Do you know what is killing the sea stars?

Or the dolphins in the Atlantic?

Do you have any clues at all, or are you clueless?

The real question is when all life is not snuffed out by this radiation apocalypse you have been advertising, what will you do then?

Instead of dying due to acute radiation poisoning, he'll claim we're all going to die of cancer.

And when improvements in medical care for other diseases actually result in more people dying of cancer, it'll prove him correct.

(Cancer's going to happen no matter what - our linear DNA will eventually cause it, if no environmental damage causes it first.)

Do you have any clue what we will do with the waste nukes are producing?

I guess you think flushing it into the pacific is fine? Or you just don't give a shit?

Maybe you don't care that people do get sick and die from radiation?

You'd rather just come after me instead of the producers of the pollution?

Man-made nuclear radiation is not real? Huh?

This is really odd. I thought pretty much any one who could read would know that man-made radiation is real. So I am perplexed to read your woosiness because it makes zero sense.

I guess you don't even believe that nuclear waste is piling up at the over 400 nuke power plants?

not sure why I even bother.

And to answer your message to me: I am quite intelligent, can't say the same about you, you actually believe that garbage you post.

conservatives can point to his comments and say "See, they don't even know what they are talking about!"

I think he made a hugh mistake!
I can't believe he survived this long here without going transparent earlier.

That is unbelievable!!



I have been here for over 10 years and I have never seen anything like this happen here before.
A thread on a completely exposed, totally fraudulent, completely bullshit conspiracy nailed him!?!
WTF????
Just like that.

And he walked right in to it!

Fuck, bro, I've got to hand it to ya, I don't know how this thing works.



But, you could see his head 'sploding from here.

I get that someone could actually live in denial of the dangers of nuke waste and all that. Just too hard for some to fathom. So, you are forgiven. Go, with my blessings.

That is the nicest possible thing you could say to me. Thank you.

Go, you have my condolences.

I know you mean congratulations instead of condolences. Thank you RobertEarl.....Thank you.

Go, and believe what you will. But realize how your posts define you.

a serious environmentalist doesn't discount all other environmental issues to blame everything only on nuclear power.

no environmentalist does that.

You attack me and ignore the nuke industry that is polluting the planet.

It's really fucking weird. You should check yourself.

Easy to see why.

acidification of the oceans occurring along with other climate change phenomena.

Has to do with the level of pH. pH varies at the shoreline where sea stars live, as do temperatures. The researchers are noting pH could be a factor, but the variability makes it hard to pin down. They have not yet determined why the mass wasting is taking place. They do state they have no proof of radiation causing the disease. I figure it's in the food chain. Sea stars eat mussels and high levels of radioactive metals have been found in mussels.

It is very sad. Starfish have no way to isolate the Ebola victims so they all keep getting it and dying.

OMG, America is much stupider than I feared. And believe me, I feared we're pretty stupid already.

I can't help that I don't believe that fragile planes can penetrate steel and concrete and leave NO debris anywhere near the buildings. I can't help it that I don't believe the Pentagon had 40 minutes to protect DC and did NOTHING. My beliefs have facts that are hard to overlook. But I'm sure I'll hear from those who do believe planes traveling over military bases was the safest way to go for the "terrorist" when the towers were visible on the runway. Those pesky box cutters. LOL!

These chemtrail people belong with those that think buildings fall at 10 stories a second due to fire.

That's your "logic" here.

The proof that Standard was establishing a monopoly didn't fly in the face of basic physics and engineering.

The ridiculous 9/11 conspiracies do.

Same with the Chem-Trail crowd. Just because they don't understand, doesn't mean it's a conspiracy.

Truthers definitely deserve to be lumped in with the other crazies, because they are too.

The truthers are just as bad as the Sandy Hook deniers or those who think the holocaust was a hoax.

There are mountains of evidence and obvious cover-ups (can you say secret hearings off-the-record with no transcripts) regarding WTC. There were lots of witnesses at Sandy Hook. One being false doesn't mean everything else is false.

activities, fake birth certificates, and so on.

