against black people.

A light finally came on. Or perhaps, giving the police military weapons finally showed them for what they are.

BTW, if the vast majority or even all cops were racist.....you can bet things really would be far, far worse than they are now. And they ARE bad. But let's not underplay just how vicious actual racism often is.

imagined racism? pseudo-racism? Non-white person designated racism?

color are extreme to those who are getting killed because of their color.

Statistics are funny that way.

And frankly, maybe even a little insensitive towards survivors of actual genocides, such as the Holocaust.....

Slavery and murder of an entire race in those conditions is genocide. We are the descendants of the victims and it is disrespectful to us to forget our OWN nation's genocidal history towards blacks and native americans. The Holocaust was not the only nor the first genocide. More Africans died in th middle passage and from disease and harsh treatmemt than Jews died in the holocaust. And we got no compensation.

70 years ago or 400 years ago or 5000 years ago.

Don't disrespect a whole race of people who had (are still being) been enslaved and murdered.

Genocide is genocide believe it or not — whether it's against Jews or enslaved Africans and there's no denying that hundreds of thousands of Africans died during the hundreds of years of the middle passage. That's not that hard to understand.

And IMO you're being quite insensitive to the not-so-sudden rash of killings and violence that's come to the fore because most people now have cell phones and can document police murder of mostly African Americans. Whereas before, for over a century and a half since the end of slavery, these killings and beatings by cops was done routinely but are now exposed for all the world to see.

So you see, were talking thousands of killings spanning many decades so calling it genocide is not that farfetched.

Thank God for cell phone technology that has taken the blinders off for people that are willing to actually see.

Genocide is genocide believe it or not — whether it's against Jews or enslaved Africans and there's no denying that hundreds of thousands of Africans died during the hundreds of years of the middle passage.

And IMO you're being quite insensitive to the not-so-sudden rash of killings and violence that's come to the fore because most people now have cell phones and can document police murder of mostly African Americans

Over centuries of the slave trade millions of Africans died chained in dark holes of ships lying in their own excrement.

I call that genocide, and couple that with all of the lynchings and police killings of the last century and a half, of course all of that combined is real genocide.

Your definition of the word seems to encompass only the nazi Holocaust.

You need to widen that and broaden your mind and include the wholesale slaughter of Native Americans here as well, or is it only real genocide to you when whites are the victims?

Your definition of the word seems to encompass only the nazi Holocaust.

or is it only real genocide to you when whites are the victims?

You don't know what genocide is obviously. Since you can tell the desendants of the victims of one genocide that it wasn't a REAL genocide and to be respectful while you disrespect them with your lack of empathy and understanding of the world. Look up how many blacks have died in America due to genocidal condition and then think about it.

You don't get to decide what genocide is and think we have to see it you're way. You are coming from a place of privilege and lack the compassion and understanding to discuss racim.

BTW, you do realize that I never ONCE mentioned the African Passage, right? My point had ALWAYS revolved around criticism of the belief that the police are engaging in genocide.

with your lack of empathy and understanding of the world.

You don't get to decide what genocide is and think we have to see it you're way.

You are coming from a place of privilege and lack the compassion and understanding to discuss racim.

Nothing. You don't even know that you don't know.

And, btw, I never once claimed to be a know-it-all, not implied such.

But to say that police are currently conducting a genocide in this country is still indeed fucking ridiculous. And you know what? It's not just insulting to those victims of actual genocides the world over; it even hurts the causes of those people out there who actually HAVE been affected by police brutality, minorities included. And me being a "cis" person who happens to be "white" doesn't make that any less true.

So, I'm afraid that it's the opposite: that neither you, or Baitball Blogger, or anyone else who agrees with his assertion, gets just how hyperbolic, sensationalistic, and insensitive it really is.

Loving it!

But at least try to *think* about what I'm saying.....regardless of the details, you could at least admit I made some rather well-thought out points over there.

Emote.

Come back to me if you ever find real evidence of a full-blown genocide being conducted by America's police. Until then, please, try harder not to buy into sensationalized exaggerations, alright? We know the real situation is bad enough as it is.

