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madokie

(51,076 posts)
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 12:32 PM Oct 2014

Painkiller Deaths Drop By 25% in Medical Marijuana States

Marijuana advocates have long known that the holy plant can be a great replacement for other types of addiction that come with the use of more dangerous substances like OxyContin, heroin or alcohol. A study published in JAMA Internal Medicine, a scholarly journal, now provides further evidence of the good marijuana legalization can do. The study shows how opioid overdoses have declined in 13 medical marijuana states.

According to the study reported on by Newsweek on Monday,

“America has a major problem with prescription pain medications like Vicodin and OxyContin. Overdose deaths from these pharmaceutical opioids have approximately tripled since 1991, and every day 46 people die of such overdoses in the United States.”

However, opposed to the rest of America’s increased rates, in the 13 states that passed medical marijuana laws prior to 2010, opioid overdoses declined by 24.8%. Those states were California (1996), Oregon (1998), Washington (1998), Alaska (1998), Maine (1998), Colorado (2000), Hawaii (2000), Nevada (2000), Montana (2004), Vermont (2004), Rhode Island (2006), New Mexico (2007) and Michigan (2008).

The article goes on to point out that the reduction in overdoses is not necessarily linked to a substitution of marijuana for opioids, but like we continually note, it certainly makes a great replacement. And it sounds about right.

http://marijuana.com/news/2014/08/painkiller-deaths-drop-by-25-in-medical-marijuana-states/

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Painkiller Deaths Drop By 25% in Medical Marijuana States (Original Post) madokie Oct 2014 OP
CBD IS A VERY EFFECTIVE pain killer grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #1
For all UglyGreed Oct 2014 #3
Well, you're asking someone who got crowns without any anesthetic, so yes, grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #4
Well you are UglyGreed Oct 2014 #11
there are other ways to get the pain killing properties of weed besides smoking a joint Beaverhausen Oct 2014 #5
LOL UglyGreed Oct 2014 #7
People could UglyGreed Oct 2014 #15
alcohol is not a painkiller Beaverhausen Oct 2014 #25
I know, your UglyGreed Oct 2014 #39
also smoking UglyGreed Oct 2014 #40
I think that would be the THC-Delta 9...... DeSwiss Oct 2014 #30
Helps with insomnia too! grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #33
So you would UglyGreed Oct 2014 #2
In a heart beat madokie Oct 2014 #6
I have Peripheral Neuropathy UglyGreed Oct 2014 #9
Narcotics aren't one size fits all, either. Mariana Oct 2014 #12
This is my point UglyGreed Oct 2014 #17
I'm not saying it is madokie Oct 2014 #14
My headaches are UglyGreed Oct 2014 #18
I agree. Pot just makes me more detached from the pain cali Oct 2014 #16
And I would UglyGreed Oct 2014 #20
Yeah, I tried everything from cali Oct 2014 #23
Ditto! Have the same disease but have to take opioids for it because allergic to everything else Dustlawyer Oct 2014 #31
not to be rude but who is stopping you UglyGreed Oct 2014 #38
Oklahoma doesn't have mmj madokie Oct 2014 #41
I understand UglyGreed Oct 2014 #45
Certain types, I suppose. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #8
Been there UglyGreed Oct 2014 #10
It is UglyGreed Oct 2014 #13
Yeah, that's why I decided to differentiate Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #19
Well yeah, as indigenous in Mexico told Hippies, it's a PAIN KILLER not for recreation UTUSN Oct 2014 #21
Self-kick for long lost visibility n/t UTUSN Oct 2014 #35
Good! Treant Oct 2014 #22
Yeah, but I bet Marijuana deaths are way up. Iggo Oct 2014 #24
I think we'll still looking for that first one madokie Oct 2014 #26
Indeed. Iggo Oct 2014 #27
thanks riversedge Oct 2014 #28
You are welcome madokie Oct 2014 #29
In other news, Frito-Lay is clueless as to why there is a cheetos shortage in some states... wyldwolf Oct 2014 #32
In other news, death by heroin OD have exploded in Michigan Kaleva Oct 2014 #34
heroin deaths are up in colorado, too fizzgig Oct 2014 #42
I think it's more accurate to say people are switching from prescription drugs to cheaper heroin Kaleva Oct 2014 #44
That's amazing malaise Oct 2014 #36
Pain relief is a complex medical problem AngryAmish Oct 2014 #37
I've been thinking of asking for this daredtowork Oct 2014 #43

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
3. For all
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 12:48 PM
Oct 2014

types of pain??? Are you willing to have an operation and have the nurse hand you a joint afterwards?