...as three massive skyscrapers falling down into their own footprint, even as our own military was conducting maneuvers in the very same area. I see. They're totally on the same scale as even chemtrails!

Nor did the buildings actually fall within their own footprint. They made quite a large pile. They did fall straight down, which you'd expect from basic physics - there was no significant lateral force by the time they collapsed.

Plus, your theories about the military should've responded has the minor problem that they don't arm planes that are going on maneuvers. Turns out it's a lot harder to accidentally shoot down the guy pretending to be your target when your plane doesn't have weapons.

I eagerly await your insistence that this situation is somehow different, and that an administration that could not find it's ass with both hands not only managed to perfectly engineer a massive conspiracy, they also managed to keep every single one of the hundreds to thousands involved from saying anything.

where the pres ramped up the war on drugs as he had the cia import cocaine to the major cities to pay for a "secret war"

later the cia director became pres

and to this day current pres shows that bunch respect

i can not think of a wilder ct and yet it is true

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025660333

Iran-Contra and the CIA importing drugs harmed "others".

Destroying the WTC harmed insiders - lots of Wall Street people died.

Imagine the Ferguson shooting except the victim was a young, white stockbroker. Reaction might be a tad different, no? We can be pretty damn sure the cop wouldn't get away with it, while the actual cop will never go to jail.

Interesting. I personally had a friend who worked for Cantor Fitzgerald on the 90th floor. He perished. I had dinner with him just two weeks before. We were there. You'd think I'd be jumping all over your white stockbroker meme. I'm not. You have convenient answers to everything, but none of them directly address the underlying issues any more than my questions do. Do they? So why are your answers the correct ones? Because you think so? You know full well that for any "evidence" you can produce (usually produced by some governmental agency, bureau, panel, committee or hired expert), I can produce an equal number of documents refuting them. Just because you say thousands of other peoples' recollections, observations, research don't match the thousands of recollections, observations, research you've accepted as truth doesn't mean you're correct. You just offered your opinion. And you know what they're like. We've all got one.

The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it...

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That was still supposedly structurally sound steel. Yet it was destroyed just the same as the top "melted" floors were. At some point, the structural components would have stopped a self-footprint implosion. But, no. Nothing tipped. Everything fell into a nice neat pile right in its own footprint. While a paper passport fluttered to the ground at the feet of a federal investigator. Seems plausible enough to me.

Except, perhaps, how a passport managed to conveniently blow out of the pocket of the criminal mastermind of the operation, out of a burning inferno which brought down three skyscrapers, and flutter to the ground next to a guy who could tell us the very next day who all the hijackers were. I mean, really. That sounds plausible. Unless you saw it in a movie or something, then you'd say it was the biggest load of bullshit you'd ever seen.

But I can certainly ascertain where you're coming from.

Your "basic physics" are basically bullshit. You can't melt steel with jet fuel. Period. It does not burn hot enough, especially when all of the steel columns are covered in flame retardant coating. It can't happen. It has NEVER happened. Until these three building all miraculously collapsed into their own footprint (making the cleanup much less costly).

Who says the steel melted?

It is well documented.

There are photos of melted aluminum.
Is that what you are talking about?
http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm

Do we have to re-hash all of the metals at WTC and their various melting points AGAIN!

Is it still 2002?

ur point about who was harmed is baseless

very few families escaped losing a member to the coke epidemic

wall street insiders benefited when #7 fell as much evidence was stored there

my original point remains the same, we know the mic has pulled off an incredible ct in the cia/coke/iran/contra scandal so who is to say how often it happens?

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The ones on the planes were killed. We trained them in Florida. I don't think Bush could masturbate without assistance, but it doesn't mean there weren't MIC forces pulling other strings (hey "Dick&quot . Only the ones that needed to know needed to know. The rest could easily be left in the dark, such as the air traffic controllers who had all their tapes removed and destroyed with hours after the event. They didn't to be "in on it." Nor did the PA first responders in Shanksville...they just first responded. No one had to fill them in on what they were investigating, not while they were busy listening to fake, impossible (given the technology at the time) cell phone calls saying "Let's roll!"

