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kpete

(72,022 posts)
Sun Oct 19, 2014, 10:31 AM Oct 2014

Secret CIA Document: Americans Are “Coarse,” “Emotional” and Lack Civility

September 19, 2014

Secret CIA Document: Americans Are “Coarse,” “Emotional” and Lack Civility

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The CIA has just declassified an article from its in-house magazine "Studies in Intelligence” embodying this dynamic. The article describes the CIA’s response to Gary Webb's 1996 San Jose Mercury News series "Dark Alliance" about the CIA’s protection of Nicaraguan contras whom the CIA knew were smuggling cocaine into the U.S.

Webb’s reporting was accurate and, we now know (partly thanks to an internal CIA investigation triggered by the series) arguably conservative. But from the perspective of "Studies in Intelligence," the problem wasn’t the CIA's alliance with drug dealers; it was that stupid, crude Americans believed this scurrilously accurate nonsense:

…ultimately the CIA-drug story says a lot more about American society on the eve of the millennium than it does about either CIA or the media. We live in somewhat coarse and emotional times—when large numbers of Americans do not adhere to the same standards of logic, evidence, or even civil discourse as those practiced by members of the CIA community.


Hilariously, the sentence about “civil discourse” is footnoted, but if you look at the end of the article, the source attesting to the CIA’s standards of civil discourse is redacted.

Even funnier, this article was declassified as the result of a lawsuit against the CIA by a former employee, Jeffrey Scudder. Scudder had pointed out that the CIA was refusing to release hundreds of decades-old documents that, according to the law, could no longer be kept secret. In response, the CIA very logically and civilly destroyed his career.


MORE:
http://www.tinyrevolution.com/mt/archives/003715.html
Declassified Article Here:
http://www.foia.cia.gov/sites/default/files/DOC_0001372115.pdf
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Secret CIA Document: Americans Are “Coarse,” “Emotional” and Lack Civility (Original Post) kpete Oct 2014 OP
Well, I can't say anything about the CIA Adrahil Oct 2014 #1
This attitude from the government of the United States of America toward its own citizens woo me with science Oct 2014 #9
i'd argue also that it's a convenient "truth" they use nashville_brook Oct 2014 #16
Great insight. Witness the insulting, emotionally driven pageants our "elections" have become. woo me with science Oct 2014 #21
eggsactly -- the hope is to keep us in our lower brain functions nashville_brook Oct 2014 #37
You want them to say that Americans are enlightened, evidence driven people? Adrahil Oct 2014 #17
The Republicans Destroy Civility And Reason - The CIA Uses The Outcome As A Fact - Cui Bono cantbeserious Oct 2014 #20
Corporatism actively creates what is most profitable to it, woo me with science Oct 2014 #22
To Wit The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Own And Control The Politicians That Own And Control Us cantbeserious Oct 2014 #25
Keep speaking the truth. woo me with science Oct 2014 #38
I agree malletgirl02 Oct 2014 #32
States that build surveillance machines woo me with science Oct 2014 #39
well said, the awful truth appalachiablue Oct 2014 #50
LOL, indeed. Ykcutnek Oct 2014 #28
One must be genteel, stoic, and civil when torturing. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #2
No kidding! Solly Mack Oct 2014 #7
Thank you. woo me with science Oct 2014 #10
Emma Goldman had a piquant observation hifiguy Oct 2014 #49
You left a word out... ReRe Oct 2014 #26
"when being torturing" isn't grammatically correct. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #41
I'm sorry... ReRe Oct 2014 #45
Yeah, right? What a joke. The CIA as Emily Post. closeupready Oct 2014 #34
Did they find that in the CIA's "no shit" file? NuclearDem Oct 2014 #3
#FtheCIA Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #4
K&R Solly Mack Oct 2014 #5
*Disclaimer wyldwolf Oct 2014 #6
How nice. You use this to attack DUers woo me with science Oct 2014 #12
How nicer wyldwolf Oct 2014 #15
I bet they're a blast at parties. Ykcutnek Oct 2014 #30
I've been to those parties wyldwolf Oct 2014 #36
Silent with embarrassment for you Fumesucker Oct 2014 #42
It's not difficult with the stinky dirty black Che t-shirt fumesucking crowd wyldwolf Oct 2014 #44
"...the CIA very logically and civilly destroyed his career." woo me with science Oct 2014 #8
Oh, how I love a little Orwell in the afternoon. Brigid Oct 2014 #31
Uh, here's looking back atcha ya scumbags. Talk about projection nt riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #11
"Are you comfortable, sir? With our utmost regard we will now begin the torture." Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #13
Yeah, we may be coarse, emotional and lack civility, but JEB Oct 2014 #14
did anyone see the date of publication of that article? grasswire Oct 2014 #18
per CIA conclusions heaven05 Oct 2014 #19
The Central ''Intelligence'' Agency comments on civil discourse: DeSwiss Oct 2014 #23
Thank you deSwiss kpete Oct 2014 #27
Well, that's the sort of report you get from an orgaization of frat boys. haele Oct 2014 #24
I didn't need the CIA to tell me that. Brigid Oct 2014 #29
Marking to come back to... ReRe Oct 2014 #33
It is better to be malletgirl02 Oct 2014 #35
+1 woo me with science Oct 2014 #40
Got it 100% appalachiablue Oct 2014 #51
DUers figured that out a long time ago... cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #43
NEPOTISM, Thy name is Capitalism's Invisible Army Octafish Oct 2014 #46
read later snagglepuss Oct 2014 #47
It appears to be a rather accurate description... regardless of the motives many are alleging. LanternWaste Oct 2014 #48
FUCK YOU, LANGLEY! Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #52
And CIA agents Aerows Oct 2014 #53
 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
1. Well, I can't say anything about the CIA
Sun Oct 19, 2014, 10:34 AM
Oct 2014