Instead of maybe thinking about it a little bit. Well, differently. Peace.

And, I'm sorry, but there's nothing to really think about, in this case. There is no program of actual genocide being carried out by police departments in this country.....(even if a few truly messed up individuals would no doubt be eager to carry out such orders, if they were ever issued).....yes, even despite all the corruption, racially motivated or otherwise, that does exist.

watch out, he'll put you on ignore!

Oh, the pain.

What shall I do without him...

He is too easy...

a legend in his own mind.

Like what the fuc...

and negative attention will work as well as positive attention.

To ignore him is to drive him crazy. No one will worship his pearls of wisdom.

He really just wants attention. And an audience of people willing to ignore reality to see things his way.

I never get to play anymore!

he is the personification of: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

Too funny.

That you are either unable or unwilling to see the relevance does not mean there is no relevance...

things have moderated but not changed.

A slow down is not an end.

You mean, like they turn your argument upside down?

And your example is called a false equivalent. When you stack up the deaths you end up with a large group of people being targeted for their ethnic background.

If you include what the CIA was doing to the black communities with cocaine, and the Supreme Court ruling that they were open season if the police could push the stats up to qualify as a high crime area, what you have there is a neon sign.

My argument still stands: to argue that police officers are engaging in "genocide" of American black folks, is indeed extreme, and not only that, is rather insensitive, even if not intentionally, to those have who have been victims of actual genocides, such as the WWII Holocaust.

We have a problem, yes. But the last thing we need is to make such extreme statements; that only hurts the cause of justice, and not the other way around.

So what is your number? How many deaths of black Americans does this country have to hit before you become a believer?

And let's hope the problem gets addressed before that actually becomes a possibility.

is completely oblivious of the continuing history of Black and Law Enforcement interactions.

THERE IS NOTHING MORE VICIOUS than the actual racism blacks suffer from the REAL police state that is directed at them.

My point was, however, that if the many, or even the vast majority of cops were indeed racist, this country would be in MUCH worse shape than it already is, and things are bad enough as it is. Does that make more sense?

Not even a little bit.

But people have (thank God) started noticing when it happens.

I'll see if I can dig that up. All categories of intentional homicide have been plummeting for years.

to today in order to give the police a thumb's up?

The 1990s were the peak of police-involved homicides, just like every other kind of homicide. We're currently back down to the level it was in the early 1960s (it rose from the late 1950s to about 1995, and has fallen since).

of what we have to lose if we even give up an inch.

So, this is me, not conceding even an inch.

And they haven't. People notice more. That's a good thing.

Get to marker 1:22. Conclusion: No one knows how many police killings are taking place today.

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/v4l2pe/a-shot-in-the-dark

Taking issue with the idea that the entire US police force is committing an

actual "genocide" is hardly the same as "giving the police a thumbs up".

EVERYONE here, to my knowledge, agrees there is a SERIOUS problem

in too many police departments and that WAY too many cops are acting

in a frightening. racist manner and I am all in favor of a federal

investigation into police departments all over the country.

That being said, committing to the idea of an actual conspiracy to commit

genocide is too much at this point -- Let nation-wide investigations research this

violent epidemic and tell us what is really going on.

but more noticed because people have cell phones with video capability now, thus the killings and beating are getting uploaded all over the internet.

In the past this stuff happened to African Americans quite frequently and quite routinely.

What we're seeing now it that the rogue police haven't learned that they are being filmed now and their viciousness is now being put out there for everyone to see. Its no longer business as usual.

Whites are finally realizing what blacks have been saying about racist, brutal cops for decades has validity.

Sometimes even when the white guy is unarmed.

http://m.sltrib.com/sltrib/mobile3/58472404-219/taylor-cruz-hands-gill.html.csp

by city and or state.

... never know.

I think they know what the data would say so they're remainnig oblivious to it

Cops shoot white people plenty of times.