You can make the points that it is too large a conspiracy, but you haven't made a single point explaining all the discrepancy in every other area. And you are dead wrong, basic physics would make a building fall over -- unless EVERY structural part of the steel collapsed at exactly the same time. Not possible. Especially not with the burning temp of jet fuel, from the top floor. No way in hell the buildings, both buildings, all three buildings, would collapse into their own footprint. Maybe one. A million-to-one odds that two might. But not gonna happen, especially for the third building which wasn't even hit. I'll tell you who sounds like the conspiracy theorist now. And it isn't me, Jeff47.

Although this is the only thing you wrote which I agree with...
I will say it is likely the funniest thing I will read all day...maybe this month!!!
Thanks!

I see houses and barns all over the place here in rural-ville. They fall over. They lean. They sway until they can't take it anymore. I actually like to take pictures of them, they're very quaint. I've yet to find one, ever, that just collapsed into itself. Of course, we're actually talking about reenforced steel skyscrapers, not barns and houses. Otherwise, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You seem to actually be affirming most of what I said even while you're trying to deny it! Thanks. I think.

Plus the distance laterally that a tower must move is far greater to make it fall over.

There aren't the forces present to push a tower over. The support structures collapse well before the tower tips over, as explained above.

I missed out in all of the fun back then.

Thanks! These guys are right up there with the Young Earth Creationists explaining how the Grand Canyon is the result of Noah's flood.

Dontcha know? You are actually more clueless than most truthers. But of course you are not a truther. No, not in any way. Never. Nein Nein Nein.

Planes flew miles over the Hudson River while loads of military planes were ALREADY IN THE AIR to practice against such maneuvers. Then there are the TWO billion-dollar insurance policies taken out on the WTC towers just a few weeks before the event. Then there is the Bush family connection to security in the WTC, which was shut down for days prior to the event. Of course, we have the buildings falling perfectly into their own footprint, and #7 just falling down for no reason. Oh, wait, and the terrorists training in South Florida while actually being roommates with FBI agents. Oh, and the perfectly intact passport of the leader of the terrorists, found laying in the road just hours after the event. And the fact that they were almost all Saudis, which were spirited away even as our airspace was shut down. Oops, and the BBC reporting #7 had collapsed 1/2 hour before it happened. Did I mention the Pentagon, with no debris found, and only a perfect pin-prick of a hole going through just the right part of the building? We won't even mention what Andrew Card could possibly have said to GWB in the 1 1/2 seconds he whispered in his ear during My Pet Goat.

I can understand these things and why they make no sense to some of you, just as I can understand why the chemtrail nonsense is ridiculous. Why do the two have to be mutually exclusive? Sometimes conspiracies really are conspiracies. Sometimes plane vapor trails really are just vapor trails. One doesn't make the other false.

PNAC was real, it was signed and delivered, the names were on it. But no...we're all crazy to think anything about the secret oil meetings which we STILL know nothing about, and Saudis flying planes into buildings, and, and, and...we're all just crazy. It's just like chemtrails. Really, just like chemtrails.

they flew at 1/3 (500 mph vs 1500 mph) their top speed, like they were in no hurry to get there.

But don't let that stop you.

I'm sure you don't let the speed limits stop you.

How exactly were they supposed to locate them? The transponders were off and NORAD before 9/11 had absolutely no reason to look for threats coming from the continental US.

And what were they supposed to respond with? The fighters up doing drills that were entirely disarmed? Or do you think the entirety of ACC is on alert to handle passenger aircraft that have entirely disappeared from radar?

And even with all of that, you do realize fighters have comparatively small fuel tanks and can't maintain anywhere near that top speed for more than a few seconds, right?

turning the transponder off doesn't make the plane invisible to radar. If that was the case the ruskies could invade us by air. You don't think it odd that almost all of the defense force of the eastern seaboard was off on a "drill"? And yes, intercepting planes with in flight emergencies is EXACTLY what is supposed to happen.

