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kentuck

(111,097 posts)
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 08:35 PM Oct 2014

Who thinks Alison Grimes did not vote for Barack Obama??

They just had this conversation on Hardball with Chris Mathews. A couple of the guests said "maybe she didn't vote for Barack Obama? Maybe she wrote in Hillary's name? Maybe she voted for Mitt Romney?

But the question is, if she said she voted for someone else besides Barack Obama, would that not hurt her more than not saying anything? Would you vote for someone that voted for Mitt Romney?

Whether she voted for Obama or not, is it better, in the state where Obama is 29% favorable, just to let people guess who she voted for? She says she is an "independent, Kentucky woman", but she is running as a Democrat?

Wouldn't it be less confusing just to come out and say she voted for Obama but she disagrees with him on several issues?

The politics of deception seems to be working quite well for Republicans, why can't it work for a Democrat? For example, Mitch McConnell is telling the voters of Kentucky that he wants to repeal Obamacare "root and branch" but that they can keep the website, Kynect. And Corey Gardner of Colorado is a sponsor of the "Personhood" bill in Congress, yet, he says there is no such bill?? He is ahead by 6 points in the latest polls. Republicans win with their deceptions.

A good sum of Republicans like Alison Grimes, especially Republican women. She may get a good amount of switchover votes if she continues to say that it is her right to keep her vote private.

Do you think she is making the wrong decision? Is this too deceptive for Democrats to accept?

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Who thinks Alison Grimes did not vote for Barack Obama?? (Original Post) kentuck Oct 2014 OP
who's to say and why is that important? Her business. samsingh Oct 2014 #1
I don't know what the best answer would be yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #9
Will you still feel this way? kentuck Oct 2014 #12
Maybe. Well have to see the poll. yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #22
The best answer would have been . . . brush Oct 2014 #32
I'm a Democrat and I voted for the President Yupster Oct 2014 #40
that's an excellent point samsingh Oct 2014 #56
It doesn't work for Democrats because they don't have talking turds like arthritisR_US Oct 2014 #2
But it confuses the hell out of them.. kentuck Oct 2014 #3
Then I sure as hell hope we become quick learners because I arthritisR_US Oct 2014 #5
I agree with Jonathan Capehart who said there is no good answer to that question. femmocrat Oct 2014 #4
I agree with him too. Too bad chuck toad couldn't have said that because arthritisR_US Oct 2014 #6
She hasn't wavered on her response yet. kentuck Oct 2014 #7
I don't understand Iamthetruth Oct 2014 #17
A good answer would be that both candidates sucked and she picked the lesser evil Hippo_Tron Oct 2014 #42
doesn't matter, if she did not vote for Obama she is an Idiot. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #8
Politics is not so simple sometimes. kentuck Oct 2014 #10
She was trying to be a republican LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #23
She's not running "all over the land"... kentuck Oct 2014 #25
Hey Alison, this is all you needed to say, "Of course i voted for Barak Obama... joeybee12 Oct 2014 #11
I think she was prepared... kentuck Oct 2014 #13
Series-ly? joeybee12 Oct 2014 #16
Whether we like it or not... kentuck Oct 2014 #20
catering to republican fuckthink is abhorent. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #24
In 2016, blue state Senators will be walking yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #39
People also aren't stupid, they know she voted for Obama even if she denies it Hippo_Tron Oct 2014 #44
'also' a shitty choice? LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #46
In the grand scheme of things, we always have two shitty choices in this country Hippo_Tron Oct 2014 #51
He is simply the best to move forward in that direction. Cannot you see that? LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #54
I think she voted for Obama, also. kentuck Oct 2014 #55
I don't think there is a 'win' situation for her here. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #14
I think she decided to try for the women vote... kentuck Oct 2014 #15
She was asked again today by the closeted conservative mouthpiece of Big Coal and KY Republicans... Ykcutnek Oct 2014 #18
she shoulda just said of course I voted for a Democrat and all this shit nonsense LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #48
Nobody... And That's The Problem... It's The Disingenuousness... WillyT Oct 2014 #19
I think she did--and should have said so at once. vixengrl Oct 2014 #21
I think we need to get over this Politicalboi Oct 2014 #26
This is not to be gotten over. Grimes did a great disservice to democrats. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #49
if I was her Id invite obama to campaign for her on KY connect (?) and shut up the racists nt msongs Oct 2014 #27
I think there is a good possibility she didn't... Kalidurga Oct 2014 #28
Nobody which is why the "strategy" is goofy but too late to reverse course now. TheKentuckian Oct 2014 #29
I voted with the vast majority of Americans and my opponent voted for a LOSER. That's the B Calm Oct 2014 #30
yes, the more I think about it the more moronic Grimes sounds. What An Idiot. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #50
she has the RIGHT to keep her vote PRIVATE...... chillfactor Oct 2014 #31
Mitt Romney had the right to keep his tax returns private Hippo_Tron Oct 2014 #45
She answered properly, telling who you voted for is a personal choice, it isn't Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #33
I think she probably did, but who knows? WhiteAndNerdy Oct 2014 #34
There is no doubt... kentuck Oct 2014 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author WhiteAndNerdy Oct 2014 #36
He absolutely would have. I agree. nt WhiteAndNerdy Oct 2014 #37
It sounded like the debate moderator was in league with Mitch on that one. Ken Burch Oct 2014 #43
I think it's none of my business and doesn't matter Warpy Oct 2014 #38
Maybe she DIDN'T vote in that race Ken Burch Oct 2014 #41
I got a feeling... kentuck Oct 2014 #47
What's the big difference between the Clintons and Obama anyways? Cali_Democrat Oct 2014 #52
Besides the race issue...? kentuck Oct 2014 #53
Her voting for Obama or not is no ones business but hers. Autumn Oct 2014 #57
Not just deceptive . . . fadedrose Oct 2014 #58