But their assessment is accurate when applied to many Americans. Just check the local Tea Party nuts.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
9. This attitude from the government of the United States of America toward its own citizens
Sun Oct 19, 2014, 11:08 AM
Oct 2014

should chill and enrage every American.

Our government, which is supposed to serve us and represent us.

Our increasingly corporate-owned government, which is systematically dismantling our Constitutional right to protest without meeting a brutal federal response, and our right to a free press without journalists ' being imprisoned for talking to whistleblowers and promising them anonymity.

No, this level of contempt and arrogance toward citizens from the government that is supposed to be ours isn't even remotely okay.

It is an outrage.

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
16. i'd argue also that it's a convenient "truth" they use
Sun Oct 19, 2014, 12:32 PM
Oct 2014

i bet a plurality of Americans aren't all three things all at once, BUT, if you can engage one key feature (say, emotionality) and then use that to inflate the others, then that's a "winning" strategy.

if, on the other hand, the PTB were to engage the our higher functions of rationality and empathy, then i bet you dimes to donuts, we'd see more of those behaviors manifest.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
21. Great insight. Witness the insulting, emotionally driven pageants our "elections" have become.
Sun Oct 19, 2014, 01:08 PM
Oct 2014

All sports event geared to inflame emotions and lock out critical thought. I play a game when watching MSM, timing the amount of screen time given to which team, the Red or the Blue, is ahead and who made a gaffe, versus actual mention of any policy. It's usually a long wait.

And regionally, at least around here, the political commercials aimed at us are at a blatant third grade level and bizarrely focused on topics like sexual violence. Not that sexual violence isn't important, but this is a national election to select the politicians who will be deciding economic policy, war, trade policy...all these issues that are driving this nation into dystopia.

But ads to those assumed and orchestrated to be coarse and crude and emotionally driven must be just like the rest of our programming...created to divert and inflame.

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
37. eggsactly -- the hope is to keep us in our lower brain functions
Sun Oct 19, 2014, 04:31 PM
Oct 2014

limbic systems rather than cerebral cortex.


did advertising for many years -- it's all the same game.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
17. You want them to say that Americans are enlightened, evidence driven people?
Sun Oct 19, 2014, 12:42 PM
Oct 2014

Yeah, tell me that after the midterms. Way too many of us are fucking dumbasses. We either believe the bullshit if the right, or we're too self-absorbed to event vote the fuckers out. My Congressional district is prime example.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
22. Corporatism actively creates what is most profitable to it,
Sun Oct 19, 2014, 01:22 PM
Oct 2014

and then uses the result to indict the victims.

