are not lining up for divorce in huge numbers and the sun still rises and sets! And the haters in life still hate!

Otherwise all of the hyperbolic panic some people had over gay marriage will just look silly.

Thought that was just around the darn corner, too!!!! After all, "the natural order of things" was somehow 'disturbed' by the change in the law!!!

How dare you?!

Julia and Hillary Goodridge made that historic walk into City Hall in Massachusetts!

"While many have championed the successful legal strategy that saved same-sex marriage in the state of California, for civil rights activists, it’s hard to overstate the importance of Goodridge which set an example for the country in terms of equal rights and the freedom to marry."

Mahalo she for your OP and the link to Bill's site.. it's brilliant!

Steps toward equality for all, sometimes baby steps yet we will get there.

Yes the site is brilliant and check out the music~ It's wonderful, something for everyone. I am listening to a collection of Flower Power!



Glad you have your power Cha, close call for you all!

And, mahalo for your well wishes for Hawaiians!

I gotta say it can make some of what you read here a little easier on the soul. I am using it as a substitute for the ignore feature, Cha~

that.. And, Pandora's box.. I'm trying to drown out my neighbor's boom boom boom music that he left on too loud and left his place. He's not answering the door.

Yeah, the Ignore Feature of DU.. glad we have it! Thank you, Skinner, EarlG, and Elad.

maybe some care, thanks

or punched the daylights out of the people of Alaska...

Poor wandering ones...

They are going to lose.

U.S. Supreme Court rules Alaska same-sex marriages can go forward; state vows to keep appealing

The U.S. Supreme Court denied Alaska’s request for an emergency stay Friday morning, allowing same-sex marriages to resume in the state.

The one-line response came at 11:01 a.m., just one minute after a stay from the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals dissolved as scheduled.

The order allows marriages to proceed. However, with state offices closed in observance of Alaska Day, it was impossible for couples to apply for a marriage license or pick up licenses that had been issued earlier in the week. Marriages are set to resume Monday.

http://www.adn.com/article/20141017/us-supreme-court-rules-alaska-same-sex-marriages-can-go-forward-state-vows-keep-0

No group can stand alone, it is past time, we need to stand together, none of us can win on our own. It's not just about Women or PoC or LGBT or our Jewish brothers and sisters that are being targeted it is about all of us raising our voices for the equality we so rightly desearve. It is time for allies to stand up and support each other. Our collective voices are far stronger than a single voice.

We have all tried it alone, it's time to do it together. Equality!

We can do this together MH! Yes we can.

There is a YouTube video of Bill talking about this very thing, how we are all ONE with each other.

In just one day, 76 gay couples were married on Wednesday in Boise this last week.
I think they said over 108 gay couples were married on that one day alone in the state.

We are truly changing the face of America, sheshe!!
They can't take it away from us!

Just like you said in that poignant thread that you made last week, "it is mine, they can never take it from me!!"

Man, that was powerful writing!
Take a bow, you deserve it!!!!


<--- sheshe taking a bow

"In just one day, 76 gay couples were married on Wednesday in Boise this last week.
I think they said over 108 gay couples were married on that one day alone in the state."

Go Boise and Go America!

We grow stronger. No...they can't take that away from us, not ever.

Thank you Major~

New Paltz marriages[edit]

On February 27, 2004, New Paltz Mayor Jason West married 25 same-sex couples before a cheering crowd in front of the New Paltz Village Hall. Not long thereafter, the Ulster County District Attorney charged West with nineteen misdemeanors in connection with these marriages.[6] A court later dismissed the charges against West, a ruling which the state appealed. Ulster County Court Judge J. Michael Bruhn ruled in favor of the state, reinstating the charges against West, arguing that this criminal case did not concern whether the state constitution mandates same-sex marriage, but rather whether West violated his oath of office in performing illegal marriages. The May 2005 charges against West were reinstated; these were dropped by the prosecutor on July 12. After Liberty Counsel filed a civil lawsuit challenging the validity of the marriages, a state court judge issued a permanent injunction barring West from solemnizing same-sex marriages.[7][8]