samsingh

(17,598 posts)
1. who's to say and why is that important? Her business.
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 08:39 PM
Oct 2014

romney, i don't believe even released all his tax returns, and yet was accepted by tens of millions of voters.

there's always a double standard when it comes to repugs versus us.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
9. I don't know what the best answer would be
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 09:00 PM
Oct 2014

But clearly what she said wasn't it. Still diagnosing every word after 2 weeks. Not good. She does not need this distraction.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
22. Maybe. Well have to see the poll.
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 09:56 PM
Oct 2014

She knew she had a huge road to climb getting the Senate Minority Leader out of office. It really is a no mistake election for her. Others have more wiggle room. She doesn't. Is that fair? Doesn't matter.

brush

(53,778 posts)
32. The best answer would have been . . .
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 10:38 PM
Oct 2014

"It's none of your business who I voted for. That's why voting booths have privacy screens on them."

I didn't watch the event where she was asked that question but I hope she said something similar.

If not, I'm starting to wonder if Grimes can think on her feet or not.

She certainly should have been prepared for that question.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
40. I'm a Democrat and I voted for the President
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 11:31 PM
Oct 2014

That doesn't mean I always agree with him, or will always support him.

arthritisR_US

(7,288 posts)
2. It doesn't work for Democrats because they don't have talking turds like
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 08:39 PM
Oct 2014

chuck toad to run their mouths in ads for the repigs.

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
4. I agree with Jonathan Capehart who said there is no good answer to that question.
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 08:43 PM
Oct 2014

Either way, she loses.

Personally, I think it's a sideshow and no one's business how she voted. I was satisfied with her reply at the debate which said as much.

arthritisR_US

(7,288 posts)
6. I agree with him too. Too bad chuck toad couldn't have said that because
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 08:46 PM
Oct 2014

then things might have been shut down on that stupid non issue.

kentuck

(111,097 posts)
7. She hasn't wavered on her response yet.
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 08:53 PM
Oct 2014

I hope she sticks with it. I think people may come around to her view in a couple of weeks? After all, people are tired of giving up every right they have.

