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Cerridwen

(13,260 posts)
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 06:34 PM Apr 2012

brewer's AZ bill and "menopause babies".

This is what happens when legislation isn't based on science.

As I understand the new law, the gestational age of the fetus is counting back to the last menstrual cycle of the woman. Is that correct?

Now, read and think about this:

When a woman goes through menopause, her body phases out menstrual cycles until they stop all together. The woman may go for months or even a year between having one period and the next. This long time frame is at the heart of the undiscovered menopause baby.

During the time when the female body is not having a menstrual cycle, the body may still be releasing those last few eggs. If the egg is released and there is a viable sperm waiting to fertilize the egg, the female can, and will, get pregnant.

Thanks to the lack of a normal menstrual cycle, the female may not notice they are pregnant until they are months into the pregnancy. There have even been cases where mothers of climbing age have gone to the hospital with stomach and back pains only to leave the hospital a few days later with a baby in their arms.


From this link: http://www.babymed.com/gettting-pregnant-during-menopause

"A year between having one period and the next"

Based on an exceptional case, it is conceivable (pun intended) that the gestational age of the fetus - based on the AZ law - would make what would normally be a 16-week pregnancy (~4 months) into a 16 month pregnancy? I wonder how many 21-month-old babies will be born in AZ in the coming months and years? *sigh*





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brewer's AZ bill and "menopause babies". (Original Post) Cerridwen Apr 2012 OP
Nothing like 'unintended consequences!' elleng Apr 2012 #1
I'm trying to imagine other "unintended consequenses" Cerridwen Apr 2012 #5
I'm betting that no one consulted a board certified OB-Gyn when they wrote this abomination MrScorpio Apr 2012 #2
I'm betting no one bothered to consult a nominally sane woman Cerridwen Apr 2012 #3
I once worked with a woman who was takig birth control. She had 1monster Apr 2012 #6
OMG! I forgot about that aspect. Cerridwen Apr 2012 #9
Obviously, there will be a need for a whole new agency.. The Pad Police SoCalDem Apr 2012 #16
I was thinking RFID chips with some sort of Cerridwen Apr 2012 #18
Of course they didn't, all OB-GYN docs are "baby killer abortionists" in their minds. Odin2005 Apr 2012 #25
I wasn't anywhere near menopause marybourg Apr 2012 #4
Most of the numbers I've read, show that if women didn't vote, Cerridwen Apr 2012 #8
Since there are more women voters than men voters marybourg Apr 2012 #11
The Forrest Gump Administration? K&R Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #7
I was thinking Idiocracy; but Forrest Gump works, too. n/t Cerridwen Apr 2012 #14
I nursed my daughter round the clock HockeyMom Apr 2012 #10
Thank you. Cerridwen Apr 2012 #13
Will be interesting - 2nd highest number of unintended pregnancies is women in their 40s Iris Apr 2012 #12
*sigh* No kidding. Cerridwen Apr 2012 #15
You said it well. Iris Apr 2012 #24
Thanks, Iris. Cerridwen Apr 2012 #26
How did it happen? Iris Apr 2012 #27
Population boom? Cerridwen Apr 2012 #28
I don't see how this bill can survive a court challenge RainDog Apr 2012 #17
I would agree if I had more "faith" in the courts these days. Cerridwen Apr 2012 #19
I vacillate RainDog Apr 2012 #22
I too, vacillate, in much the same manner. Cerridwen Apr 2012 #23
not just menopause greymattermom Apr 2012 #20
I'm receiving quite the education from this thread. Cerridwen Apr 2012 #21

Cerridwen

(13,260 posts)
5. I'm trying to imagine other "unintended consequenses"
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 06:45 PM
Apr 2012

of having a baby born at 21-months.

Insurance premiums? Social security numbers, benefits and Medicare eligibility, etc.? The draft, school age...

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
2. I'm betting that no one consulted a board certified OB-Gyn when they wrote this abomination
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 06:40 PM
Apr 2012

Any one worth his or her salt would have told these law making fools that they were full of it.

Cerridwen

(13,260 posts)
3. I'm betting no one bothered to consult a nominally sane woman
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 06:43 PM
Apr 2012

who would be aware of "menopause babies" and other such fun facts about menstrual cycles, pregnancy, and all those other "icky" girl things.

I truly miss a country that talked of going to the moon rather than spelunking in my uterus.

1monster

(11,012 posts)
6. I once worked with a woman who was takig birth control. She had
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 06:46 PM
Apr 2012

her menses every month. She went in for her annual (on edit) check up and was told, much to her surprise, that she was five months pregnant.

(I've heard of many women who have continued their periods for a few monts after becoming pregnant. How is Arizona gonna deal with that kind of situation? Inquiring minds want to know.

Cerridwen

(13,260 posts)
9. OMG! I forgot about that aspect.
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 06:50 PM
Apr 2012

Can you imagine? Her cycle continues and so she's pregnancy minus x-months pregnant?

My head hurts.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
16. Obviously, there will be a need for a whole new agency.. The Pad Police
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 07:18 PM
Apr 2012

They will fan out in neighborhoods, examining and collecting used pads/tampons, depositing them into dated ziploc baggies & stored for future reference in case a pregnancy occurs. females will probably be required to sign & date a monthly document.

Who knows? Maybe there will be PSA announcements on TV...a la the old cigarette ads.. "Show us your..."

