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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWho thinks Alison Grimes did not vote for Barack Obama??
They just had this conversation on Hardball with Chris Mathews. A couple of the guests said "maybe she didn't vote for Barack Obama? Maybe she wrote in Hillary's name? Maybe she voted for Mitt Romney?
But the question is, if she said she voted for someone else besides Barack Obama, would that not hurt her more than not saying anything? Would you vote for someone that voted for Mitt Romney?
Whether she voted for Obama or not, is it better, in the state where Obama is 29% favorable, just to let people guess who she voted for? She says she is an "independent, Kentucky woman", but she is running as a Democrat?
Wouldn't it be less confusing just to come out and say she voted for Obama but she disagrees with him on several issues?
The politics of deception seems to be working quite well for Republicans, why can't it work for a Democrat? For example, Mitch McConnell is telling the voters of Kentucky that he wants to repeal Obamacare "root and branch" but that they can keep the website, Kynect. And Corey Gardner of Colorado is a sponsor of the "Personhood" bill in Congress, yet, he says there is no such bill?? He is ahead by 6 points in the latest polls. Republicans win with their deceptions.
A good sum of Republicans like Alison Grimes, especially Republican women. She may get a good amount of switchover votes if she continues to say that it is her right to keep her vote private.
Do you think she is making the wrong decision? Is this too deceptive for Democrats to accept?
samsingh
(17,598 posts)romney, i don't believe even released all his tax returns, and yet was accepted by tens of millions of voters.
there's always a double standard when it comes to repugs versus us.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)But clearly what she said wasn't it. Still diagnosing every word after 2 weeks. Not good. She does not need this distraction.
kentuck
(111,097 posts)If she is ahead in the next legitimate poll? :-
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)She knew she had a huge road to climb getting the Senate Minority Leader out of office. It really is a no mistake election for her. Others have more wiggle room. She doesn't. Is that fair? Doesn't matter.
brush
(53,778 posts)"It's none of your business who I voted for. That's why voting booths have privacy screens on them."
I didn't watch the event where she was asked that question but I hope she said something similar.
If not, I'm starting to wonder if Grimes can think on her feet or not.
She certainly should have been prepared for that question.
Yupster
(14,308 posts)That doesn't mean I always agree with him, or will always support him.
samsingh
(17,598 posts)arthritisR_US
(7,288 posts)chuck toad to run their mouths in ads for the repigs.
kentuck
(111,097 posts)This is 12th dimensional chess.
arthritisR_US
(7,288 posts)haven't seen evidence of it so far
femmocrat
(28,394 posts)Either way, she loses.
Personally, I think it's a sideshow and no one's business how she voted. I was satisfied with her reply at the debate which said as much.
arthritisR_US
(7,288 posts)then things might have been shut down on that stupid non issue.
kentuck
(111,097 posts)I hope she sticks with it. I think people may come around to her view in a couple of weeks? After all, people are tired of giving up every right they have.
Iamthetruth
(487 posts)I voted for him in 2008 and I'm not ashamed to say it, I did not vote for him in 2012 and I'm not ashamed to say it. Stick with your beliefs and you will be okay.
Hippo_Tron
(25,453 posts)If you want to minimize the importance of the presidential vote, talk about how neither candidate stood up for working class people and so we all had to pick a lesser evil. The majority of Kentuckians picked one, she picked the other. The important thing is that she offers them a choice that neither presidential candidate gave them.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)this is all so strange. Why a Democrat would hesitate to say who that 1 tiny vote went for.
Teeny bit of respect gone for Grimes, but still McTurtle has my whole hog ton of disrespect.
Stupid games. Stupid media.
kentuck
(111,097 posts)They battle to control the psychology of the simple-minded. They demonize each other. They lie about each other. As Mao said, ""Politics is war without bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."
Democrats tend to be idealists, honest and trustworthy. And they wonder why the scoundrels win?
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)I understand that in red states Democrats are tied in and have to do unsavories for one day being able to do great savouries.
Sorry, Grimes was a loser in this. Did she think this was to be confined to only KY and not piss off a lot of people all over the land?
Still, wishes and hopes she wins, but I don't like her.
kentuck
(111,097 posts)She's running in Kentucky.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)I may not agree with him on anything, but I certainly wasn't going to vote for Mitt Romney who represents all the failed policies that have hurt the working people of our great state."
How the eff did she not know she would be asked this and was not prepared?
kentuck
(111,097 posts)..and I think she made the decision that your response was a sure loser for her in the state of Kentucky. McConnell wanted her to say that so bad he could taste it.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)Well, she got bad advice...she lost the election with that response...she and/or her people are clueless as to how the media works...looks like we'll be seeing more of turtle neck. She's a Dem, she' supposed to vote Dem...stupid, stupid if she thinks what i said was the wrong response.
kentuck
(111,097 posts)...Obama has been demonized to the point that any connection to him is a loser. Automatic. If she has a chance, she has to do it without Obama.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)The same situation. It should be fun to see them squirm.
Hippo_Tron
(25,453 posts)Joybee is correct, the best thing she could do is remind them that Mitt Romney was also a shitty choice.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)does any slightly left leaning person think Obama is anywhere near also here?
where am I, wake me up.
Hippo_Tron
(25,453 posts)Obama and the Democratic Party are farther to the right than the conservative parties in most of Western Europe. The effects of not having a real left wing party in this country are abundantly clear in a state like Kentucky that suffers from extreme poverty.