Iamthetruth

(487 posts)
17. I don't understand
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 09:40 PM
Oct 2014

I voted for him in 2008 and I'm not ashamed to say it, I did not vote for him in 2012 and I'm not ashamed to say it. Stick with your beliefs and you will be okay.

Hippo_Tron

(25,453 posts)
42. A good answer would be that both candidates sucked and she picked the lesser evil
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 11:33 PM
Oct 2014

If you want to minimize the importance of the presidential vote, talk about how neither candidate stood up for working class people and so we all had to pick a lesser evil. The majority of Kentuckians picked one, she picked the other. The important thing is that she offers them a choice that neither presidential candidate gave them.

 

LawDeeDah

(1,596 posts)
8. doesn't matter, if she did not vote for Obama she is an Idiot.
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 08:56 PM
Oct 2014

this is all so strange. Why a Democrat would hesitate to say who that 1 tiny vote went for.
Teeny bit of respect gone for Grimes, but still McTurtle has my whole hog ton of disrespect.
Stupid games. Stupid media.

kentuck

(111,097 posts)
10. Politics is not so simple sometimes.
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 09:04 PM
Oct 2014

They battle to control the psychology of the simple-minded. They demonize each other. They lie about each other. As Mao said, ""Politics is war without bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."

Democrats tend to be idealists, honest and trustworthy. And they wonder why the scoundrels win?

 

LawDeeDah

(1,596 posts)
23. She was trying to be a republican
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 09:57 PM
Oct 2014

I understand that in red states Democrats are tied in and have to do unsavories for one day being able to do great savouries.

Sorry, Grimes was a loser in this. Did she think this was to be confined to only KY and not piss off a lot of people all over the land?

Still, wishes and hopes she wins, but I don't like her.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
11. Hey Alison, this is all you needed to say, "Of course i voted for Barak Obama...
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 09:04 PM
Oct 2014

I may not agree with him on anything, but I certainly wasn't going to vote for Mitt Romney who represents all the failed policies that have hurt the working people of our great state."

How the eff did she not know she would be asked this and was not prepared?

kentuck

(111,097 posts)
13. I think she was prepared...
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 09:08 PM
Oct 2014

..and I think she made the decision that your response was a sure loser for her in the state of Kentucky. McConnell wanted her to say that so bad he could taste it.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
16. Series-ly?
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 09:37 PM
Oct 2014

Well, she got bad advice...she lost the election with that response...she and/or her people are clueless as to how the media works...looks like we'll be seeing more of turtle neck. She's a Dem, she' supposed to vote Dem...stupid, stupid if she thinks what i said was the wrong response.

kentuck

(111,097 posts)
20. Whether we like it or not...
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 09:47 PM
Oct 2014

...Obama has been demonized to the point that any connection to him is a loser. Automatic. If she has a chance, she has to do it without Obama.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
39. In 2016, blue state Senators will be walking
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 11:26 PM
Oct 2014

The same situation. It should be fun to see them squirm.

Hippo_Tron

(25,453 posts)
44. People also aren't stupid, they know she voted for Obama even if she denies it
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 11:37 PM
Oct 2014

Joybee is correct, the best thing she could do is remind them that Mitt Romney was also a shitty choice.

 

LawDeeDah

(1,596 posts)
46. 'also' a shitty choice?
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 11:41 PM
Oct 2014

does any slightly left leaning person think Obama is anywhere near also here?
where am I, wake me up.

Hippo_Tron

(25,453 posts)
51. In the grand scheme of things, we always have two shitty choices in this country
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 11:50 PM
Oct 2014

Obama and the Democratic Party are farther to the right than the conservative parties in most of Western Europe. The effects of not having a real left wing party in this country are abundantly clear in a state like Kentucky that suffers from extreme poverty.

Obama is miles better than Mitt Romney and the Republicans. But being better than a bunch of reactionary nutbags who want to take us back to the 19th century, doesn't make him a good choice. He's simply the best we've got.

