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sheshe2

(83,925 posts)
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 05:58 PM Oct 2014

A Surgeon General nominee ‘tied up in politics’


© Jason Reed / Reuters

10/15/14 04:54 PM—UPDATED 10/15/14 06:48 PM

Ellie Sandmeyer explained yesterday:


Fox personalities repeatedly worked to cast doubt on Dr. Vivek Murthy’s nomination, questioning his strong qualifications and smearing him as “too political” for the job. In March, network host Brian Kilmeade alleged that Murthy “hasn’t done much in his career yet,” and argued that “you want to be impressed with” a Surgeon General nominee’s resume. […]

In addition to questioning Murthy’s qualifications, Fox has also worked to baselessly politicize Murthy’s position that gun violence should be considered a public health issue. Fox & Friends co-host Elisabeth Hasselbeck falsely claimed that Murthy views gun ownership as a “disease” and forwarded claims that he has “a radical agenda when it comes to guns and your health.” Network legal analyst Peter Johnson Jr. suggested Murthy would make the examining room about “about party registration or about gun registration,” and Fox host Megyn Kelly claimed that Murthy is “not a big fan of the Second Amendment,” and said he is “so anti-gun that the NRA has decided to score this vote.”


So when a Fox host complains that “politics” is leading to a vacancy in the Surgeon General’s office, the natural follow-up question is, “Yes, and exactly whose politics might be responsible for this result?”

As Rachel noted on the show last night, the public would benefit from having a qualified medical professional focused specifically on helping Americans better understand these complex medical questions. Too bad that’s apparently not a politically viable option right now.

Read more: http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/surgeon-general-nominee-tied-politics
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A Surgeon General nominee ‘tied up in politics’ (Original Post) sheshe2 Oct 2014 OP
The Blue Dogs won't support the Democratic President's nomination. So here's a question rhett o rick Oct 2014 #1
"Condemn" is a harsh word to put into a leading question, but any politician so easily cowed Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #2
If condemn is too harsh, then use whatever word you like. I condemn them for just this rhett o rick Oct 2014 #6
Condemn, no. Disappointed, yes. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #3
My "snark" was aimed at the Democrats that are holding up the President's rhett o rick Oct 2014 #5
K~ sheshe2 Oct 2014 #7
And thanks for the nice post. I get frustrated with Blue Dogs even though I know they rhett o rick Oct 2014 #19
K & R SunSeeker Oct 2014 #4
TOO POLITICAL? Is that why the republicans made his confirmation POLITICAL???? George II Oct 2014 #8
The Office of Surgeon General was forever poisoned by this man: whereisjustice Oct 2014 #9
What does this have to do with Dr. Vivek Murthy? sheshe2 Oct 2014 #10
Because this is, historically, a politcal office. We need something not subject to whereisjustice Oct 2014 #12
Well yes it is a political office, The Surgeon General of The... sheshe2 Oct 2014 #17
First, we have acting Surgeon General. Second, the office has little power or influence whereisjustice Oct 2014 #32
Not a damn thing, she. Cha Oct 2014 #25
thanks! sheshe2 Oct 2014 #26
Not forever poisoned. The Office does not belong to any one person, the Office is not symbolic, it Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #11
I'm a bit bafffled because many claim that Obama has no power of persuasion due to whereisjustice Oct 2014 #15
Who needs a Surgeon General? NuclearDem Oct 2014 #28
Mahalo, she, for your OP! Cha Oct 2014 #13
And he is from Boston to boot! sheshe2 Oct 2014 #20
time for all Democratic candidates to go on the attack!!!!! ---> napkinz Oct 2014 #14
Boogles your mind, does it not napkinz!?!!! sheshe2 Oct 2014 #21
I googled boogled napkinz Oct 2014 #34
Doesnt obama get 1/2 the blame Travis_0004 Oct 2014 #23
Thanks for this, napkinz! Cha Oct 2014 #27
Partisan politics. Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #16
Face it, Republicans are racists. Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #18
No, it "is not politics as we used to know it." sheshe2 Oct 2014 #22
It's Revenge Politics, imv, Major. Cha Oct 2014 #31
Yes, and it has been obvious since Day One --- You Lie! (The racist scumbag that yelled that out . . Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #33
Righteous Rant! The gop Big LIe Machine has done the opposite of working with the President.. Cha Oct 2014 #35
Senate Democrats can confirm the Surgeon General without a single Republican vote. tritsofme Oct 2014 #24
Yeah, and the Republicans totally won't filibuster it at all. NuclearDem Oct 2014 #29
Right. Because they can't, the filibuster no longer exists for executive nominees tritsofme Oct 2014 #30
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
1. The Blue Dogs won't support the Democratic President's nomination. So here's a question
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 06:18 PM
Oct 2014

for the avid President Obama followers, "do you condemn the Big Dogs for not supporting the president?"