Obama is miles better than Mitt Romney and the Republicans. But being better than a bunch of reactionary nutbags who want to take us back to the 19th century, doesn't make him a good choice. He's simply the best we've got.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)You wallow in the glass half empty, I see the glass half full and That is Obama, finally after decades of decadence.
Fill that glass up further because no one in the last many decades has given you that opportunity, especially under such difficult circumstance.
Work with what you got, And Support It, not what you wish for. This is reality and not fantasy. You will not see anything like the President now, ever again in your lifetime.
kentuck
(111,097 posts)And I hope most Democrats think that. They should think that.
But if some Republicans and some Independents want to think otherwise, then let them. If they can only vote for her if they think she did not vote for Obama, then let them.
It will either be one of the all-time brilliant strategies or it will be an historic "fail"?
But what were her odds otherwise?
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)If she didn't vote for Obama, that'll piss off one group of people she really wants to vote for her. If she did, it'll piss off a different group.
If she continues to refuse to say, that'll be used against her in one way, and if she does give in, it'll be used against her in another way.
kentuck
(111,097 posts)with some cross-over Republicans and some Independents, and if she could get enough Democrats to the polls, she could defeat Mitch McConnell. I think that is her strategy. I think it will work.
Ykcutnek
(1,305 posts)Steve Hensley of WYMT.
http://www.wkyt.com/wymt/home/headlines/Grimes-continues-to-dodge-question-of-who-she-voted-for-279624262.html
I hate that fucking channel and the creepy drones who work there. WYMT is the FOX NEWS of East KY.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)would not live so long. I'm not in a good mood, so fuck ya Grimes, you slightly better than a fuck ya McTurtle by what you show.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)She should have just said...
'My vote is private and personal... so I don't have to answer that question. That said... Yeah I voted for President Obama... twice... I also voted for John Kerry, Al Gore, and Bill Clinton...
I'm a DEMOCRAT... I tend to vote for fellow Democrats...
Would you please ask Senator McConnell if he voted for Mitt Romney, John McCain, GWB, GWB, and Bob Dole ???'
vixengrl
(2,686 posts)I think the answer that "I'm a Democrat, and voted for the Democratic candidate--which does not mean I agree with him on everything" is simple, to the point, and believable, which calls for less questioning that not really saying. Not really saying is almost like being ashamed. And I think it's better for a person to be rejected for their truth than for a plausible untruth.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)She made a mistake IMO. Will she tell us if she voted for herself this time, or is that a secret too.
I'm sorry but it's done. Hopefully she'll do something that will bring McTurtle to his knees by Nov 4th. I want her to win believe it or not.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)who advised her to shit on herself like that, or was it to shit on Obama?
I can take a guess.
msongs
(67,406 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I know people who are in deep Blue states and online I have contact with people in deep Red states. I am told by some that they vote third party to try to get them a certain percentage of points so they can get some kind of funding. I don't know or care how it works, but it makes sense to me. I do that occasionally.
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)Why look shifty for no reason? It's silly.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)correct answer to the question. Playing in the middle of the road and she was ran over by a damn turtle. She blew it!
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)unless forces where forced on her to be moronic, when she really is not.
chillfactor
(7,576 posts)like any one of us....I never tell anyone who I voted for.....that is my right just like it is Ms. Grimes...
Hippo_Tron
(25,453 posts)Doesn't mean that it's a wise decision when you're running for office.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)A question which can result in a stand on the issues. Perhaps she should have in turn ask him why he voted against ACA which is helping so many of Kentucky citizens.
WhiteAndNerdy
(365 posts)I support her not answering the question. It was an ambush intended to make her look bad no matter how she answered, and people have unfortunately reacted exactly as the interviewer intended. We should all be able to see through that and not reward it.
kentuck
(111,097 posts)...but that Mitch McConnell wanted her to admit she voted for Barack Obama so he could run it in his campaign ads. He believed that was all he needed to win the race. It was a trap that was set for her and they became angry that she did not fall for it, in my opinion. Whether it was wise or not does not change that fact.
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WhiteAndNerdy
(365 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)For those out of state, who WAS that guy? Was he the sort who'd be in the tank for Yertle?
(He had kind of a prosecutor vibe, from what I saw of him).
Warpy
(111,261 posts)who she voted for or if she voted at all.
If I lived in Kentucky, I'd look at what she'd do for me and everybody else, like vote against Republicans trying to destroy the ACA.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Maybe she left that one unmarked and voted in all the OTHER races.
kentuck
(111,097 posts)We will never know.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Look at their policies. I don't see much difference.
Why so quick to embrace the Clintons but not Obama when they're so similar?
kentuck
(111,097 posts)McConnell and the Repubs have demonized Obama for the last 6 years. Even Jesus would have been booed off the stage if he had to go thru such treatment. Also, Bill Clinton was just a little better than Obama at the "politics" game than Barack Obama. Also, the economy was much better under Clinton than Obama. And in some parts of Eastern Kentucky, not the entire state, I'm certain race plays a part.
Autumn
(45,089 posts)Maybe she voted for Mickey Mouse. Don't bother me at all.
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)Also fearful. She's afraid of the voters because of Obama, but offending the Clinton's who have also criticized Obama is another cause for fear.
One has to go under the bus...
Hope she wins, not because she's a loyal 3rd Way Democrat, I'm just so tired of McConnell.