On February 27, 2004, Nyack, New York, mayor John Shields announced that he would recognize the New Paltz marriages and on March 1, 2004, Ithaca mayor Carolyn K. Peterson declared that she would recognize same-sex marriages performed in other jurisdictions.[9]

Two days later, then-Attorney General of New York Eliot Spitzer, a supporter of same-sex marriage, issued an "informal opinion" stating that municipal clerks should not issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples since the New York State Legislature had not intended for the Domestic Relations Law to cover same-sex couples.[10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_New_York

From my link,

After Liberty Counsel filed a civil lawsuit challenging the validity of the marriages, a state court judge issued a permanent injunction barring West from solemnizing same-sex marriages.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_New_York
Amazing, absolutely amazing that you make this a cat fight. That is just sad.

Go for it, take first rights, I don't give a damn.

A right to choose who to love and who to marry is a right. You want to make something beautiful a fight, then go for it. there is no happiness or beauty left on DU. It is always an ugly fight.

Goodnight to you.

Gay marriages took place in SF and New Paltz months before MA. So, unless you are stretching the word "introduced" to the point of meaninglessness, MA didn't introduce gay marriage.

peddle here? And why?

San Francisco first. New Paltz second. Historical fact.

stated something without a link, Luminous Animal. You may very well be correct, yet I don't feel like doing the research for you all.

The last poster was wrong. I found that link.

I am kindly asking for some facts.

Thank you in advance.
sheshe2

One of the happiest experiences of my life. And 4 days before my daughters bday and what inspired one of her best friends, age 14, to come out to his family. His mom did not take it well, so he moved in with us.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_2004_same-sex_weddings

On August 12, exactly six months after the first licenses were issued to same-sex couples in San Francisco, the state Supreme Court ruled unanimously that the City and County of San Francisco had exceeded its authority and violated state law by issuing the marriage licenses. In a 5-2 decision in Lockyer v. City and County of San Francisco, the court also declared all same-sex marriages performed in San Francisco on the basis of those licenses to be void. It expressed no opinion on the constitutionality of the denial of marriage rights to same-sex couples.[12][13]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_2004_same-sex_weddings

Good for you LA. I too would have been a proud supporter of my friends so many of them gay. I stand with them. They deserve our support.

equality. That is bullshit.

Go for it. Take it, it's all yours.

You take something beautiful, something you say you love and support and make it into ugly insults to me.

That is just shameful. I am aware that you don't like me much, yet to trash me and my thread about equality for LGBT, I am beyond amazed. Too much hate and no equality for all. No wonder we lose every damn time!

it by posting a FACTUAL inaccuracy.

That is, you deny the pioneers. That one human being that made state supreme courts take action. That one human being that led the movement all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court... those human beings that lined up on the steps of the San Francisco city hall in order to get married.

You deny them as being PIONEERS. You deny this city as being PIONEERS. You take credit for something that is not your's for which to take credit.

TELL THE FUCKING TRUTH. It is not about you or me IT IS TELLING THE FUCKING TRUTH.

How difficult is that?

I did not do that to you LA.

And you yell at me as well.

close to your heart. That may comfort you.

I too seek honesty on those that truly support LGBTQ Rights.

Good night!

I guess you have just met up with some rather dubious characters here on DU, huh?

San Francisco?

It's time for you to eat some humble pie.

The first marriage license issued in the United States was in 1975! And it was not in San Francisco.

If you want to argue the facts with me go right ahead (you will lose BTW) but lay off the OP.

hug her. Thanks for the reminder.

Read what I posted to them.

I for one will not sully something beautiful by claiming squatters rights. They want to claim their territory then they can have it. I don't give a damn. They want to insult me, again I don't give a damn. This thread should not be a pissing contest.

It's about equality for all and we have to have all the ugly. I am so damn tired.