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
2. "Condemn" is a harsh word to put into a leading question, but any politician so easily cowed
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 06:44 PM
Oct 2014

by the NRA terror tactics values their personall job more than their personal values.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
6. If condemn is too harsh, then use whatever word you like. I condemn them for just this
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 07:18 PM
Oct 2014

reason. They are choosing to side with Republicans.

sheshe2

(83,925 posts)
3. Condemn, no. Disappointed, yes.
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 06:58 PM
Oct 2014

Sadly you wish to make a joke about this President and those that "avidly"support him.

Per chance you have a comment about the OP? Nope, ya just dropped in to snark. And don't gloss your question over with the smiley emoticons.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
5. My "snark" was aimed at the Democrats that are holding up the President's
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 07:16 PM
Oct 2014

nomination. I often "condemn" the Blue Dogs for just this type of thing and I get confused by those that support the Blue Dogs and the President. There seems to be a conundrum. We know the Republicans are obstructionists but the Democrats theoretically control the Senate. But apparently Democrats that support the President don't have control of the Senate.

I wasn't at all trying to make a joke. And what is this, "And don't gloss your question over with the smiley emoticons." I always try to keep it friendly and end with a smile. And it's Halloween.

sheshe2

(83,925 posts)
7. K~
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 08:01 PM
Oct 2014

And thanks for the explanation, Rhett.

Believing that this President has made huge strides in the most adverse conditions imaginable does not make one a Blue Dog. No, I don't support them and never have. Yes I do support this President. Sadly those that do are trashed endlessly here on a Democratic board.

Well it may be Halloween here, yet where I work Christmas hit the floor on 10/6. I know I know

So again, I thank you for responding to me, Rhett.

Peace~ to you and yours.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
19. And thanks for the nice post. I get frustrated with Blue Dogs even though I know they
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 08:48 PM
Oct 2014

are in tough spots sometimes. I get anxious for change. I believe that if we don't make some big strides soon, we may get beyond a tipping point, if we aren't already. In another thread I posted this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5675918. I am afraid the truth is too bad to handle. Those that don't want progressives to win have unlimited resources and I believe will they will go to any lengths. This doesn't mean I won't continue to fight but I'm getting old and I want to see change before I go. I am an old Baby Boomer and I blame my generation for dropping the ball. My parents knew the hell of the First Great Republican Depression and tried to warn us. But we had it easy and let our guards down. We enjoyed the American Dream but our children aren't. I see HRC as part of the system that got us here. We need radical change and HRC isn't the candidate. But as Sen Sanders points out, a progressive candidate would risk great harm to self and family. Be hard to find someone willing to do that.

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
9. The Office of Surgeon General was forever poisoned by this man:
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 08:06 PM
Oct 2014

Do we really need another symbolic political appointee? What we need is a good leader with experience in public health emergancies to make sure we are up to date. Antibiotic resistant diseases are becoming a crisis as well.

Rape practically never results in pregnancy. Studies in Pennsylvania and Minnesota concerning rape and pregnancy show that as many as five thousand rapes have occurred successively without a single pregnancy . .

Most people do not know that the younger the mother is the more likely she will suffer sterility later if she has an abortion. Studies in Canada indicate that sterility is as high as thirty percent among women fifteen to seventeen years old who have had abortions . .

Protection of the life of the mother as an excuse for an abortion is a smoke screen. In my thirty-six years in pediatric surgery I have never known of one instance where the child had to be be aborted to save the mother's life.

C. Everett Koop, M. D., as told to Dick Bohrer, in "Moody Monthly," May, 1980



sheshe2

(83,925 posts)
10. What does this have to do with Dr. Vivek Murthy?
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 08:24 PM
Oct 2014
Do we really need another symbolic political appointee? What we need is a good leader with experience in public health emergancies to make sure we are up to date. Antibiotic resistant diseases are becoming a crisis as well.


