then get rid of the head oops perry.

get rid of the whole board, It says it is a non-profit hospital, but it is run by a for profit company, sort of confuses me a bit. I am sure they would have gotten bonuses for cutting costs.

SO far we know that
1) racism was to blame
2) not having insurance was to blame, but foreign countries have provided free insurance for visitors for a long time
3) being cheap was too blame.

All we know is that there was a breadown along the line inside the hospital.

We don't know what, because they don't know, or aren't saying.

but they did say it, I will check my sources, but for all you knew I could have some inside sources, or it could just be something I believe, which I have a right to say.

Are you saying ebola that did not infect his own family that lived with him when he was contagious has any excuse to infect so many from that hospital? The family even had to stay in the apartment for weeks with his contaminated products.
There is no reason to think the hospital sent a very sick man home form the hospital because he did not need their care unless they cared about insurance.

It is a non-profit hospital and it is run by a for profit company, this I know. I looked it up. I know how companies run, I worked for an outsourcing company and they got bonuses for not paying out money.

SO I amy not know everything in the world, but there are some things I do know.

Dallas public health officials got Mr. Duncan's family out within 24 hours. It would have happened faster, except for the fact Dallas officials could not find an apartment, or rental home for that period of time. There were many mistakes here. From what I am reading, it seems to me the hospital's problem was complacency and ignoring the CDC more than cost cutting. We shall probably see.

complacency is kind of a side of cost cutting, If you don't spend the money to train people, they will be complacent.

I do believe the US government was complacent as long as that disease stayed in Africa.

You are right the family was with him between hospital visits. This is a tragedy. Dallas public health officials did act promptly once notified. The CDC took this seriously. This is why the CDC had protocols, guidelines and recommended training. The CDC cannot force anything right now.

From what I have read, i.e. most hospitals were unprepared, it looks like a lot of complacency and one hospital caught in it.

Yet, we knew the disease was out there. We knew care givers had come here for treatment following infection. We knew the president asked for funds to deal with the epidemic which was spinning out of control in Liberia. We also knew Republicans in Congress did not give him what he wanted.

Imagine this: the hospital follows CDC guidelines, or calls and asks for the patient's transfer to a better prepared hospital. We would now have no health care workers infected and Mr. Duncan might be alive. Would you still be blaming the government for complacency?

they wouldn't have given him a CAT scan, blood tests and meds.

Sometimes people just fuck up.

The hospital administrators weren't responsible for not diagnosing him with ebola and releasing him. I have a hard time believing that if they had even an inkling that was a possiblity, they would have sent him out the door.

Yes, he said we was from Africa. They missed that. But I can assure you it wasn't because they were directed to ignore potential Ebola patients due to their insurance or residency status.

But then I had a cousin die of a heart attack after being sent home from the hospital 3 times in one night as a case of Indigestion, even after he gave his family history of heart disease. He died getting ready to go to a different hospital.

would be providing insurance or any payment for someone travelling to the US.

but showing up without insurance is one of the biggest reasons a hospital will send you out the door PDQ.

I agree that pretty much the entire administration needs to go and that'll probably happen as soon as the lawsuits start to roll in.

odds were the hospital would not ahve worried as much about insurance.

Have to work on communication. sorry.

He should never have been sent away, but he was.

Not one person has contracted ebola as a result of that mistake. The only 2 that have so far were his attending nurses after admission.

I think there is plenty of blame to go around here, at all levels.

in salary and bonuses in 2009?

Or the head of this specific hospital within that holding group who himself earned a little in excess of $1 million in that same 2009 period?

Or both?

Maybe the Presbyterian Church should sever all ties with the hospital and group. Because it's at least nominally non-profit, there are no shareholders or investors one can point to.

You would think this is a Public, State-run hospital from the lack of depth in the reporting of how a private corporation owns this hospital.

Thomas Eric Duncan could very well still be alive today if they had admitted him on that first visit and provided him the care that's required for a person suffering from Ebola. Instead, they gave him tylenol for his severe pain and antibiotics, supposedly to take care of whatever was causing a spiking fever (his temperature went up to 103 while he was right there in that hospital being examined on Sept 26). Sent. him. home.

In one of the multiple misleading dumbass statements released by Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital during the week that Mr. Duncan was dying there, they admitted that the hospital had received alerts from the CDC prior to their first encounter with him, concerning proper action to take with any patients who exhibited symptoms of Ebola, and those alerts included taking a travel history. The administrators in that hospital knew what should have been done and why; did they pass that info on down to their medical staff, did they stress the importance of what needed to be done when a patient informed them that he had come from Liberia only six days earlier?

The rightwingers have jumped on this Bengola train with glee, turning what needs to be seen as a serious global health emergency into an idiotic political game just to sway uninformed people over to their disgusting agenda.

Malaise, did you catch this article from the Washington Post about Ebola? Above all else, ignoring the shrieking ignorant rants of Re-thugs attacking Dr. Frieden, the CDC, or President Obama, my country and every nation of the world needs to step up and go into West Africa to help end this epidemic right where it began.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2014/10/04/how-ebola-sped-out-of-control/

when healthcare is 'for profit'.

This is what happens when all we hear is that government is bad and the market is good.
The free market goons are responsible for this mess. Public health and neo-liberalism cannot co-exist.

As usual the Cubans and the French (Doctors without Borders) are light years ahead of the rest of the world.

Instead, my country is busy haggling over banning, shutting down, isolating, shivering in fear, and pointing fingers at who's to blame.

Fucking idiots cannot stop to think that a deadly disease is poised to soon possibly overtake an entire continent on our planet and if that does happen, all of the barring or quarantining or screening will not prevent it from eventually doing exactly the same thing here.

Instead of the MSM yapping on and on about dangerous feverish nurses on planes, they should be putting out calls for trained nurses, doctors, healthy able-bodied volunteers to go help prevent a world pandemic.

We've sent two good donations to the Doctors Without Borders in the past month. They've been at the forefront of this struggle from the beginning and desperately need any help they can get...brave, conscientious people.



Cuba leads fight against Ebola in Africa as West frets about border security
The island nation has sent hundreds of health workers to help control the deadly infection while richer countries worry about their security – instead of heeding UN warnings that vastly increased resources are urgently needed

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/12/cuba-leads-fights-against-ebola-africa

including medical folks - after the French and Cubans

I do think he needs to get mad and show it a little more often, tho, just like he did that day. Where are the rest of the world "powers", the nations with money and resources to spare? This crisis is no time to be sitting back on our haunches, playing politics; that's part of the reason that Ebola managed to gain the foothold that it has now, due to the politics of those countries in Western Africa (who are now literally screaming out for aid).

But, it's still true that the West has been agonizingly slow to respond. Late to actively step into Africa with everything we've got, seeing as how Doctors Without Borders have been sounding the alarm since early last Spring.

when most likely this is an overall problem with the whole lack of regulations, standards, low taxes etc.

perry brags about it .

the people vote for this crap which may sound good but the result is what we have seen.

because that is the person who most likely at least feels the need to cover butt.