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Payne_Stewart

"It should be reiterated that procedures also require controllers to immediately alert the military to scramble fighter craft, if a plane deviates from its flight path and communication between the plane and controllers is blocked. This occurs whether or not the situation consists of a potential hijacking, as was the case with Payne Stuart’s Lear jet, which was intercepted by military planes almost immediately, and while communication with the jet was blocked.
Page 148, The War On Freedom, Nafeez Ahmed"

"Officials from the North American Aerospace Defense Command at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado Springs coordinated emergency flights to monitor the Learjet's flight.
The first sign of trouble came at 10:08 a.m. EDT, as Air Force Staff Sgt. James Hicks sat in his air-control tower. A clearly troubled Federal Aviation Administration worker was issuing a distress call for a Learjet not far away.

The twin-engine craft had left Orlando, Fla., less than hour earlier and things had turned very strange. The jet was flying erratically. The pilot did not answer radio transmissions. Could Hicks, from his post at Eglin Air Force Base, Fla., send a F-16 to check it out?

Hicks didn't know U.S. Open champion Stewart and at least four others were on board. Neither did Capt. Chris Hamilton, who was immediately pulled off maneuvers over the Gulf of Mexico and ordered to give chase.

The end came four hours, six states and 1,400 miles later when a chartered jet nose-dived into a South Dakota field.

Hamilton had to stop for fuel, so it took 50 minutes to close the Learjet's 100-mile lead. And once the Air Force pilot got a clear look at the smaller craft, his heart dropped.

"It's a very helpless feeling to pull up alongside another aircraft and realize the people inside ... are unconscious or in some other way incapacitated," he said.
The windows had iced over and Hamilton could see nothing.
http://web.archive.org/web/20090620003348/http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4191/is_19991026/ai_n9962647/"

Are you aware of how busy the northeastern corridor of US airspace is on any given day, especially around Boston and New York?

And nevermind that if the transponders are off, the only way to identify the aircraft is through process of elimination with the dozens of other passenger aircraft in the same area.

that should give you pause to think.

As for the radar, without IFF it would be impossible for a fighter pilot to find one plane out of the thousands that were flying that day. And don't forget that fighter radars do not have 360 degree coverage - in the real world, fighter pilots are directed to the enemy by someone else with a big ass radar and only turn on their radars for the final intercept.

it wouldn't have mattered.

CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT
CHIEFS OF STAFF
INSTRUCTION

J-3 CJCSI 3610.01A
DISTRIBUTION: A, B, C, J, S 1 June 2001
AIRCRAFT PIRACY (HIJACKING) AND DESTRUCTION OF DERELICT
AIRBORNE OBJECTS
References: See Enclosure D.

4. Policy.

a. Aircraft Piracy (Hijacking) of Civil and Military Aircraft. Pursuant
to references a and b, the Administrator, Federal Aviation Administration
(FAA), has exclusive responsibility to direct law enforcement activity
related to actual or attempted aircraft piracy (hijacking) in the “special
aircraft jurisdiction” of the United States. When requested by the
Administrator, Department of Defense will provide assistance to these
law enforcement efforts. Pursuant to reference c, the NMCC is the focal
point within Department of Defense for providing assistance. In the
event of a hijacking, the NMCC will be notified by the most expeditious
means by the FAA. The NMCC will, with the exception of immediate
responses as authorized by reference d, forward requests for DOD
assistance to the Secretary of Defense for approval. DOD assistance to
the FAA will be provided in accordance with reference d. Additional
guidance is provided in Enclosure A.

d. DOD Directive 3025.15, 18 February 1997, “Military Assistance to
Civil Authorities”

(http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01a.pdf)

