely laughably false.

Oil companies pay zero taxes.

What a whopper. Tell it to Exxon, the most taxed corporation in the world.

So is the response, "Oops, I guess we need to be more careful when we share things from that source."

No, not at all. The response is "why are you defending oil companies?"

Can you beat that?

So, let me forget my job in the finance industry and get back into the DU echo chamber.

My revised and extended remarks......

OIL COMPANIES PAY ZERO TAXES. IT'S OUTRAGEOUS !!

Now I feel much better.

PS - years ago I wrote a history textbook for DC Heath and Company. How much easier it would have been if I could just make up facts.

Here's an idea, "The US didn't drop a nuke on Hiroshima, Hitler did." If someone points out that Hitler was dead when the bomb was dropped, the correct response would be, "Why are you defending Hitler?"

PSS - As far as the discrepancy on the taxes Exxon pays, Kos says 15 % while Exxon's filed financial statement shows much more than that, the answer relies on the fact that Exxon operates throughout the world. If you take their worldwide earnings and divide out the taxes paid to the US government, you get 15 %. But if you take the taxes Exxon paid and divide it from the earnings, you get 39 % (Forbes number). The difference is that Exxon pays taxes to countries, provinces, states, cities all over the world. An Exxon accountant would say, we made $ 57 billion and paid $ 24 billion in taxers. Is that not enough? To Exxon it doesn't make much difference who the tax is paid to, it comes off their earnings.

But there's not much point in explaining any of this.

Let me just close by saying,

Oil companies pay zero taxes. Zero.







 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
31. Exxon - 2009 19B profit, got a tax rebate from the gov - paid less than zero.
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 12:26 PM
Oct 2014

And that was not the only year. You are right, not zero. LESS THAN ZERO.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
15. Understand this fact
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:28 PM
Oct 2014

The education system in the US, is, in total, the largest government operation when you look at taxes, employment and spending.

It also makes people smart. So cutting education means less smart people.

And making some of education private means more profits for a few, so education as we know it has two strikes against it in congress.

JohnnyRingo

(18,640 posts)
18. "No Child Left Behind"
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:48 PM
Oct 2014

The Bush overhaul of the public school system was designed to end free K-12 education. There's nothing a wealthy person hates more than paying to educate your kids.

The No Child Left Behind act issues vouchers to help send students to private, Christian, and schools in wealthier districts. With the lack of students in public schools, they're forced to close and lay off union teachers (the real enemy).

After the schools are shuttered, republicans will abolish the vouchers as too expensive and force those students back into the public system. Classes will be grossly understaffed and overcrowded, but locals can raise property taxes to replace the federal money lost. Many in working class and poor neighborhoods will not pass such levies.

That's the ultimate goal of the GOP: "You get the best education your family can afford". Another Mission Accomplished.

 

FlatStanley

(327 posts)
21. And where does our President, his Secretary of Education, Arnie Duncan, and Charter Schools fit in?
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 12:22 AM
Oct 2014

Our hands are not clean. We need to wash up.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
33. Because corporations the size of BP, control countries.
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 12:30 PM
Oct 2014

They get what they want, when they want it. Entire nations fear huge conglomerates.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
37. Why are we giving 7 billion in subsidies to the corn industry?
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 04:26 PM
Oct 2014

Corporate welfare is alive and well in this country, at the expense of the well-being of LIVING AND BREATHING citizens.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
38. What will Exxon etc. do differently if the Tax Break is removed?
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 04:31 PM
Oct 2014

Yes it costs us $10Billion. But what is it these companies are doing different because of this Tax Break?

Like most tax breaks they are an exchange of some activity to receive a tax break. Without knowing what it is they are doing/not-doing, we can't really judge if it's worth $10billion or not.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
40. Why are we cutting food stamps while giving oil companies $10 billion in subsidies ?
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 09:00 PM
Oct 2014

It just may be because our elected leaders hold we the people in contempt.

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