 

LawDeeDah

(1,596 posts)
54. He is simply the best to move forward in that direction. Cannot you see that?
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 11:56 PM
Oct 2014

You wallow in the glass half empty, I see the glass half full and That is Obama, finally after decades of decadence.

Fill that glass up further because no one in the last many decades has given you that opportunity, especially under such difficult circumstance.

Work with what you got, And Support It, not what you wish for. This is reality and not fantasy. You will not see anything like the President now, ever again in your lifetime.

kentuck

(111,097 posts)
55. I think she voted for Obama, also.
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 12:42 AM
Oct 2014

And I hope most Democrats think that. They should think that.

But if some Republicans and some Independents want to think otherwise, then let them. If they can only vote for her if they think she did not vote for Obama, then let them.

It will either be one of the all-time brilliant strategies or it will be an historic "fail"?

But what were her odds otherwise?

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
14. I don't think there is a 'win' situation for her here.
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 09:09 PM
Oct 2014

If she didn't vote for Obama, that'll piss off one group of people she really wants to vote for her. If she did, it'll piss off a different group.

If she continues to refuse to say, that'll be used against her in one way, and if she does give in, it'll be used against her in another way.

kentuck

(111,097 posts)
15. I think she decided to try for the women vote...
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 09:14 PM
Oct 2014

with some cross-over Republicans and some Independents, and if she could get enough Democrats to the polls, she could defeat Mitch McConnell. I think that is her strategy. I think it will work.

 

Ykcutnek

(1,305 posts)
18. She was asked again today by the closeted conservative mouthpiece of Big Coal and KY Republicans...
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 09:44 PM
Oct 2014

Steve Hensley of WYMT.

http://www.wkyt.com/wymt/home/headlines/Grimes-continues-to-dodge-question-of-who-she-voted-for-279624262.html

I hate that fucking channel and the creepy drones who work there. WYMT is the FOX NEWS of East KY.

 

LawDeeDah

(1,596 posts)
48. she shoulda just said of course I voted for a Democrat and all this shit nonsense
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 11:43 PM
Oct 2014

would not live so long. I'm not in a good mood, so fuck ya Grimes, you slightly better than a fuck ya McTurtle by what you show.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
19. Nobody... And That's The Problem... It's The Disingenuousness...
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 09:46 PM
Oct 2014

She should have just said...

'My vote is private and personal... so I don't have to answer that question. That said... Yeah I voted for President Obama... twice... I also voted for John Kerry, Al Gore, and Bill Clinton...

I'm a DEMOCRAT... I tend to vote for fellow Democrats...

Would you please ask Senator McConnell if he voted for Mitt Romney, John McCain, GWB, GWB, and Bob Dole ???'


vixengrl

(2,686 posts)
21. I think she did--and should have said so at once.
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 09:52 PM
Oct 2014

I think the answer that "I'm a Democrat, and voted for the Democratic candidate--which does not mean I agree with him on everything" is simple, to the point, and believable, which calls for less questioning that not really saying. Not really saying is almost like being ashamed. And I think it's better for a person to be rejected for their truth than for a plausible untruth.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
26. I think we need to get over this
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 10:10 PM
Oct 2014

She made a mistake IMO. Will she tell us if she voted for herself this time, or is that a secret too.

I'm sorry but it's done. Hopefully she'll do something that will bring McTurtle to his knees by Nov 4th. I want her to win believe it or not.

 

LawDeeDah

(1,596 posts)
49. This is not to be gotten over. Grimes did a great disservice to democrats.
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 11:47 PM
Oct 2014

who advised her to shit on herself like that, or was it to shit on Obama?