---------------------------------------------

Department of Defense
DIRECTIVE

NUMBER 3025.15
February 18, 1997

SUBJECT: Military Assistance to Civil Authorities

4.7.1. Immediate Response. Requests for an immediate response (i.e., any
form of immediate action taken by a DoD Component or military commander to save
lives, prevent human suffering, or mitigate great property damage under imminently
serious conditions) may be made to any Component or Command. The DoD
Components that receive verbal requests from civil authorities for support in an exigent
emergency may initiate informal planning and, if required, immediately respond as
authorized in DoD Directive 3025.1 (reference (g)). Civil authorities shall be informed
that verbal requests for support in an emergency must be followed by a written request.
As soon as practical, the DoD Component or Command rendering assistance shall report
the fact of the request, the nature of the response, and any other pertinent information
through the chain of command to the DoD Executive Secretary, who shall notify the
Secretary of Defense, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and any other appropriate
officials. If the report does not include a copy of the civil authorities' written request, that
request shall be forwarded to the DoD Executive Secretary as soon as it is available.

REFERENCES

(g) DoD Directive 3025.1, "Military Support to Civil Authorities (MSCA)," January 15,
1993

(http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/302515p.pdf)
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Department of Defense
DIRECTIVE
NUMBER 3025.1
January 15, 1993
USD(P)
SUBJECT: Military Support to Civil Authorities (MSCA)

4.5. Immediate Response

4.5.1. Imminently serious conditions resulting from any civil emergency or
attack may require immediate action by military commanders, or by responsible officials
of other DoD Agencies, to save lives, prevent human suffering, or mitigate great property
damage. When such conditions exist and time does not permit prior approval from
higher headquarters, local military commanders and responsible officials of other DoD
Components are authorized by this Directive, subject to any supplemental direction that
may be provided by their DoD Component, to take necessary action to respond to
requests of civil authorities. All such necessary action is referred to in this Directive as
"Immediate Response."

(http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/302501p.pdf)

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As one can see, the June 1, 2001 revision on 'AIRCRAFT PIRACY (HIJACKING) AND DESTRUCTION OF DERELICT AIRBORNE OBJECTS' left untouched DoD's response protocol for scramble and intercept of aircraft experiencing in-flight emergencies. The June 1, 2001 revision only applied to hijacked aircraft and the destruction of airborne objects.

Since we were told that during the summer of 2001 (between June 2 and September 10) there were ZERO NORAD scrambles to intercept aircraft that experienced in-flight emergencies, that means DoD disobeyed a lawful written order.

The only time prior to 9/11 that the military intercepted a civilian aircraft, the aircraft's transponder was active and it took the fighter close to an hour to reach it.

So how exactly were they supposed to locate three aircraft in the very crowded northeastern corridor with their transponders off and no way to track them?

And yet again, I remind you NORAD had no means of tracking aircraft inside the United States aside from coordinating with civilian ATC.

there is not a national system of military radars tracking every commercial flight in America - their radars on located on the borders looking for planes approaching America from other countries. They scramble for flights over America only if the FAA asks them too.

Secondly, transponders are turned off daily due to pilot error or equipment failure. There is no interception every time that happens.

There is a reason jets only use afterburners for seconds, not minutes, in combat. Besides, with a full load of gas, weapons and external fuel tanks, an F15 can't fly supersonic no matter how much afterburner it used.

Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842

After all, if it supports the Official Story, They must have gotten to them.

"I can't help that I don't believe that fragile planes can penetrate steel and concrete and leave NO debris anywhere near the buildings."

Almost onion worthy. You know how to do it.

LOL

But the unsinged passport of the "mastermind" was found a few blocks away within hours. That's a damned fine passport.

This is what baffles me. You accept all sorts of crazy theories. I'd say, frankly that YOU are the conspiracy theorists. Planes completely destroy three buildings, two of them among the largest in the world, and everything is vaporized. The planes, the people, even eventually the buildings. But when WTC went up into a fireball, the passport of ONE MAN, the supposed mastermind of the plot, fluttered to the ground unharmed. Apparently flew out of his pocket upon impact and landed right on the street where an investigator could find it. And you expect me to believe that is a plausible story? I'd love to hear your explanation as to how his passport flew out of his clothing even as the rest of the plane and its crew/cabin were being vaporized. It's sounds like it should be a fascinating story. Maybe he opened the window and threw it out of the plane before they crashed.

"WTF do you call this..."