Career


Murthy is a physician at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston and a Hospitalist Attending Physician and Instructor in Medicine at Harvard Medical School.[9] He is also a founder and president of Doctors for America, a group of 15,000 physicians and medical students supporting Obama.[10][11] In 2011, Murthy was appointed by U.S. President Barack Obama to serve on the U.S. Presidential Advisory Council on Prevention, Health Promotion, and Integrative and Public Health within the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.[9] The group advises the National Prevention Council on developing strategies and partnerships to advance the nation's health.[12]


He is co-founder and chairman of TrialNetworks, a cloud-based Clinical Trial Optimization System for pharmaceutical and biotechnology trials that improves the quality and efficiency of clinical trials to bring new drugs to market faster and more safely.[13][14] He founded the company as Epernicus in 2008 to originally be a collaborative networking web platform for scientists to boost research productivity.[15] Since 1995, he has also worked in H.I.V. prevention and AIDS education, co-founding and serving as president and chairman of a non-profit organization, Visions Worldwide, focused on that mission in the U.S and in India.[10] He has been a prominent supporter of Obama's healthcare law.[16]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivek_Murthy

Doctors for America

"Doctors for America" is a national movement of physicians and medical students in the United States with a stated goal of improving affordable health care access. The movement was started in 2008 as "Doctors for Obama" and rapidly grew to 10,000 members within a few months.[1]

The group stated that it had a membership of 15,000 and a presence in all 50 states in September 2009.[citation needed] The "four policy pillars" of the organization are expanding health insurance to all Americans; ensuring high-quality 21st-century care; expanding access to care; and improving practice environments for physicians in order to help them focus on improving patient care. The organization partnered with the American Academy of Family Physicians, the American Medical Student Association, the American College of Physicians, the American Osteopathic Association, and other organizations to promote health reform legislation in Congress to issue an July 30, 2009 open letter to all members of Congress publicly announcing their support for health reform legislation.[2]

Some commentators stated that this large coalition of doctors (the organizations collectively represented nearly 450,000) provided an important counterweight to the American Medical Association's organization's initial opposition to health reform in 2009;[3] later AMA statements supported health reform in principle.[4][5]

Doctors for America also organized a website, Voices of Physicians (www.voicesofphysicians.org), which allowed physicians to publicize their frustrations with the current health system and their recommendations for improvement,[6] and organized house meetings of physicians across the country to talk about health reform,[7] and interactive web talks with figures such as Jacob Hacker and Howard Dean,[8] and participated in White House meetings on health reform.[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors_for_America

Would you please add a link to your post, thank you.

sheshe2

(83,925 posts)
17. Well yes it is a political office, The Surgeon General of The...
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 08:45 PM
Oct 2014

United States always has been.

Because this is, historically, a politcal office. We need something not subject to

political forces.



Nomination for Surgeon General


[Murthy] has come under attack for his relative youth, his support for an assault weapons ban and a Twitter posting in October 2012 when he wrote, "Guns are a health care issue." [...] The White House is still conferring with Senate Democrats on how to advance Murthy's nomination, including possibly postponing a vote until after the November [2014] midterms.[17]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivek_Murthy

So he is against assault weapons...as a DR, I sure would hope so, yet you say that makes him unacceptable?

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
32. First, we have acting Surgeon General. Second, the office has little power or influence
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 12:15 AM
Oct 2014

over the nuts and bolts of public health administration. It is literally a ceremonial post bound by tradition. It's a distraction. Besides take a look at why Senate hasn't moved forward... think it's all the Republicans fault? Only if you consider Blue Dogs Republicans which I would argue is a charitable at best.

Third, I didn't say Murty is unacceptable. He is very acceptable. I just think competence at CDC is more important problem to solve right now, and a Surgeon General would most definitely not solve that problem, unless we need someone to clean up the mess every time CDC's Freiden opens his mouth.

Three Democratic Senate aides with knowledge of where members stood on the nomination said Friday that enough Democrats could oppose Dr. Murthy that he would most likely fail to be confirmed if a vote were held soon.


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/15/us/senate-balks-at-obama-pick-for-surgeon-general.html?_r=0

That's right, Democrats oppose Murthy's view on guns, therefore we have no confirmed Surgeon General.


Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
11. Not forever poisoned. The Office does not belong to any one person, the Office is not symbolic, it
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 08:25 PM
Oct 2014

has less power than other cabinet posts, but it has power, including the power of persuasion backed by holding of the Office.

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
15. I'm a bit bafffled because many claim that Obama has no power of persuasion due to
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 08:40 PM
Oct 2014

political circumstances. Hard to imagine the SG doing any better.

The SG has less power than the head of CDC. In recent decades the SG has made the most impact for the right wingers who appoint pro-life extremists who don't believe in evolution. The reason they can be so politically outspoken is that their jobs don't require tactical nor strategic planning, organizing etc. They are simply there to tell us to eat right and go to church.