A thoughtful, informed, empathetic public would not tolerate the agenda of crippling austerity, corporate/mind-numbing education policy, assaults on journalism, creation of mass surveillance amd propaganda machines, and protection of corporate predators that CREATES the very coarseness the CIA indicts. The corporate elite in both parties are systematically destroying the avenues left for resistance and dramatically escalating these crippling policies.


You're not being oppressed. You can still type on the Internet!
(There's a facile argument around here somewhere...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5596182

Corporate money floods both sides of the aisle in Washington now, which is why we see these very same predatory policies actively advanced by both parties now.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
39. States that build surveillance machines
Sun Oct 19, 2014, 08:37 PM
Oct 2014

also build propaganda machines.


Obama taps "cognitive infiltrator" Cass Sunstein for Committee to create "trust" in NSA:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023512796

Salon: Obama confidant’s spine-chilling proposal: Cass Sunstein wants the government to "cognitively infiltrate" anti-government groups
http://www.salon.com/2010/01/15/sunstein_2/

The US government's online campaigns of disinformation, manipulation, and smear.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024560097

Snowden: ‘Training Guide’ for GCHQ, NSA Agents Infiltrating and Disrupting Alternative Media Online
http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/02/25/snowden-training-guide-for-gchq-nsa-agents-infiltrating-and-disrupting-alternative-media-online/

The influx of corporate propaganda-spouting posters is blatant and unnatural.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3189367

U.S. Repeals Propaganda Ban, Spreads Government-Made News To Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023262111

The goal of the propaganda assaults across the internet is not to convince anyone of anything.*
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023359801

The government figured out sockpuppet management but not "persona management."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023358242

The Gentleman's Guide To Forum Spies (spooks, feds, etc.)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4159454

Seventeen techniques for truth suppression.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4249741

Just do some Googling on astroturfing - big organizations have some sophisticated tools.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1208351





woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
10. Thank you.
Sun Oct 19, 2014, 11:11 AM
Oct 2014


Every single day the curtain comes down a little more.

“The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.”


― Frank Zappa



 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
49. Emma Goldman had a piquant observation
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 04:33 PM
Oct 2014

"If voting could change anything they would make it illegal."

More true now than ever.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
12. How nice. You use this to attack DUers
Sun Oct 19, 2014, 11:13 AM
Oct 2014

instead of the unconscionable arrogance and condescension of a government that pretends publicly to be representational while privately managing and manipulating us as though we were farm animals for profit.

wyldwolf

(43,870 posts)
15. How nicer
Sun Oct 19, 2014, 11:53 AM
Oct 2014

'Woo me with science' fails to grasp simple humor and sarcasm while comparing people to farm animals for profit.

wyldwolf

(43,870 posts)
36. I've been to those parties
Sun Oct 19, 2014, 04:22 PM
Oct 2014

I usually say something within 10 minutes that makes the room go silent.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
8. "...the CIA very logically and civilly destroyed his career."
Sun Oct 19, 2014, 10:59 AM
Oct 2014

Of course they did.

And doesn't the CIA's assessment of Americans sound familiar. Every neoOrwellian society keeps a condescending eye on its proles:

Two bloated women, one of them with her hair coming down, had got hold of the same saucepan and were trying to tear it out of one another's hands. For a moment they were both tugging, and then the handle came off. Winston watched them disgustedly. and yet, just for a moment, what almost frightening power had sounded in that cry from only a few hundred throats! Why was it that they could never shout like that about anything that mattered?

Unitl they become conscious they will never rebel, and until after they have rebelled they cannot become conscious.

That, he reflected, might almost have been a transcription from one of the Party textbooks.

-Orwell, 1984


The Party claimed, of course, to have liberated the proles from bondage....But simultaneously, true to the principles of doublethink, the Party taught that the proles were natural inferiors...

In reality very little was known about the proles. It was not necessary to know much. So long as they continued to work and breed, their other activities were without importance... Heavy physical work, the care of home and children, petty quarrels with neighbours, films, football, beer, and above all, gambling, filled up the horizon of their minds. To keep them in control was not difficult. A few agents of the Thought Police moved always among them, spreading false rumours and marking down and eliminating the few individuals who were judged capable of becoming dangerous. No attempt was made to indoctrinate them with the ideology of the Party. It was not desirable that the proles should have strong political feelings. All that was required of them was a primitive patriotism which could be appealed to whenever it was necessary to make them accept longer working-hours or shorter rations. And even when they became discontented, as they sometimes did, their discontent led nowhere, because being without general ideas, they could only focus in on petty specific grievances. The larger evils invariably escaped their notice.

