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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsYeah, the GOP is evil and will win, but the midterms are meaningless - Salon Article:
I thought this was an interesting take on the midterms. I don't think they are meaningless at all (so excited to vote for all the great MN candidates !! My faves - Senator Franken, Congressman Ellison, Governor Dayton and so on......), but it is only 2 years, Obama has the veto pen and it will be good to show the public how crazy the Repubs really are. Once we see the shit hit the fan in Texas when so many people will not be able to vote, the Repub senate getting rid of the filibuster, sending crazy bills to be signed, impeaching Obama, it will only get better. Whether you are a Hillary fan or not, we will have the presidency and the senate in 2016.
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A few weeks ago in this space, I brought up an apparent contradiction at the heart of American government, in current theory and practice. Barack Obama occupies the White House in an era of extreme and perhaps unprecedented executive power, a species of elected king who can spy on anyone in the world, order the killing of American citizens without due process and wage secret wars by remote control. Yet in terms of conventional Washington politics, he cant get anything done. The legislative branch has been paralyzed since the middle of his first term, and political discourse has grown ever more toxic. His own party has no clear mission or agenda beyond being less pathological than the opposition party, whose appeal rests largely on racial panic, xenophobia and anti-government paranoia, and whose only visible agenda is obstructionism.
It should be obvious to everyone who isnt a profoundly deluded partisan loyalist that nothing that could possibly happen in the 2014 midterm elections will change any of that.
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/18/yeah_the_gop_is_evil_and_will_win_but_the_midterms_are_meaningless/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)Then this election will mean everything. Obama better have his Veto pen handy if they don't.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)and when they did, it required a lot of DEM arm twisting too. "If only we had both houses" is just the excuse you'll see until they do, and then it will be "we need 60 in the senate" and if they ever have that again, it will be something else.
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Oh, boy!
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Come on make a prediction!!!
Or just shit stir.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Me neither.
But I remember when I predicted he'd call for cuts, and I was right. Seems like you're still pretty irritated by that.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)those terrible events are really really really really likely to happen very very very soon.
That allows you to maintain your clairvoyance about the evil Obama and his dastardly plans, regardless of what actually happens.
Which is what you statement does. Obama is going to do something evil, you just can't say what it is or when it will happen. But folks should be very upset about it.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)not me. I don't recall having ever brought it up on ce Obama made his position clear.
I only made that prediction when I did to raise the alarm that mischief was afoot. At this point, people basically understand that, if they ever will.
It didn't require clairvoyance of any sort, just eyes, ears, and a reasonable grasp of English.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)It just avoids saying what it will be.
Then others can join you and be very upset about the things that will probably maybe happen very very soon.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Just to pick one example, did Obama not railroad through three job-destroying "free" trade bills?
Do you think he'd turn down the TPP if given the chance? Or other "free" trade anti-personnel bombs?
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)See .. you started way back when, by saying Obama was going to GUT and SLASH social security.
It never happened.
Now, you use "TPP" as a catch all.
But that, like your "other free rade anti-personnel bombs" reference, is detail free.
It is just more nonspecific outrage. The kind of outrage that requires no real details.
Which is the best kind of outrage ... even if nothing ever happens ... the outrage came to be and served its purpose.
You avoid details and specific predictions because doing so allows the outrage to exists no matter what happens.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)conversation over.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)the pukes were hell bent on cutting SS up until Obama suggested some cuts then there was no more talk of cutting SS from the pukes. I think and I think the President knew that all he would have to do to stop the shit talk was to suggest what he did. It worked and 2 years down the road and no more talk about cutting SS, 'ceptin on DU that is
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)over letting the Bush tax cuts expire?
Great bluff!
He ended up agreeing to make 82% of them permanent.
I think the record shows that the Republicans couldn't get Cantor and his Tea Party lunatics to agree on the deal to cut SS because it wasn't enough of a cut.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Obama is a BASTARD!!!!
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)I didn't know that!
I'll have to check into that.
madokie
(51,076 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)If it does point me in the direction so I can confirm it for my own satisfaction because cantor and his lunatics would have taken anything they could have gotten providing that they didn't look like they were working with the president cause if that was to be they damn sure wouldn't do it even if it was what they wanted. Thats what the record I've been following will show anyway
I know you say you are not against Obama but if your record of OP's is any indication I think that is bull too
boguspotus
(286 posts)But if he agrees to cutting SS - with the chained CPI or agrees to the Keystone pipeline, then I'm fucking done.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... I'm done too!!!
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)It's more unwarranted and unmerited jabs at a Democratic President again.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)I still remember 1994. Bill Clinton shit sideways and went half blind after the mid-term ass kicking. Then he turned right.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)If public opinion shifts, then shouldn't the POTUS shift with it? I mean, you've got liberals here day in & day out telling us how much he sucks, which seems like a pretty coordinated effort. That is, if you pay attention to the leftier-than-thou nonsense that passes for internet liberalism these days.
They're just hanging around long enough to say I told you so, if we lose the Senate. Of course, it's the internet, where you never know who you're really speaking to, "Better Believe It" showed us that.
Marr
(20,317 posts)That's been demonstrated over and over.
So no, if people who previously identified themselves as Democrats fail to turn out, it does not mean the country has shifted right. It will mean the mushy "middle" has once again proven themselves too unreliable to bank on.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)What does that mean?
madokie
(51,076 posts)and the ones who do maybe shouldn't vote anyway if we want a dem majority that is. We have a lot of posters who claim to be dems running up and down the halls of du screaming the dems are going to lose, the dems are going to lose when in reality they just might be wolves in sheep's clothing
riqster
(13,986 posts)Both out to hurt Dem turnout, for very different reasons.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)and holds Kansas,GA,and KT.
At best Dem's have 6 pickup possibility's In 2016 If things go our way
Illinois
Wisconsin
Ohio
PA
NH
Florida
slim possibility NC could be competitive
Missouri might have been a chance of ousting Blunt but Jay Nixon and other MO Dem's have pissed off blacks In Mo why should they
come out to vote.No Mo democrat can get elected without strong turnout In St louis and Kansas City but it was more important to protect white police who likely vote Republican over the poor Blacks who are part of democratic base.
If we lose 8 or 9 seats In november GOP will have a permanent republican congress till at least 2022.
The country will be hurting with the social safety being cut under GOP congress and all hope is on Obama to veto
And get ready for the Obama impeachment of 2015 although they won't be able to remove him from office.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)boguspotus
(286 posts)We will just have to deal with it and hope the repub clown car implodes. I'm really wondering what the impact will be with the TX voter ID law for this election? Wouldn't you think that there would be close to rioting in the streets if hundreds of thousands of people can't vote?
djean111
(14,255 posts)Needs a 2/3 vote.
boguspotus
(286 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)Amazing how many ways the voter suppression movement rears its ugly head, innit?
No doubt!
Hutzpa
(11,461 posts)what made you choose the handle BOGUSPOTUS?
boguspotus
(286 posts)I chose Boguspotus because when I signed up here it was 2001! As you can see I hardly ever post stuff, I'm a lurker big, big time. And I really enjoy reading DU and people's commentary here every day. But I just recently decided to post more - why not? It's only been a few years over a decade : )
And if I get a chance to change my handle, I will.