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RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 05:13 PM Oct 2014

Religious theme park is demanding millions of dollars in taxpayer subsidies & wants discrimination!

I never cease to be amazed, no words for this one ...

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/week-god-101114?cid=eml_mra_20141011

At issue is a theme park called Ark Encounter, created by the creationist group Answers in Genesis, which will feature a 510-foot reproduction of Noah’s Ark. To help bolster the attraction, state officials in Kentucky agreed to $18 million in tax subsidies to help Ark Encounter’s finances.


The developer of a Noah’s Ark-based theme park in Kentucky said on Wednesday he would fight for his religious rights after state officials warned he could lose millions in potential tax credits if he hires only people who believe in the biblical flood.

State officials and Ark Encounter lawyers have exchanged letters in which the state threatened not to proceed with tax incentives for the park if there was discriminatory hiring practices, a state official confirmed on Wednesday.
Specifically, all Ark Encounter employees are required to sign a “statement of faith,” in which workers agree that the planet is only 6,000 years old.


Indeed, Reuters’ report noted that Ark Encounter’s executive president, Mike Zovath, “said that if tax incentives for the project are withdrawn because it does not give written assurances the state now seeks, it would violate the organization’s First Amendment and state constitutional rights.”
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4Anthony

(2 posts)
13. But typical.
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 08:42 PM
Oct 2014

These are those same God fearing, Bible pounding, Jesus loving fundamentalists who want to eliminate the SNAP (food stamp) and housing assistance programs for those who need help (Jesus would have done just that - at least in THEIR Bible), cut veterans benefits and healthcare, take affordable healthcare away from millions of Americans, and, among many other things, go to a land war again in Iraq, this time to kill the ISIS who are threatening to kill Christians.....God's only chosen people on the earth.

Frankly, I gave up on Christianity; Jesus was a good teacher but Christianity sucks. And the Christians ignore the fact that their Jesus was a dark haired, dark eyed, dark skinned, middle eastern bleeding heart liberal Jew who hated the capitalist money system and...was NEVER a Christian. He also had long hair, a beard, wore sandals and a dress. He taught against judging others as you might be judged yourself. The Christian fundamentalists are much like the Islamic fundamentalists in their pushing of their religion.

I would suggest it unconstitutional for the government to give a private business amusement park any support or subsidies or tax credits as that would be a violation of the 1st Amendment's separation of church and state. They can talk and preach all they want and they don't need taxpayer's money to be able to do that; they can pay for their own religion. Many states allow churches (houses of worship) tax breaks on their donation income and property. BUT....this is a for profit enterprise - a preaching amusement park - and would not qualify under IRS Code 501(c)(3) exemption for a church or religion. But then, Christians have been cheating and corrupt since the Catholic Church rewrote the Bible at the Council of Nicaea in 325AD to give them power to tax the monarchies of Europe....and left out about half of what was written in the ancient texts and edited the rest to give them dominion over mankind.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
16. Christianity in this country today is a ruse, with charismatic preachers making a ton off of the
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 12:25 AM
Oct 2014

naive faithful flocks.

Cartoonist

(7,320 posts)
2. Mixed emotions
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 05:31 PM
Oct 2014

I'm appalled that the state of Kentucky would give tax subsidies to a church that isn't really a church.

I applaud their decision to withhold those tax breaks due to their discrimination.

Are these the same people?

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
3. Probably, it's all a little weird to me. I would rather see the money going to a science museum. n/t
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 05:43 PM
Oct 2014

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
5. Tax breaks and credits are given to all kinds of corporations by states and municipalities
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 06:13 PM
Oct 2014

This isn't a religious/church tax exemption - it is a typical corporate tax break (you set up shop here, create jobs, help local economy, etc and we'll give you a tax break).

Just trying to clarify it - not defending it. Less than a mile from where I sit, a large pharma company built a massive complex, hired lots of people, and scored major tax breaks for doing so. Ten or so years later, they 'downsized' and shut it down, leaving thousands with no jobs (and a big empty eyesore). And of course, didn't have to pay back any of the tax breaks. And while they did provide jobs for some amount of time, along with helping smaller businesses in the vicinity, their massive profits went elsewhere. Took advantage of the tax breaks and then bailed.

Anyway, I don't think the potential tax breaks here have anything to do with religion/church.

I, too, am happy to see the state is attaching strings about fair hiring practices to the breaks.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
10. What bothers me is it fosters and promotes erroneous beliefs. Yep, I'm pleased too to
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 07:05 PM
Oct 2014

see the state "attaching strings about fair hiring practices to the breaks."

4Anthony

(2 posts)
14. What they plan to do
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 08:52 PM
Oct 2014

is a violation of Federal Equal Employment law as they discriminate a person because of their religion. I would love to see a potential employee refuse to sign their required religious declaration and then file a Federal lawsuit of discrimination. I would think (but might be wrong) that even the conservative justices of the SCOTUS would see this as unlawful discrimination.

Volaris

(10,273 posts)
15. Not after Hobby Lobby decision..
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 09:33 PM
Oct 2014

Given the precedent set there, my bet there would be the business wins their case.
Besides, if Kentucky is a Right to Work State, it doesn't WHY you don't get hired. Right?

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
8. state govs give breaks to corporations to build in their states. state govs alse protect
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 07:00 PM
Oct 2014

workers against discrimination.

i do not get your angst.

Cartoonist

(7,320 posts)
11. I see, but still do not approve.
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 07:08 PM
Oct 2014

I understand the idea of giving tax breaks to companies in order to stimulate the local economy, but these are usually companies with a proven record of stability or a business plan that makes sense. This Ark business is just two white elephants (male and female) with a religious angle up front. A dubious investment for the state to say the least, and one that should have been rejected at the first drop.

Cartoonist

(7,320 posts)
7. In other threads
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 06:56 PM
Oct 2014

In the Religion group, for one, people try to apologize for the bible by saying it is often just a collection of morality tales and is not to be taken as literally true. I don't get that here. It seems to me that AiG takes their bible seriously.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
9. fundamentalists are literalists. most christians are not fundamental and do not take the bible
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 07:01 PM
Oct 2014

literally

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