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RE: "How could DU'ers be fooled by John Edwards? Because you chose to be fooled."
I put this together at the height of communication problems with DU3. When I hit post, the page froze.
About ten minutes later I thought better of it. I decided, I finally had bury my feelings about the 2004 primaries. But for over half and hour I couldn't get back onto DU. Each occasion I tried, O go got another time out. Eventually I gave up. I wasn't ever sure, if the OP get posted.
This is the last occasion I will write anything about John Edwards. In my opinion 2004 we had two genuine capital P progressives running IMO, Howard Dean and Wes Clark. I would have been happy with either of them. By progressive I mean classical progressive, people in office who would challenge "invisible government, owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people". How often do Democrats get a real shot, at nominating a electable progressive for president.
In my opinion we had two. Dean was taken down by media, Clark crushed by narrative to a Kerry vs Edwards two man race. Please, I do not want to revisit Dean v Clark, the only thing I want to say were both were strong social reformers as well.
When ended up with a Liberal - John Kerry who after all those years in Washington had learnt the rules of the game. a firm liberal but not a progressive. And then we also had John Edwards, VP nominee. But JE was not talking about corporate power, and corporate democrats then: that came later in the 2007-08. In 2004, only Dean was explicitly talking taking the system on, and, as far as I know, Clark was the first primary candidate to grace the cover of The Advocate.
My abiding frustration is that I was sure Edwards was a phony in 2004. Every intuition I had screamed fake. When he positioned himself as a firm progressive in 2007, I still felt the same. But in 2004, I was so sure, I was literally screaming it.
I have nothing to say about Edward's affair, or the current politically motivated trial. I believe I will always morn the 2004, but it's time to but those emotions away in a drawer. Time to move on.
So again, my apologies that earlier OP did not get self deleted. Kicking a man when he's down is not what I'm about. You wont see any more posts along those lines again from me
quinnox
(20,600 posts)I just thought its interesting how you use "we", as if you were an American. That's interesting that some people in other countries follow US politics so closely.
About the apology to general discussion forum, I wouldn't worry about it. I doubt many people remember many threads anyway or are holding some kind of grudge for a thread you posted...
denem
(11,045 posts)'We' now hove a grandson. We, I guess meant DU. I was following DU at the time, and participating on Wes Clark's board, and Dean for America.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)I thought something like that might be the case, not that people can't be interested or follow American politics from other countries who don't happen to be married to one, especially countries like Australia, and the UK, I noticed many from there seem to really follow the American politics, but married to an American, that would make it a close subject.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)by JE. I ignored (rather huffily) the "I feel pretty" video on youtube. I bought the narrative of the loving husband, attentive to his sick wife's needs. I cried so hard when I read her account of their son's death I literally had to stop reading and put the book aside. I liked the fact that he was the only one talking about the two Americas and highlighting the plight of the poor in our country. I had been devastated by Kerry's loss in 04.
I feel I was suckered now but I can see how my own feelings colored my thinking on him. While I don't berate myself for this, I do think of it as a "lesson learned" and have vowed never to do it again.
P.S. I liked Clark and Dean. I was disappointed that Clark didn't make it further than he did. I certainly didn't diss him over Edwards.
denem
(11,045 posts)With hindsight, he was the just right man to sink the swiftboaters, and there was no questioned he was qualified to be Commander in Chief. I still remember when he endorsed Kerry - 'Army, to Navy, permission to come onboard'. Oh well, I'll always be morning those primaries. As for 2008, a lot of progressive DU'ers who backed Edwards, left for good. It's not so much the man, Edwards, it's the polemic and the people he took down with him. I'm glad your still here.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)some of the internal politics here, so maybe you're right.
I would have loved to see Clark advanced and put in at VP. I guess it was just politics, plus the idea that JE would have more appeal to the South (which didn't pan out). And I couldn't understand how the voters would treat two Yalies, both members of Skull and Bones, so differently. It just didn't make sense to me...
Bake
(21,977 posts)I liked him a lot. And Dr. Dean, of course, is still around.
Bake