I am an ally and stand for LGBT rights, I always will.

Thanks MH!

Tears.

So much ugly for no reason at all. I don't think I will ever understand the hate.

I posted something I believed to be uplifting about a minority rising, then as a minority I am slapped in the face. I am piled on and insulted.

I am tired.

I believe they went back in the hole from whence they came.

Member of Lesbian Avengers. Member of Act Up. Member of Queer Nation. Co-producer of the publication 'Anything That Moves'.

I do not crawl into any hole.

Lovely that you can thing using "straight" against me as an insult. Lovely that you think that you can use "straight" as an insult to anyone.

equality, on a government level, a legal contract.

What do you fail to see about that? Are you now saying it didn't happen?

Every post that you have sent to me says that that is not true.

ETA: In case you have not figured it out yet. I'm Bill.

This is not the first time you have tried to derail a supportive LGBT thread and I am positive it won't be your last, and that's just sad I mean really sad.

spreading disinformation?

And show me the links EVER that I have derailed a LGBT (um) Q thread ever. Not once ever.

Except when you don't. Okey-doke. So it is written on DU; so it shall be done. IN CAPS!

I know you don't care about the fact though, you just want to argue. What kind of person does that? That's a rhetorical question BTW.

San Francisco's government, opened up a national movement for marriage equality.

And the National movement was well before San Francisco those are the fact, deal with them.

That hole keeps getting deeper.

couples turned out to get married. It's as if you would cite Loving v Virginia prior to it getting to the Supreme Court as justification for their marriage being illegal.

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Don't let them bother you none, hon.
It ain't no big thing, anyways.

The Sioux Indian Nation, just to name one of the tribes as an example, recognized gay marriages over 150 years ago!
White men who think they are large and in charge didn't like it back then anymore than they like it today!
They better get used to it, is all I can say about it.
Ain't no thing to get hung up about, gurl.

My son has been texting me all day, and it looks like he can't spell out real words anymore!!!

hu <---- I think this is supposed to mean "huh", but that's just a guess

k dad <---- at least he agreed with me, "k" is supposed to mean okay to me now, I guess

whut <---- I should smack him up side the head for talking to me like he is a thug

I learned a new one today ----> gurl, spelled with a "U" if she is a hottie!

That is really lazy texting, if you axe me.



I can't meet up with you before Christmas, but I am determined to meet with you this year!
So, keep New Year's Eve open on your calendar, k gurl?

The OP's article must be getting creative with the word "introduced".

It was Clela Rorex in Boulder CO. in 1975.

Hahahaha...

The one the OP is talking about are legal. See the difference? BTW that's my website linked in the OP and I do not like the bullying mentality that was used against shehshe. You two should be ashamed of yourselves.

Since all the bans are unconstitutional, they are all legal.

I'm guessing you mean to use "legal" by some kind of strict definition though. Kind of like I like to use the word "introduced". Since gay marriage was apparently "introduced" 29 years before MA did it, the title of the article is bullshit.

You might want to change it on your website.

Nothing will be changed.

It's nothing I would be proud of or advertise on a my own website though.

1. "TEN YEARS AGO, MASSACHUSETTS INTRODUCED US TO GAY MARRIAGE"

Words tend to mean something. The word "introduced" means: to present (a person, product, etc.) to a particular group of individuals or to the general public for or as if for the first time by a formal act, announcement, series of recommendations or events, etc. Since as you stated down thread the first gay marriage was performed in 1975, it would be impossible to be "introduced" in May, 2004. This is especially true since they were also performed in SF and New Paltz in Feb., 2004.

2. Since gay marriage bans are unconstitutional, the marriages in 1975 and Feb. 2004 were legal.

Even you yourself said down thread "It was legal in Boulder too when it was issued." when you were fighting with LA over if Boulder of SF did it first. You can't have it both ways. They were either legal and your article is wrong, or it wasn't legal when Boulder issued the the marriage certificate and you are just engaging in sophistry to win an argument.

marriage equality to a nation. And that is how the history books should be written.