However it's just that use of force becomes all to frequent and easy for them whenever a person of color is involved.

anytime authoritarians /fascists take over they first use their excessive power on some group w/o much power (in this case poc)

then they extend that excessive power on the next powerless group (in this case the mentally ill)

then they extend to another group (let's say long haired activists)

then another group (poor whites)

then another group (middle class?)

until the bad behavior affects every1 but the 1%

the behavior we have seen recently is supported by the dod and doj turns a blind eye (for the most part)

the solution of course is for all those groups to ban together and forget our black/white categories and demand our Constitutional rights TOGETHER of equal justice under the law

Even though it may indeed be true that minorities usually do get shafted at least somewhat worse by crooked cops than middle-class "white" Americans, the .1% still hopes to keep us divided by manuevering us against each other. And yet, this is an issue that affects us all; look at how the folks of Occupy Wall Street were treated, for example.....it didn't matter all that much about who was African-American, or Indigenous, Caucasian, etc.

on young people who attack innocent senior citizens like this .

Thankfully it says she is going to make a full recovery

And, no, I'm not about to deny that police brutality, including of the racially targeted kind, is a problem in this country. But it's not just black folks who have to be concerned.....just look at what was done to OWS a couple years back.

that it exists but it's not as big a problem as most people here are saying?

broken record, i swear.

Guy was drunk, cop followed him to his apartment. Cop shot him at his apartment door. The guy's only crime was that he was intoxicated. The guy was an honor student.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Autopsy-UIW-student-shot-in-the-back-5335693.php

Nothing happened to the cop. He's still employed at the university. (Yep, this was a university cop)

Being black you cannot even surrender when not murdering some one.

so apparently it's open season on people with disabilities, too.

The irony is, they beat Kelly Thomas so black and blue that the coroner thought he was African American!

years.

Slightly OT....I wonder if they can also charge this guy with hate crime on top of everything else, since he is saying he did it because of her race. To me, all crimes are done with some amount of hate, but isn't that the reason there are some specifically called "hate crimes"?

...the big local story here in NE Ohio is how police gunned down a white man who stole a car. They used a stop strip and as they approached the disabled car they claim he drew a gun.

Now the police refuse to name the officers who are on admin leave, and said they will not release dash cam video. The prosecutor cites a supreme court decision from a DUI stop that would have revealed police investigation techniques. Since there was no investigation ongoing at the time of the shooting, that seems suspicious. Add to that that they refuse to release forensic evidence that could show whether he fired a gun and the whole thing reeks of over reaction by trigger happy police who may have planted a gun on him after the fact.

don't give a shit about the color of your skin, they'll shoot you regardless. Remember the homeless man camping in the mountains? He was white and they murdered him.

And I also believe these attitudes put society at risk. I think that a lot of times white criminals face far fewer consequences and end up back on the streets to do harm again. While cops kill black people at the drop of a hat, innocent included.

Christopher Roupe in Georgia which has a virtual news black out. Grand Jury no billed the cop. Kid may or may not have been holding a Wi controller, pellet gun - who knows for sure. Media sure isn't moving any mountains to find out.

Samantha Ramsey in Kentucky. Shot when cop when dirty Harry and jumped on the hood of her car and fired four through the window.

Tyler Comstock - Shot in vehicle after being pinned in. Actually I don't have a problem with this shooting since he had already rammed police cars multiple times and demonstrated that these cars could not stop his truck. He endangered the students on the campus that my daughter now attends. Some think it was excessive force though.

Two things:

1. Young and old black men have always been targets, this is nothing new it’s just being reported on the internet faster than the major media outlets can report it and spin it to blame the victims.

2. Poor/middle class white people are now free game, sure they may still receive the benefit of the doubt, like shooting up a movie theater, shooting a member of congress, holding the police to 40 minute stand offs and much more, but the tides are changing shoot 1st ask question later now that is what I call equal rights.

but the tides are changing shoot 1st ask question later now that is what I call equal rights.

or did you miss it?

I guess I'm just a little jaded these days.....my apologies.

Rather than asserting it as a fact you admit it's just what it looks like to you, which it often looks like to me. But I've seen counter-examples, and I believe you yourself posted a counter-example a while ago. I think it got very few responses because it did not fit the narrative. To be fair I don't think I responded either, I don't remember. Do you remember what I'm talking about?