Freiden should be fired and immediately replaced with someone more effective in areas of public health emergencies. Obama can make an executive appointment. It is well within his authority and moral boundaries to do so.





sheshe2

(83,925 posts)
20. And he is from Boston to boot!
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 08:50 PM
Oct 2014

No wonder they hate him, Cha!

Yes the NR'effing'A don't like him. Boo effing Hoo!

thanks!

sheshe2

(83,925 posts)
21. Boogles your mind, does it not napkinz!?!!!
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 08:54 PM
Oct 2014

I would do a facepalm, yet I am far to bruised from their stupidity!

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
23. Doesnt obama get 1/2 the blame
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 09:21 PM
Oct 2014

The senate is not a rubber stamp. If they reject this guy, why hasnt Obama nominated somebody else?

Also, I dont think a single republican has voted against the SG, because there has not been a formal vote on him.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
16. Partisan politics.
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 08:43 PM
Oct 2014

It's not politics as we used to know it.

The Republicans have all gone to one side of the room, and they are NOT even talking to the Democrats, unless they have to.
There is no compromising with these lunatics!!!

sheshe2

(83,925 posts)
22. No, it "is not politics as we used to know it."
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 09:02 PM
Oct 2014

The GOP is now and forever bought, lock stock and barrel by the Kochs. To them there is no longer a United States of America, it is The Koch Oligarchy of America. Their motto Money and Power for me and Screw Thee!

So sad, Major~

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
33. Yes, and it has been obvious since Day One --- You Lie! (The racist scumbag that yelled that out . .
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 03:34 AM
Oct 2014

. . is gone now.)
Mission Accomplished!

Because he did what he intended to do -- show a massive amount of disrespect to President Obama!

Just so, he could wear that fact like a flag pin, wear it around for the rest of his life and pretend it was a badge of honor!

At no time in the last 6 years have the Republicans cooperated with President Obama.
He has had to wrench their arms behind their back just to get them to talk to other Democrats, the ones in the House, and those in the Senate.

We need a new Congress -- one that will work WITH President Obama.

I feel the urge to purge all of the racist, scumbag Republicans out of office this year.

The Republicans don't stand up and fight for the rights of people, they only fight for corporations.
Like when Governor Haley of South Carolina said last week that none of the CEO's that she has talked to has complained about the Confederate flag that she flies above the statehouse there in South Carolina.
What the fu*k is wrong with her?
Doesn't she realize that we can hear her say stupid shit like that??

Cha

(297,693 posts)
35. Righteous Rant! The gop Big LIe Machine has done the opposite of working with the President..
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 05:10 AM
Oct 2014

got the long knives out on Jan 20, 2009..

I'll post this here, too..

Eric Cantor, Paul Ryan & Kevin McCarthy: Plot To Sabotage US Economy with Frank Luntz

On January 20, 2009 Republican Leaders in Congress literally plotted to sabotage and undermine U.S. Economy during President Obama's Inauguration


The Guest List:
Frank Luntz - GOP Minister of Propaganda
Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI)
Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA)
Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA),
Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX),
Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-TX),
Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI)
Rep. Dan Lungren (R-CA),
Sen. Jim DeMint (SC-R),
Sen. Jon Kyl (AZ-R),
Sen. Tom Coburn (OK-R),
Sen. John Ensign (NV-R) and
Sen. Bob Corker (TN-R).
Non-lawmakers present Newt Gingrich

During the four hour meeting:

The senior GOP members plotted to bring Congress to a standstill regardless how much it would hurt the American Economy by pledging to obstruct and block President Obama on all legislation.

These Republican members of Congress were not simply airing their complaints regarding the other party's political platform for four long hours. No, these Republican Congressional Policymakers, who were elected to do 'the People's work' were literally plotting to sabotage, undermine and destroy the U.S. Economy.

MOre..
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/08/1098434/-Eric-Cantor-Paul-Ryan-Kevin-McCarthy-Plot-To-Sabotage-US-Economy-with-Frank-Luntz

tritsofme

(17,399 posts)
24. Senate Democrats can confirm the Surgeon General without a single Republican vote.
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 09:26 PM
Oct 2014

I find this blame shifting to Fox News rather bizarre. They say stupid shit all the time, but they don't control the Senate calendar.

tritsofme

(17,399 posts)
30. Right. Because they can't, the filibuster no longer exists for executive nominees
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 11:43 PM
Oct 2014

After the nuclear option was implemented, cloture can be invoked with 50+1 votes.

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