Sheesh.

Unless you want to try to prove this did not happen in Boulder in 1975. http://www.dailycamera.com/ci_23316471/boulder-acknowleged-same-sex-marriage-1975

The balls in your court.

The State legalized Gay marriage 10 years ago. What is not factual about that?

She even challenged the fact that San Francisco and New Paltz preceded Massachusetts.

Inquiring minds want to know!

Even Sheshe challenged two of us when we told her that marriage equality was declared legal on a government level prior to Massachusetts.

I did not question her on the remarkable impact. I questioned her on her historical ignorance.

Welcome to ignore.

Then they're called "pioneering" on LGBT issues, LOL!

Hooray for MA SJC!

Enjoy~

I got some of it had to google the rest.

~ William

I came out in 1994, and I was pretty impressed that my city even had a non-discrimination ordinance protecting us back then. We were talking about gays in the military and same-sex marriage, but I couldn't imagine either happening in my lifetime. I've reached an age where "twenty years ago" doesn't feel like very long, so it just amazes me how much has changed, and how fast. Sometimes I have to remind myself that it wasn't really just yesterday, and a lot of people have worked very hard to make it all possible.

Because of this, two weeks ago, Oklahoma finally allowed for my partner and me to become husbands (hasn't happened...YET!!). This is important to the GLBT movement, but Kailani Koenig-Muenster, the author of the piece should be horsewhipped for being a historical revisionist!

No matter how good the news, there will always be someone who, in their quest to feel superior to others, will shit all over the information! You hang in there!




ETA: Goodridge v. Department of Public Health – that brought same-sex marriage to the first state in the country,...

The vitriol in this thread makes my head spin. Something beautiful has to be trashed and ground under ones foot. We can never celebrate, that's not allowed anymore in this country and not at DU as well.

Any step forward is hindered and fought. Truth! Some here can't seem to handle the simple truth that we are moving forward. Yes we move slowly. Yes I wanted it yesterday, I am smart enough to know that will never happen, look where women stand right now.

We need to stand together, all of us. It is Crystal clear to me, we do it together or we will never do it at all.

Hang in there? Yes I will try yet it is not easy, not that I ever expected it to be.

I await your wedding announcement. Mazel tov~

I am sorry to see what has happened (not too terribly surprised), but I have only this to say to you:



Remember that!

As for my marriage, y'all will know! LOL!

sit down, and wait our turn. We would still be without any rights at all if we listened to those jerks, lol. Thankfully, we had great allies here too.

They have no idea how silly they look in a Democratic Republic, where EVERYONE, regardless of age, physical ability, sex, gender, sexual orientation, sexual preferences, sexual identity, religion, race, color, or creed has a voice in how this government is managed.

We didn't shut down the federal government last year, the freakin' Republicans did!
And they told everyone who didn't like it to STFU.

But, I didn't listen to them then!!
And I am not listening to them now!!

Ain't life grand?

we would all still be in the dark with no fire and no lights and nothing. No one would have ever invented anything either. It's best not to listen to them. They would only hold us back.

much ado about LESS than nothing.

Because some people obviously don't know the difference between introducing something and introducing us TO something.

It's true the concept of same-sex marriage didn't originate in Mass. If it did, then it would be proper to say we introduced it.

What the OP said was that Mass "introduced us to same sex marriage". Because it's not a new concept. Mass didn't invent it. Mass only introduced people TO the (preexisting) concept on a state-wide scale.

So instead of this happy event being celebrated, what took place up above was a sad and shameful demonstration of threadjacking for the sake of being "right". Ego stroking.

Brilliant. Just brilliant.


Well, whatever. I don't give a shit if ten other cities or towns thought of it first. I'm still proud of living in a state that didn't explode or fall into the ocean just because gays have been able to marry here for ten years.

I love Dolly Parton and " Put a Little Love in Your Heart" is perfect.


Lol~ love your smilie!