Beaverhausen

(24,470 posts)
25. alcohol is not a painkiller
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 03:02 PM
Oct 2014

well, not an effective one anyway.


My husband has herniated discs in his back and uses MJ in addition to his pain management meds, which he can take far less of.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
39. I know, your
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 02:49 PM
Oct 2014

icon lead to my remark, it was not appropriate. Glad your husband is allowed to use what he feels is best for him.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
40. also smoking
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 03:10 PM
Oct 2014

is easiest and cheapest way to use MJJ which many people who suffer from chronic pain also suffer from lack of funds. This why the law that they just passed in NY stinks.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
30. I think that would be the THC-Delta 9......
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 03:17 PM
Oct 2014

... that deals mostly with the pain (and all those other goodies, of course).

- But the CBD does help. It does a whole lot of other great things too. Like curing cancer.....

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madokie

(51,076 posts)
6. In a heart beat
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 12:54 PM
Oct 2014

I don't like pain meds but I like to function at some level except rolled up in a ball crying so I take the pain meds. I had to quit the pot smoking in order to keep the pain meds coming. If we had medical marijuana I'd drop the pain meds so fast it would make your head spin but we don't and probably won't in my life time. I really don't want to check out of this world in prison or broke so I gave up the pot.
Pot is a good pain med for Peripheral Neuropathy of which I have but don't tell the politicians that because they might have to rethink their stance on medical marijuana

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
9. I have Peripheral Neuropathy
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 12:58 PM
Oct 2014

and it really did nothing for my pain. Never mind the constant headaches I suffer from. Pot is not one size fits all and anyone who says it is misinformed.

Mariana

(14,857 posts)
12. Narcotics aren't one size fits all, either.
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 01:05 PM
Oct 2014

Many people can't take them at all because of allergies and/or side effects.

People who are suffering from pain should take whatever works best for them. The government should not be in the business of preventing them from doing so.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
14. I'm not saying it is
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 01:06 PM
Oct 2014

for me it sure works though. I've never had a head ache from smoking pot either

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
18. My headaches are
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 01:10 PM
Oct 2014

from Hydrocephalus AKA water on the brain which no one can tell me how it happened, perhaps being undertreated for pain???

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
16. I agree. Pot just makes me more detached from the pain
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 01:07 PM
Oct 2014

I have a mess of stuff going on in my left foot and leg as a result of having shattered it 3 years ago- CRPS which is neuro-vascular, traumatic arthritis and nerve damage- not to mention the pain from from multiple rods, pins and plates.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
20. And I would
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 01:25 PM
Oct 2014

not want you lose ANYTHING that might give you some relief, be it pot, opiates, Serotonin, Corticosteroids and Tricyclic Antidepressants which I have tried and the one with least amount of side effects was the opiate. For example Celebrex was one the first medications I took and within a year I developed a hiatal hernia. Never mind having to go to be tested for AIDS, Hepatitis and other diseases when my former pain management doctor was too cheap to use fresh needles. I may never find relief but I don't want anyone to go down the road I have traveled.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
23. Yeah, I tried everything from
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 03:00 PM
Oct 2014

sympathetic nerve blocks to multiple drugs. For me, opiates, used judiciously, have been the most effective. But beyond that, I think exercise, diet and meditation have been even more important

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
31. Ditto! Have the same disease but have to take opioids for it because allergic to everything else
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 03:17 PM
Oct 2014

they tried. Pot works on neuropathy very well, but special interests like the police, Big Pharma, and Alcohol Lobby's influence keep it illegal to make more money!

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
38. not to be rude but who is stopping you
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 02:46 PM
Oct 2014

from quitting pain management and going back to using marijuana? You made the choice of giving up MJJ and go to pain management which IMO tells me that pot wasn't working too well at the time.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
41. Oklahoma doesn't have mmj
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 04:02 PM
Oct 2014

and I'm 66 years old too damn old to continue to worry with a bust and winding up in jail or losing what we've been working for these last 25 years.
I had to quit the pot to continue to get the meds.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
45. I understand
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 01:37 PM
Oct 2014

so in the best scenario you would use both if the laws would allow. It's a crying shame.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
8. Certain types, I suppose.
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 12:56 PM
Oct 2014

Though in general, I prefer to simply tough it out. I remember after I had my appendix out, they hooked me up to an opioid-delivering pump and told me to press the button to self-deliver painkiller. I don't recall ever pressing the button, in part because I didn't want to get charged for extra meds.

