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there was another yesterday or day before... i forget, that was this bad an alert. so bad, they did not even put a message in the alert space.

scam artists and fuckwads are what they are.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5633629

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Attack cooments

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(Don't make fun of the place where my truthy lives!)
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I was #6.

"get a brain, morans!"

Sid

from Juror 1

Mike Adams - the Jim Robinson of health scammers.

I kiddink.

but I wouldn't give this quack site the time of day.

Telling people not to trust doctors and scientists, and instead relying on unproven "natural cures" - that seems like a recipe for disaster.

Only in real life.

the site is dangerous. Gullible people follow dangerous advice and pay to do it. they're shameless asswipes. fuck Adams and fuck anyone associated with Natural News.

Are you finger-wagging her for language because of her gender?

That's some sexist bullshit, if that's what you are doing.

I'm talking about Natural News and the awful crap they peddle. I've used herbs for decades and grown them. Of course there are lots of natural ways to diminish illness and boost the immune system and I'm gung ho about them. Natural News is NOT about that. It's horseshit. It's dangerous horseshit.

Yes, I'm female. So? Want to make a fucking big deal out of it? And btw, that's sexist claptrap.

and Peggy of course.
Going after her for being female?...oh hell no
Cali is one of the good ones here.Don't play word games against her

Sort of like it is here. Still, many will find other ways helpful.

scam artist right wingers who prey on people. it's sick shit.

frowned upon by mainstream media/gov't/corporate entities - and DU.

It has nothing to do with media or gov't or corporate entities. And everything to do with quackery.

and animals stay alive and healthy.

How many pharmaceuticals have come and gone because of lawsuits brought by harmed patients?

People have to be careful about all of it.

"By definition, (I begin)
Alternative medicine, (I continue)
Has either not been proved to work,
Or been proved not to work.
Do you know what they call ‘Alternative medicine’
That’s been proved to work?
Medicine."

'Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food.'

And we've come a long way since then.

No longer relying on the magical men, and demons in the sky.

Not saying that old Hippocrates doesn't have some underlying wisdom there, but when I get ill, I'm off to the doctor.

The real doctor, who dispenses medicines that have established dosages and track records.

Naturopaths, homeopaths and others of that ilk are charlatans.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/naturopathy-vs-science-facts-edition/

There is plenty of "science" behind the medicinal properties of specific foods/herbs.

It's like going to a homeopath for a broken leg.

And there is no baby that's getting thrown out.

yes, there is science regarding what we ingest. I'm beginning to wonder if you even know, on the most basic of levels, what science is.

nasty you sound on this board sometimes.

If you want nasty in response to foolishness, head over to SBM or FreeThoughtBlogs.

Post silly stuff and they hand you your head, along with other bits of your anatomy.

you should have heard my wife. She put either shit or fuck in about every third sentence.

I like using salty language. Perhaps because I had a very proper U upbringing.

Because vulgarity certainly isn't worth interrupting discussion of important issues to fuss about?

This does illustrate one of the most basic and profound differences between conservatives and liberals and libertarians, after all.

The basic conservative orientation that requires conservatives to protect community above personal freedom (as well as their concomitant fondness for conformity) causes them to link off-norm vulgarity with immorality and call for the community to be protected.

Libs of both types value personal liberties above obedience and conformity and, thus, tend to feel vulgarity is a matter of personal style and draw the moral line where one man's vulgarity intersects another's nose. If mine started bleeding, I would also either complain or block the poster, depending.

Of course, orientations come in all mixes. Thank goodness from a lib - keeps us from getting intolerably predictable. The problem is that well-organized conservatives have succeeded in convincing much of the nation that the value of imposing their preferences on others outweighs personal freedom. A fucking big reason for kicking that particular bucket, IMO. We need to re-desensitize from the effects of that pernicious, prissy social conservative oppression.

which has the political and medical views of Natural News.

See what Natural News thinks of 'Obamacare':

http://www.naturalnews.com/036341_Obamacare_new_taxes_mandate.html

and of government-supported healthcare in general and vaccinations in particular:

http://blogs.naturalnews.com/health-freedom-and-religious-liberty-under-attack-by-aap/


As regards the specifics: It's not a question of being against all non-western medicine; but if there was a reliable treatment for Ebola, western or non-western, there wouldn't be this epidemic in the first place!

and not terribly amusing.

I know two things for sure from my own experience:

The CDC lies about some medical crises, and for disgusting political reasons.

Herbs can save lives and restore health - have for thousands of years.

one thing herbs cannot do is cure ebola. and much as I respect herbal medicine, herbs have not saved nearly the number of lives as such breakthroughs as smallpox vaccines or polio vaccines or or or. the list goes on. only utter fools and scam artists completely reject these advances.

Likely, more than one approach will work.

But if there's no patent with Big Pharma we won't hear much about it.

or whatever are going to produce anything effective to cure or prevent ebola, you are wrong. and your ignorance is showing.

Guaranteed, and no tinfoil required.

Thus...

There is medicine that works, and there is the crap that quacks sell to people who we, as a society, have failed to educate in regard to science.

But there's always hope.

It is simple science and evidence based

who want to run around blathering on about how enlightened they are.

The Asian human body works the exact fucking same way as the European human body does.

The laws of math and science are the same in Africa as they are in America.

the two approaches. Read up - you'll learn something.

Western docs have borrowed quite a bit from Eastern Medicine in recent years.

