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jpak

(41,758 posts) Sun Apr 15, 2012, 09:39 AM Apr 2012

This is what Stand Your Ground allows murderers to get away with in FL

http://www.pressherald.com/news/Stand-Your-Ground-gives-Zimmerman-extra-chances-in-legal-fight.html

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Last month, a Miami-Dade County judge ruled that Greyston Garcia was immune under the law even though he chased down a suspected car stereo thief and stabbed him to death, then went home and went to sleep. The judge ruled Garcia used justifiable force because the thief swung a bag of radios at him that could "lead to serious bodily injury or death." Prosecutors are appealing.

In Tampa last year, investigators decided not to file charges against 62-year-old Alcisviados Polanco, who used an ice pick to fatally stab 20-year-old Wathson Adelson following a road rage confrontation. Authorities said there was no evidence to disprove Polanco's claim of self-defense.

Two years ago in Miami, a pair of Florida Power & Light workers were accosted by a mobile home resident armed with a rifle. The resident, Ernesto Che Vino, struck one utility worker on the head and fired shots in the air as they fled to their vehicle. A judge ruled that Vino's actions were justified because he was in fear for his life.

Numbers compiled by the FBI suggest many states saw modest or even sharp increases in the number of homicides by private citizens that were classified as justifiable after enacting a "stand your ground" law or amending existing self-defense laws.

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Get Away with Murder Laws

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This is what Stand Your Ground allows murderers to get away with in FL (Original Post) jpak Apr 2012 OP

SYG = Legal Murder no_hypocrisy Apr 2012 #1

Insanity promoted by the GOP, the NRA, ALEC, baldguy Apr 2012 #2

Just wait until some guy gets away safeinOhio Apr 2012 #3

Exactly.... This Martin-Zimmerman case has opened up the opportunity for that kind of thinking. FarPoint Apr 2012 #6

"Florida, we grow stupid right next to our oranges" rustydog Apr 2012 #4

I CALL FOR A NATIONAL BOYCOTT OF FLORIDA gopiscrap Apr 2012 #5

Me. FarPoint Apr 2012 #7

Not dissing the idea.. 99Forever Apr 2012 #8

Are you going to call for a national boycott of the other 27 states who 1monster Apr 2012 #9

Good idea - let's do it jpak Apr 2012 #10

I would start one state at a time gopiscrap Apr 2012 #15

Easy enough for me. I have been boycotting Florida since 2000 anti-alec Apr 2012 #14

A state-sanctioned license to kill on a whim, thereby terminating a person's right to indepat Apr 2012 #11

Yes! bongbong Apr 2012 #12

This is all ALEC's fault. anti-alec Apr 2012 #13

no_hypocrisy

(46,110 posts)

1. SYG = Legal Murder

Reply to jpak (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 09:40 AM

Apr 2012

baldguy

(36,649 posts)

2. Insanity promoted by the GOP, the NRA, ALEC,

Reply to jpak (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 09:42 AM

Apr 2012

and the normal irresponsible "responsible gun owners".

safeinOhio

(32,682 posts)

3. Just wait until some guy gets away

Reply to jpak (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 09:47 AM

Apr 2012

with killing his wife, after taking out a large insurance policy on her, and uses the SYG law to get away with it. It wouldn't take a genius to set up the perfect crime under a law that only uses the testimony of the one that lives into account.

FarPoint

(12,372 posts)

6. Exactly.... This Martin-Zimmerman case has opened up the opportunity for that kind of thinking.

Reply to safeinOhio (Reply #3)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 10:43 AM

Apr 2012

From what I have heard just here on DU is that this SYG has been successful for drug dealers already....I've heard how justifiable homicide has increased 50% where SYG laws are present.

I shiver to think how many lives will be lost before we can shut this law down.

rustydog

(9,186 posts)

4. "Florida, we grow stupid right next to our oranges"

Reply to jpak (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 10:19 AM

Apr 2012

This Florida Visitor and Convention ad brought to you by ALEC, Killing America one law at a time.

gopiscrap

(23,761 posts)

5. I CALL FOR A NATIONAL BOYCOTT OF FLORIDA

Reply to jpak (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 10:42 AM

Apr 2012

til this shit's changed...no tourism or convention dollars going there til they repeal SYG!!! Who's in?

FarPoint

(12,372 posts)

7. Me.

Reply to gopiscrap (Reply #5)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 10:45 AM

Apr 2012

I believe this is an excellent idea....need to advertise the idea in Europe and Asia as the republicans won't comply thus diminishing the effectiveness of a boycott.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)

8. Not dissing the idea..

Reply to gopiscrap (Reply #5)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 10:55 AM

Apr 2012

... however, Floriduh isn't alone in this insanity.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/03/23-other-states-have-stand-your-ground-laws-too/50226/

I wish I had a better idea, but admit I don't.

1monster

(11,012 posts)

9. Are you going to call for a national boycott of the other 27 states who

Reply to gopiscrap (Reply #5)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 11:24 AM

Apr 2012

also have Stand Your Ground laws. Or are you just discriminating against Florida?

jpak

(41,758 posts)

10. Good idea - let's do it

Reply to 1monster (Reply #9)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 01:16 PM

Apr 2012

yup

gopiscrap

(23,761 posts)

15. I would start one state at a time

Reply to 1monster (Reply #9)

Mon Apr 16, 2012, 11:47 AM

Apr 2012

and if it works go onto the next state, I would think by about the 4th or 5th one, the message would sink into the rest of them

anti-alec

(420 posts)

14. Easy enough for me. I have been boycotting Florida since 2000

Reply to gopiscrap (Reply #5)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 06:51 PM

Apr 2012

Even cancelled a plan to visit Tampa/Orlando back in '05.

Prick Scott and the rest of the Republicans needs to be admitted to the nearest sanitorium with further orders NOT to ever release them to society again.

indepat

(20,899 posts)

11. A state-sanctioned license to kill on a whim, thereby terminating a person's right to

Reply to jpak (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 02:33 PM

Apr 2012

life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness: just how fucked-up is a society hell-bent on letting a ludicrous interpretation of Second Amendment rights trump reason, justice, and all else?

bongbong

(5,436 posts)

12. Yes!

Reply to indepat (Reply #11)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 06:29 PM

Apr 2012

My summary of how many people will be murdered with no penalty for the murderer is "Dead men tell no tales".

Who knows how far it will go? "Officer, I was walking by that guy's house & he looked out the window at me and I could swear I saw him raising a gun to shoot me, so of course I had to shoot him first!"

anti-alec

(420 posts)

13. This is all ALEC's fault.

Reply to jpak (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 06:48 PM

Apr 2012

It's time to disband ALEC and remove all ALEC-related laws from our books.

SYG is among ALEC's dumbest ideas....

(And remove the Republicans that kiss ALEC's asses and have the ALEC executives arrested and sentenced to life in prison without parole)

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