But if I had chronic pain, I might be open to using 'chronic' as relief.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
13. It is
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 01:06 PM
Oct 2014

hard to tough it our for over twenty years. Studies show that when pain goes untreated it actually can cause brain damage. I toughed it out for ten years before I started taking ANY medication for the pain. Now that I look back it may be the very reason I suffer so much today.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
19. Yeah, that's why I decided to differentiate
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 01:16 PM
Oct 2014

between acute (appendix extraction) and chronic pain. If there's something out there that chronic pain sufferers can use that isn't an opioid, more power to them.

UTUSN

(70,696 posts)
21. Well yeah, as indigenous in Mexico told Hippies, it's a PAIN KILLER not for recreation
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 01:27 PM
Oct 2014

"For when a woman is giving birth or when a man breaks a limb."

Treant

(1,968 posts)
22. Good!
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 02:17 PM
Oct 2014

If this can be used as an alternate for some people, fantastic.

I still want the nice, hefty painkillers available for use, however--never throw a valid weapon away just because it has some problems. And some people are not going to respond to pot, or tolerate it well, just like I don't do well on codeine for acute pain.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
29. You are welcome
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 03:08 PM
Oct 2014

Thats what makes this place so good. As we each find something of interest we can share it with our fellow DU'rs. In the end we're all better equipped to handle the days ups and downs, ins and outs.

Kaleva

(36,305 posts)
34. In other news, death by heroin OD have exploded in Michigan
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 03:40 PM
Oct 2014

From the article in the OP:

"However, opposed to the rest of America’s increased rates, in the 13 states that passed medical marijuana laws prior to 2010, opioid overdoses declined by 24.8%. Those states were California (1996), Oregon (1998), Washington (1998), Alaska (1998), Maine (1998), Colorado (2000), Hawaii (2000), Nevada (2000), Montana (2004), Vermont (2004), Rhode Island (2006), New Mexico (2007) and Michigan (2008)."

http://marijuana.com/news/2014/08/painkiller-deaths-drop-by-25-in-medical-marijuana-states/


From an article discussing an increase in heroin use in Michigan:

"Recent statistics from the Michigan Department of Community Health show heroin overdose deaths in Michigan increased from 271 in the four-year period of 1999 to 2002 to 728 between 2010 and 2012."

http://woodtv.com/2014/07/20/michigan-heroin-use-od-deaths-increase/

fizzgig

(24,146 posts)
42. heroin deaths are up in colorado, too
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 04:30 PM
Oct 2014

we also have one of the highest rates of painkiller abuse.

Kaleva

(36,305 posts)
44. I think it's more accurate to say people are switching from prescription drugs to cheaper heroin
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 07:22 PM
Oct 2014

and this is why overdoses from prescriptions drugs are dropping.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
37. Pain relief is a complex medical problem
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 10:05 PM
Oct 2014

I think MJ has an important rile to play.

However, this is a misleading stat. DOJ has been cracking down on oxy and the ilk. People are getting off pills and going to heroin. Thus, legal painkiller deaths go down, heroin deaths up.

The is not a cure for cancer. Or addiction. But MJ is pretty benign.

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
43. I've been thinking of asking for this
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 05:14 PM
Oct 2014

I'm not sure if my condition qualifies, but I also can't take most standard pain relievers, and frankly I'm just curious if medical marijuana works. Also my area just voted to make it free for for low income people. I find it kind of astounding that they don't address the housing crisis and the fact social services has no program to supply basic necessities beyond food, but they will pony up for free weed. But it is what it is.

I've never smoked or done any drugs beyond what has been prescribed to me. I've avoided both narcotics and opiates because I already have a lot of fatigue, and I didn't want to be sleepy during the day.

The neural-based medications I take now work somewhat, but not completely. I'd like to try something additional. Maybe there's an alternative to smoking and brownies. I heard in Washington, D.C. they mixed marijuana into some sort of drink...? Maybe there will be a weed cafe here, and I can see if those drinks do anything for me.

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