Science is your friend. There is no such thing as "Eastern Medicine." It is a marketing label used by people in the West to con fools out of their money. Snake oil is snake oil, all around the world.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/oriental-medicine-a-tall-tale-of-outdated-lore/

Bolding - mine.

Far too many people buy into rather racist takes in order to support pseudoscience that has no basis in any part of the world when it comes to science.

I will bet dollars to donuts you don't even realize that most of the "alternative" crap is itself fucking western inventions.

whose healing constituents are extracted and then tweaked so that patents can be obtained.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Herbs, as in plants.

Thank you.

Pulling shit out of one's ass is easy. Proving that it does something is another thing, of course.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/acupuncture-doesnt-work/

Truly.

See here......

TYT: Ban Travel From West Africa? Ebola Fear Mongering Fox News Style
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017219373

After all, teabaggers don't really trust the CDC or WHO. They're all part of the conspiracy, especially if they ever develop a vaccine.

Sure snake oil peddlers can make a buck, but it's small 'taters compared to the enticers and backers of climate change deniers.
You can understand why Koch industries don't want people to look at the damage done by mountain top removal, strip mining, fracking and on and on and on.
Just follow the money.
Where the heck do you turn a profit encouraging antyvaxers?
I could be wrong, am probably wrong, but I just don't see sufficient money in snake oil to merit the cost of the campaign.

A lot of conservatives are against vaccines, even though they're produced by the big pharmaceutical companies.

Then again, a lot of conservatives are against medical marijuana, which would be a natural remedy.

Nobody ever accused them of being rational or consistent.

One day I'll learn.
As a general rule, things beloved by teapublicans do not necessarily need to make sense.

Still a pittance when compared to the F-135 or exporting tar sands oil.

War, Waist, Wanton consumerism; thats where you make the big bucks!

They are liars aiming to make themselves rich. The amount of money made by conning people is not the issue at hand.

So, it would not be odd at all.

Have you heard that eating whole lemons prevents cancer? Or that bathing in Himalayan salt rids the body of harmful toxins? That eating hijiki seaweed can delay hair graying? If you have a few Facebook friends, you’ve probably encountered some of these claims. The website Natural News —which seems like a parody but is unfortunately quite serious—published these preposterous stories, and many others just as silly, last week alone.

Hokum like this is best ignored, but hundreds of thousands of Americans fail to do so. Natural News has achieved astonishing traction on social media, garnering Facebook shares in the high five and low six figures. These numbers should trouble you—Natural News has an uncanny ability to move unsophisticated readers from harmless dietary balderdash to medical quackery to anti-government zealotry.

<snip>

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2014/02/natural_news_is_a_facebook_hit_never_click_on_itsr_stories_about_cancer.html

Top 10 Worst Anti-Science Websites

<snip>

1. Natural News

naturalnews.com
Alexa ranked #1,000
Google PageRank 6

When Natural News began, it was basically the blog and sales portal of anti-pharmaceutical activist Mike Adams. His basic premise has always been the Big Pharma conspiracy, the idea that the medical industry secretly wants to keep everyone sick, and conspires with the food industry to make people unhealthy, all driven by a massive plot of greed to sell poisonous medicines. Adams appears to have become a protégé of Alex Jones, for he now writes on Natural News at least as many police state conspiracy articles as he does anti-science based medicine articles. They carry ads for each other on their sites as well.

Some examples of current articles on Natural News are:

New World Order: Implantable RFID chips capable of remotely killing non-compliant 'slaves' are here

Vaccines lower immunity

Fluoride means lower IQs and more mental retardation

and of course:

Jumping rope and 9/11 truth - how the sheeple have been trained to avoid unpopular truth about WTC 7

Natural News' misleading title — I see very little on the site that I would think to classify as "natural news" — and pretense of being a health resource has helped it to become an often cited and heavily read site. For its frighteningly large influence, and abysmal quality of information, it earns the #1 spot on this list.

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4283

What exactly does that statement, an excerpt from the article, lead a person to believe?

Sure there's problems with the FDA a big pharma, but making a statement like that is downright irresponsible, and may get people killed.

Can you imagine if it did?

and whichever chill pill Big Pharma holds a patent on this year - preferably all at once!

Why is Natural News allowed to used as a source?

For an African disease?

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4283

And they've only gotten worse since 2011.

I can't tell you how happy it makes me to see more and more DUers realizing them for what they are, and speaking out forcefully against the kind of woo we get from Mike Adams and friends.



Sid

Homeostasis
Holistic
Organic
Chemicals
Natural

All co-opted by blithering idiots.

I even use homeopathy now and then (woo woo!). I think Natural News is an all out bullshit website full of lies and quackery. They are also rather Right Wing.

I tend to discredit any links to the site.

I like alternative medicine, but would not hesitate to use Western Medicine when necessary - I often do. And if I get the Ebola, my ass be in the hospital faster than you can say hemorrhagic fever.

I have seen people peddling essential oils as an Ebola preventative. Absolutely ridiculous.

It's weird.

...for a little scent. I have used lavender and tea tree essential oils for skin care stuff. I do not believe that essential oils should be ingested nor do I believe they cure a billion different ailments.

There are two companies that are especially bad - Young Living and doTerra . They are MLM companies and they peddle these oils as cure alls for $$$$$$$$$. Many of the sellers are rabid.

I think the FDA recently told them they can make such outlandish medical claims.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/09/24/fda-warns-three-companies-against-marketing-their-products-as-ebola-treatments-or-cures/

Thank you! Great article.

They dispense nothing but lies.