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Logical

(22,457 posts)
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 10:20 PM Oct 2014

Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

WASHINGTON — The police officer who fatally shot Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., two months ago has told investigators that he was pinned in his vehicle and in fear for his life as he struggled over his gun with Mr. Brown, according to government officials briefed on the federal civil rights investigation into the matter.

The officer, Darren Wilson, has told the authorities that during the scuffle, Mr. Brown reached for the gun. It was fired twice in the car, according to forensics tests performed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The first bullet struck Mr. Brown in the arm; the second bullet missed.

The forensics tests showed Mr. Brown’s blood on the gun, as well as on the interior door panel and on Officer Wilson’s uniform. Officer Wilson told the authorities that Mr. Brown had punched and scratched him repeatedly, leaving swelling on his face and cuts on his neck.

This is the first public account of Officer Wilson’s testimony to investigators, but it does not explain why, after he emerged from his vehicle, he fired at Mr. Brown multiple times. It contradicts some witness accounts, and it will not calm those who have been demanding to know why an unarmed man was shot a total of six times. Mr. Brown’s death continues to fuel anger and sometimes-violent protests.


More at: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/18/us/ferguson-case-officer-is-said-to-cite-struggle.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=HpSum&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
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Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle (Original Post) Logical Oct 2014 OP
He might have had a case Mz Pip Oct 2014 #1
Anything Wilson says relating to slaying Brown will never be more than BS JimDandy Oct 2014 #2
^^^^^^ Lochloosa Oct 2014 #4
All your points are perfect! Nt Logical Oct 2014 #11
Fits with what we knew so far. philosslayer Oct 2014 #3
Huh? Tried to pull him into the car? tkmorris Oct 2014 #6
Witnesses did say something about Politicalboi Oct 2014 #12
Bwahahaha! I'm sure it happened just like that! blkmusclmachine Oct 2014 #5
I guess the NY Times no longer employs editors with a command of the English KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #7
Sure, I believe him---NOT! BillZBubb Oct 2014 #8
The very first comment on the Times article (from a writer screen-named KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #9
Thanks for this. I never trust a local prosecutors to ever do the right thing with the... Logical Oct 2014 #10

Mz Pip

(27,449 posts)
1. He might have had a case
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 10:24 PM
Oct 2014

IF he discharged his weapon during an actual struggle for the gun.

But that's not what happened. Struggle or not, and I'm skeptical that there even was one, he had no right to shoot Brown as he walked away.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
2. Anything Wilson says relating to slaying Brown will never be more than BS
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 10:42 PM
Oct 2014

to me. He's had months to concoct this story. As a police officer, he himself would never accept as credible a story an accused criminal told months after a crime, especially when the accused criminal had full access to witness statements and all evidence.

Absolute BS.

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
3. Fits with what we knew so far.
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 10:46 PM
Oct 2014

The evidence just confirms what we all knew. Strengthens it in fact. The officer tried to pull Michael into the car, and then shot him, hitting him in the arm. When Michael fled for his life, the officer gunned him down.

tkmorris

(11,138 posts)
6. Huh? Tried to pull him into the car?
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 11:01 PM
Oct 2014

Through the window? I'm not sure what you are saying here.

It doesn't matter much to me, I am convinced Wilson shot that boy down in cold blood, but I am not understanding your version of events.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
12. Witnesses did say something about
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 12:23 AM
Oct 2014

The cop trying to pull Micheal into his car. But the cop was probably just trying to hold him and it looked like he was pulling him in as Michael was pulling away. Then he got out of his car and shot him down for no reason. I would think there may have been fingerprints on the lying cops gun holster to prove Michael tried to take his gun which I doubt.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
7. I guess the NY Times no longer employs editors with a command of the English
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 11:01 PM
Oct 2014

language:

"This is the first public account of Officer Wilson’s testimony to investigators" (Emphasis added).

An interview with investigators IS NOT 'testimony' (although lying to federal investigators carries serious penalties). It is, at most, a witness statement, no more and no less.

This article in full is quite eye-opening and smells a bit like a 'plant' or 'leak' by someone with a pro-Wilson agenda.

As for Brown's blood being in the SUV and on Wilson's uniform, what efforts were made by that Ferguson death squad to secure the vehicle and Wilson's uniform before Wilson himself could contaminate the crime scene?

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
8. Sure, I believe him---NOT!
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 11:34 PM
Oct 2014

Wilson had ample opportunity to "contaminate" the evidence. Then, he pulled tired but effective cop get-out-of-jail-free card -- he feared for his life.

Did any of the autopsies find traces of Wilson's skin under Brown's nails? I don't recall seeing that.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
9. The very first comment on the Times article (from a writer screen-named
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 11:41 PM
Oct 2014

'jas2200') is worthy of re-printing here:

This shows what is wrong with our system of handling police shootings. The prosecutor is not going to present the case to the grand jury in an effort to get an indictment, as he would if it were not a cop. If he did, how would he work with police in other cases. So instead of presenting the best case he can for indictment, as he would with other individuals, he puts on a case favorable to the cop. Nobody is there to object or present evidence of guilt. The prosecutor is in compete control. He puts the cop on and instead of acting as a prosecutor, he gently takes the cop through his story. Nobody cross-examines to bring out consistencies. The grand jury has seen the cop before testifying in other cases. The witnesses adverse to the cop, if presented, are cross-examined aggressively and not allowed to tell their stories in full. Contradictions are pointed out in the testimony of witnesses adverse to the officer, but not those favorable to him. If the fix was not in, no defense attorney would allow a murder suspect to testify for 4 hours before a Grand Jury. The low hurdle at this stage is probable cause to believe a crime was committed and the defendant did it. In the normal Grand Jury proceeding, the eye witnesses who saw this would be put on and no defense would be. There is far more evidence in this case to support a trial than in many. But the fix is in and there will be no indictment, no trial and no chance for the public to hear all the evidence.


McCulloch has to work with the cops after this case is over, so the last thing he wants to do is make it look like he's going after cops. Means McCulloch must be pressured to recuse himself and Gov Nixon MUST appoint a special prosecutor, one with no discernible ties to the cops.

Otherwise, St. Louis should prepare itself to burn to the ground.
 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
10. Thanks for this. I never trust a local prosecutors to ever do the right thing with the...
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 11:43 PM
Oct 2014

Local police.

The police union get pissed off and then they stop helping the local prosecutor.





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