Inconvenient... at best.





Look at it this way, threads such as this certainly do illustrate the difference between a rational mind and a mind that forces facts to conform to its own biased conclusions (which is mostly likely, my first and last word on Truthers and Birthers-- bless their little hearts)

I'm going to assume you are kidding. There really isn't anything else to think. The claim you have made here is easily provable to be false. Proven by govt and citizens. Many parts of the plane were found. Many fell to the street. How can you claim to not know this? You would have to be trying to stay uneducated in order to believe what you typed. If it was an attempt at sarcasm it also failed. I have a hard time believing you are this disconnected from reality. Reading your posts over the years tells me you are educated on world events. That one line defies reality completely. It is such a disconnect that I don't even find it funny. It is against facts.

Oops. As Ronnie Reagan once said, "facts are stupid things."

To be perfectly honest with you, I'm not even a "truther," or whatever. I'm just making the case that there are LOTS of unanswered questions on both sides. Many strain credulity. It's not a simple matter of "believing science," as one poster put it. If that were the case, you'd be questioning it, too, since science has shown that no amount of jet fuel and carpet and desks and chairs can burn hot enough to melt that much steel. That's science. Jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel like that, it's been gone over a hundred times.

My point was, you believe jet fuel CAN melt steel, but also believe a paper passport can fly out of someone's pocket -- the one person who just happened to be the so-called mastermind of the attacks -- a paper passport could survive an inferno which brought down three steel skyscrapers. And flutter conveniently to the feet of an official investigator. Really? Which theory sounds crazier?

Of course it doesn't, that's why the steel didn't melt.

Unless you think steel completely shed of its fireproofing remains perfectly strong and capable of supporting twenty floors above it until it melts.

"To be perfectly honest with you, I'm not even a "truther," or whatever." Right. Sure you aren't. You just carry their water for them.

You don't even need fuel to melt steel. In major warehouse fires steel beams often start sagging considerably. If the fire is allowed to continue burning they will often eventually collapse. And the trade center buildings were not a two story warehouse. A lot of extremely hot material collapsed into a small area, mixing with plenty of oxygen with lots of combustible materials. That combined with the kinetic energy of the collapse of a tower would generate a tremendous amount of heat. And anyone who has watched a major fire has seen paper get lofted into the air and escape from a fire. Watch footage of the trade center fires on 9-11. There was paper everywhere.

I got it.

was this building in the footprint?






The "fell perfectly in their own footprint" is what every truther likes to parrot, but simply isn't true.

Dontcha know, it is not truth which matters, but truthiness?

I got it.

Oh and congratulations on consistently applying the Gish Gallop debate technique - One argument fails, never mind, on to the next "truthy fact." Something might stick if enough shit is thrown against the wall.

Gish Gallop defined: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Gish%20Gallop

supposed to add up to the truth." Yep. Also a classic part of the debating technique of Mr. Duane Gish, designed to have a scientifically illiterate audience say, "Golly, gee, he makes a lot of good points and his opponent doesn't even answer them." He is dead but his debating legacy lives on. Hallelujah Praise Jesus!

your confidence in our ability to respond in under 40 minutes is gratifying but wholly wrong. We didn't arm planes over CONUS prior to 9/11 on most days. The fact that it only took us 45 minutes to get armed fighters in the air on 9/11 is a testament of our ground crews being well trained. Weapons were kept locked up, planes were unarmed, that was kind of standard OP prior to 9/11. But hey whatever.....

It doesn't work. Just like Chem-Trail Conspiracy believers, it's a waste of time.

Just laugh at them and move on.

40 minutes to find pilots, find weapons crews, find weapons, get them on the planes hard points, brief the pilots and then vector them to the right coordinates? That is a minor miracle in that short period of time. Loaded planes, with loaded weapons, with crews standing next to them with just the right weapons load with pilots sitting in the cockpits waiting to take off is Hollywood fiction, or at least was in CONUS prior to 9/11/01.

If only that were a valid argument.

You mean "except airplane debris"?

This could be a breakthrough for you!

That is funny what he did.