I can take a guess.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
28. I think there is a good possibility she didn't...
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 10:18 PM
Oct 2014

I know people who are in deep Blue states and online I have contact with people in deep Red states. I am told by some that they vote third party to try to get them a certain percentage of points so they can get some kind of funding. I don't know or care how it works, but it makes sense to me. I do that occasionally.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
29. Nobody which is why the "strategy" is goofy but too late to reverse course now.
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 10:25 PM
Oct 2014

Why look shifty for no reason? It's silly.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
30. I voted with the vast majority of Americans and my opponent voted for a LOSER. That's the
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 10:35 PM
Oct 2014

correct answer to the question. Playing in the middle of the road and she was ran over by a damn turtle. She blew it!

 

LawDeeDah

(1,596 posts)
50. yes, the more I think about it the more moronic Grimes sounds. What An Idiot.
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 11:49 PM
Oct 2014

unless forces where forced on her to be moronic, when she really is not.

chillfactor

(7,576 posts)
31. she has the RIGHT to keep her vote PRIVATE......
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 10:38 PM
Oct 2014

like any one of us....I never tell anyone who I voted for.....that is my right just like it is Ms. Grimes...

Hippo_Tron

(25,453 posts)
45. Mitt Romney had the right to keep his tax returns private
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 11:39 PM
Oct 2014

Doesn't mean that it's a wise decision when you're running for office.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
33. She answered properly, telling who you voted for is a personal choice, it isn't
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 10:39 PM
Oct 2014

A question which can result in a stand on the issues. Perhaps she should have in turn ask him why he voted against ACA which is helping so many of Kentucky citizens.

WhiteAndNerdy

(365 posts)
34. I think she probably did, but who knows?
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 10:50 PM
Oct 2014

I support her not answering the question. It was an ambush intended to make her look bad no matter how she answered, and people have unfortunately reacted exactly as the interviewer intended. We should all be able to see through that and not reward it.

kentuck

(111,097 posts)
35. There is no doubt...
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 11:06 PM
Oct 2014

...but that Mitch McConnell wanted her to admit she voted for Barack Obama so he could run it in his campaign ads. He believed that was all he needed to win the race. It was a trap that was set for her and they became angry that she did not fall for it, in my opinion. Whether it was wise or not does not change that fact.

Response to kentuck (Reply #35)

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
43. It sounded like the debate moderator was in league with Mitch on that one.
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 11:34 PM
Oct 2014

For those out of state, who WAS that guy? Was he the sort who'd be in the tank for Yertle?

(He had kind of a prosecutor vibe, from what I saw of him).

Warpy

(111,261 posts)
38. I think it's none of my business and doesn't matter
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 11:14 PM
Oct 2014

who she voted for or if she voted at all.

If I lived in Kentucky, I'd look at what she'd do for me and everybody else, like vote against Republicans trying to destroy the ACA.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
41. Maybe she DIDN'T vote in that race
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 11:33 PM
Oct 2014

Maybe she left that one unmarked and voted in all the OTHER races.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
52. What's the big difference between the Clintons and Obama anyways?
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 11:52 PM
Oct 2014

Look at their policies. I don't see much difference.

Why so quick to embrace the Clintons but not Obama when they're so similar?

kentuck

(111,097 posts)
53. Besides the race issue...?
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 11:56 PM
Oct 2014

McConnell and the Repubs have demonized Obama for the last 6 years. Even Jesus would have been booed off the stage if he had to go thru such treatment. Also, Bill Clinton was just a little better than Obama at the "politics" game than Barack Obama. Also, the economy was much better under Clinton than Obama. And in some parts of Eastern Kentucky, not the entire state, I'm certain race plays a part.

Autumn

(45,089 posts)
57. Her voting for Obama or not is no ones business but hers.
Sun Oct 19, 2014, 11:48 AM
Oct 2014

Maybe she voted for Mickey Mouse. Don't bother me at all.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
58. Not just deceptive . . .
Sun Oct 19, 2014, 11:49 AM
Oct 2014

Also fearful. She's afraid of the voters because of Obama, but offending the Clinton's who have also criticized Obama is another cause for fear.

One has to go under the bus...

Hope she wins, not because she's a loyal 3rd Way Democrat, I'm just so tired of McConnell.

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