Cerridwen

(13,260 posts)
18. I was thinking RFID chips with some sort of
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 07:25 PM
Apr 2012

perpetual-pregnancy monitor with color-coded warnings like our national security warnings.

Yellow: thinking about getting preggers
Orange: actually having sex!
Red: the sperm is in "the building"!!! REPEAT!!! The sperm is IN "THE BUILDING"!!!!

Or whatever. My sense of humor is rather impaired about this topic.

marybourg

(12,639 posts)
4. I wasn't anywhere near menopause
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 06:44 PM
Apr 2012

when that happened to me. Conceived 4 months after last period. Much confusion which could have turned into a nightmare had this been an unwanted or troubled pregnancy in the land where legislators are playing amateur gynecologist. But these guys wouldn't be in office if WOMEN weren't voting for them.

Cerridwen

(13,260 posts)
8. Most of the numbers I've read, show that if women didn't vote,
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 06:49 PM
Apr 2012

it would be mostly repubs who are elected.

It's women who elect Democrats. (speaking in generalities for brevity not for inclusion of all).

Yeah, there are women who vote repub; mostly white and mostly married, but generally speaking, women lean Democratic. It's more complex than that but that's the general idea.



marybourg

(12,639 posts)
11. Since there are more women voters than men voters
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 07:00 PM
Apr 2012

and since some (many) men vote democratic, it' s clear that those turds would not be in office if ( some large percentage, but probably less than half) of WOMEN didn't vote for them. I said nothing about women NOT voting.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
10. I nursed my daughter round the clock
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 06:57 PM
Apr 2012

Never got my period. At 3 months she got a cold and didn't nurse as much for a week. I got a tiny bit of staining that month. My check up was only a week after that. When my doctor examined me, he asked if my periods had returned. I said no, except for the straining. He said from his exam, he thought I might have conceived but with the breastfeeding and no normal return of periods, the embryo probably could not implant. So, breastfeeding probably "killed a baby", while feeding another.

On menopause. it can take YEARS to fully finish. For me it took about 3 years before anything resembling a period stopped. Fortunately, my husband had a vasectomy long before so it didn't matter for me. My Aunt had a "change of life" pregnancy at 48 and she aborted it, even when it was illegal. Both she, and her husband, did not want a child younger than their grandchild.

Cerridwen

(13,260 posts)
13. Thank you.
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 07:13 PM
Apr 2012

Yet another "exception" to the new rule.

I am absolutely gob-smacked that there are laws being passed based on "religious" belief.



Iris

(15,671 posts)
12. Will be interesting - 2nd highest number of unintended pregnancies is women in their 40s
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 07:03 PM
Apr 2012

Last edited Sat Apr 14, 2012, 09:13 PM - Edit history (1)

only 2nd to teenagers.

Arizona - what a shit hole

Cerridwen

(13,260 posts)
15. *sigh* No kidding.
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 07:15 PM
Apr 2012

I have family in AZ. Some of the people I've met there were okay. Others...then there are the others.

Cerridwen

(13,260 posts)
26. Thanks, Iris.
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 10:17 PM
Apr 2012

It's become so bad there for her, she comes here for vacations now rather than us going there. It's even affected her step-dad, a 60s hippie, who is getting caught up in the authoritarian mind-set. Just ugly. Horrifically ugly in a land that can be quite beautiful with sunsets "to die for."

Iris

(15,671 posts)
27. How did it happen?
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 10:22 PM
Apr 2012

I mean, Arizona is one of those places people could go to "reinvent" themselves b/c everything was so new so why is it going backwards?

Cerridwen

(13,260 posts)
28. Population boom?
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 10:42 PM
Apr 2012

I don't know. My relationship with AZ is only about 7 years old. It was pretty messed up by the time I started having anything to do with it.

Her brother says it's the influx of people from around the US. He's more of a cynic than I. We're both of the opinion it has a lot to do with the 'sun chasers.' I'm native Nevadan. It's much the same as what has happened here.

Sort of like the 'idiocy' existed elsewhere has expanded and moved southwest. Meh, maybe they can't take the heat.



RainDog

(28,784 posts)
17. I don't see how this bill can survive a court challenge
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 07:20 PM
Apr 2012

it's ridiculous to claim someone is pregnant before she's pregnant. That has to be one of the stupidest bits of legislation I have ever seen.

Cerridwen

(13,260 posts)
19. I would agree if I had more "faith" in the courts these days.
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 07:26 PM
Apr 2012

I guess I've gone full-on cynical rather than just nominally a pain-in-the-ass kind of cynical.



RainDog

(28,784 posts)
22. I vacillate
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 07:50 PM
Apr 2012

between "all is lost" and "maybe today someone will do something legislatively in this nation that doesn't smell like Scalia's ass."

Cerridwen

(13,260 posts)
23. I too, vacillate, in much the same manner.
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 07:52 PM
Apr 2012

However, that visual you just gave me, has me looking for the bunny with the cheese grater to get the image out of my mind's eye!

LOL

Ewwwwwwwwwwwww.

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
20. not just menopause
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 07:29 PM
Apr 2012

women with polycystic ovary syndrome who become pregnant will have the same problem. It probably happened to Kate Gosselin.

Cerridwen

(13,260 posts)
21. I'm receiving quite the education from this thread.
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 07:33 PM
Apr 2012

Thank you, greymattermom.

By the way, intriguing name and sig-line.

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