-Orwell, 1984













 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
13. "Are you comfortable, sir? With our utmost regard we will now begin the torture."
Sun Oct 19, 2014, 11:16 AM
Oct 2014
civil discourse as those practiced by members of the CIA community.
 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
14. Yeah, we may be coarse, emotional and lack civility, but
Sun Oct 19, 2014, 11:21 AM
Oct 2014

torture, gun running, dope dealing, assassination, murder and overthrowing governments is mostly beyond our grasp.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
19. per CIA conclusions
Sun Oct 19, 2014, 01:00 PM
Oct 2014

so true and a few more adjectives are missing in the word list that are very important in describing our society and its culture.

haele

(12,681 posts)
24. Well, that's the sort of report you get from an orgaization of frat boys.
Sun Oct 19, 2014, 01:26 PM
Oct 2014

CIA recruits their intel operators and leadership from the Ivy league, the boardroom, and other locations you can find people that are privileged and in power.
Their grunts or enforcement may be "talented" normal Americans or Mercs that worked their way up to a position they could be noticed and trusted to get a job done, but the CIA itself has always been a "good old boy" club that earned their keep playing the Great Game for their peers in power.

Haele

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
33. Marking to come back to...
Sun Oct 19, 2014, 02:31 PM
Oct 2014

... (need to lay it down horizontal for a while... falling asleep sitting up, here.)

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
43. DUers figured that out a long time ago...
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 08:10 AM
Oct 2014

Before, it was just an opinion. Let the CIA say it; it's incontrovertible fact.

If the CIA were a publicly traded company, DUers would be snapping up its stock like there was no tomorrow for no other reason than they love the message. The recs kinda bear that out.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
46. NEPOTISM, Thy name is Capitalism's Invisible Army
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 08:40 AM
Oct 2014

THE ORIGINS OF THE OVERCLASS

by Steve Kangas

The wealthy have always used many methods to accumulate wealth, but it was not until the mid-1970s that these methods coalesced into a superbly organized, cohesive and efficient machine. After 1975, it became greater than the sum of its parts, a smooth flowing organization of advocacy groups, lobbyists, think tanks, conservative foundations, and PR firms that hurtled the richest 1 percent into the stratosphere.

The origins of this machine, interestingly enough, can be traced back to the CIA. This is not to say the machine is a formal CIA operation, complete with code name and signed documents. (Although such evidence may yet surface — and previously unthinkable domestic operations such as MK-ULTRA, CHAOS and MOCKINGBIRD show this to be a distinct possibility.) But what we do know already indicts the CIA strongly enough. Its principle creators were Irving Kristol, Paul Weyrich, William Simon, Richard Mellon Scaife, Frank Shakespeare, William F. Buckley, Jr., the Rockefeller family, and more. Almost all the machine's creators had CIA backgrounds.

SNIP...

How did this alliance start? The CIA has always recruited the nation’s elite: millionaire businessmen, Wall Street brokers, members of the national news media, and Ivy League scholars. During World War II, General "Wild Bill" Donovan became chief of the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), the forerunner of the CIA. Donovan recruited so exclusively from the nation’s rich and powerful that members eventually came to joke that "OSS" stood for "Oh, so social!"

SNIP...

Historically, the CIA and society’s elite have been one and the same people. This means that their interests and goals are one and the same as well. Perhaps the most frequent description of the intelligence community is the "old boy network," where members socialize, talk shop, conduct business and tap each other for favors well outside the formal halls of government.

CONTINUED...

http://www.american-buddha.com/illum.originsofoverclass.htm

It's a legacy thing.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
48. It appears to be a rather accurate description... regardless of the motives many are alleging.
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 04:24 PM
Oct 2014

"We live in somewhat coarse and emotional times—when large numbers of Americans do not adhere to the same standards of logic, evidence, or even civil discourse..."

It appears to be a rather accurate description... regardless of the motives many are alleging.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
53. And CIA agents
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 01:22 AM
Oct 2014

aren't coarse and emotional.

I think if I have ever seen a case of pointing a finger while four more point back at you, this would be the prime example.

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