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B2G

(9,766 posts)
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 02:29 PM Oct 2014

It's a damn good thing Frieden wasn't in charge of Apollo 13

They'd all be dead.

I would have a smidgen of confidence in the man if he would quit saying there's nothing wrong with his goddamn protocols. Fact is they don't know WHAT went wrong, but it's obvious to anyone with a brain cell that the protocols need to be revisited and either changed or SHORED UP. Are they doing that? Fine...then say so!

When someone evidently does something so minor to get infected and has no idea how it happened, then Houston, we have a problem. Either something isn't clear or deficient. FIX IT.

Typical stupid governement bureaucrat covering his ass.

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AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
1. Nothing seriously wrong with the protocols that I could see.
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 02:33 PM
Oct 2014

Unfortunately, as much as I hate to say this, it's kinda obvious that the nurse here in D/FW *had* to have slipped up somewhere. This disease isn't like the flu; you *have* to be in direct contact with contaminants.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
7. Someone got infected
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 04:05 PM
Oct 2014

I'm not sure how "nothing wrong with the protocols" is what happened in this case.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
17. Well, I can say that it doesn't hurt to be cautious.
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 08:02 PM
Oct 2014

But don't you think that there would have been far more workers infected, if that really was the case, instead of just this one other person?

Again, I don't think it hurts to take every precaution possible, but I do believe Occam's Razor applies quite well here.




pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
12. If the protocols are too difficult for conscientious staff to follow, they must be improved
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 05:23 PM
Oct 2014

or strengthened.

In this case, they probably need to have supervision while taking off the protective garments, as they do in the special centers in Nebraska and Atlanta.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
3. Obviously
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 02:38 PM
Oct 2014

Because a set of protocals written by the CDC who is using certain assumptions in writing them couldn't possibly contain the slightest flaw.

They are written in stone, precise and can be taken as gospel.

BTW, have you seen them? In detail?

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
6. And CDC is revising the protocols.
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 04:05 PM
Oct 2014

If the protocols were working (as CDC claims) why are they revising them?

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
13. Not true. It is possible that the protocols aren't adequate.
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 05:25 PM
Oct 2014

For instance, they might need to add to the protocol a stipulation that staff members be supervised while they're removing their protective garments, as they are in Nebraska and Atlanta.

Spazito

(50,473 posts)
4. The crew of Apollo 13 would be dead if those in charge were...
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 02:56 PM
Oct 2014

the 'hair on fire' people some seem to think would do better. To quote a line from the movie and, quite possibly actually said by Gene Krantz:


"Let's work the problem, people. Let's not make things any worse by guessing."

The director of the CDC is doing exactly that, working the problem.


underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
10. a protocol breach caused the second case of Ebola
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 05:14 PM
Oct 2014

as in human error as in the phucking nurse didn't follow personal protective procedures.

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
14. They haven't shown she didn't follow protocol. They are merely assuming that because they are sure
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 05:27 PM
Oct 2014

their protocols are perfect.

And yet they are revising these perfect protocols. I wonder why.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
15. That's the most likely & plausible cause for this.
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 07:58 PM
Oct 2014
And yet they are revising these perfect protocols. I wonder why.


An abundance of caution, no doubt. Although, that's certainly not a bad thing, in my opinion, especially given how many failures have happened in those three certain West African countries so far.
 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
16. Occam's Razor says that's the most believable explanation.
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 08:01 PM
Oct 2014

Because this hasn't happened anywhere else in the U.S. yet, and we've had a few others in other areas of the country.....only here in Dallas, have there been any problems.

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