into bloody goo.


An overreaction, most certainly. However, if people had "overreacted" to this thing in Guéckédou back in the early part of this year, we wouldn't be talking about it at all.

I have no idea if that thing would actually provide protection or is more of a Halloween costume situation, but providing some sort of instruction and ability for caregivers to protect themselves, in the places where this is rampant and people have to be treated at home... It couldnt hurt if they have access to the right supplies.

suits would have been air dropped down for people who needed them. It's very sad that there is no profit in helping people live better lives and avoid terrible fast acting diseases.

If there had been money for big pharma in it, there would have been a vaccine 10 years ago.

I have heard the treatment for rare diseases is very high for this reason.

First off, Ebola does not turn you into bloody goo. That's a HUGE misconception. Do some reading up on it. Start with Spillover by David Quammen. Read the second section, the one called "Thirteen Gorillas". It's a lovely history of Ebola outbreaks through about 2009. The book came out in 2012.

And you DON'T get it by just by being in the same room with someone. Really. Honest, you don't.

And since we're still a couple of weeks out from Halloween I'm not going to assume she's simply in her Halloween costume, so yes, she deserves to be mocked.

We wouldnt even be having this conversation.

But go ahead, laugh away.

in an inadequate hazmat sort of suit, that the wearer probably has no clue how to correctly put on and take off, is actually a rational thing to do? If she's trying to protect herself from influenza, which is actually airborne, maybe she sort of has the right idea, but a flu shot would be a lot easier.

The woman is stupid. Pure and simple. And defending her idiocy is equally stupid. Yes, everyone probably should have taken the original outbreak more seriously, but spreading absolutely incorrect information about this disease, such as saying it turns you into bloody goo is at best irresponsible.

It is followed by something the other person doesn't think, or isn't saying.

I didnt say I thought it was rational. I said I'm not going to make fun of her for being afraid of an extremely nasty disease that kills people something like 70% of the time. I also didn't say that people "can get it from being in the same room" but would I want to send my kid into the tiny airplane bathroom right after the symptomatic, ebola infected person had just gone in there to take a big dump?

No, if I am perfectly honest, I would not. And if people don't like that, if they think I'm overreacting or panicking or whatever, tough.

being symptomatic.

So being in the tiny airplane bathroom right after the person who is non symptomatic, who had been exposed to ebola . . . what did you say?
This gets straight back to the bullshit of misinformation. If a person is non symptomatic that are not at risk to anyone else. Period. End of story. Yes, Ebola is a nasty and deadly disease. Before you post again, please read Spillover by David Quammen. If you have any further doubts. read the two books by Laurie Garrett, The Coming Plague and Betrayal of Trust. Then post again You are simply forwarding nonsense and misinformation that should not be out there.

I understand that no one has allegedly been symptomatic on a plane, although the CDC said that Amber Vinson may have been symptomatic on a plane. They did not elaborate, however she was apparently febrile enough to have contacted them in the first place.

What misinformation and nonsense have I forwarded? Ebola is a deadly fucking disease, and just because no one yet has gotten on a plane and barfed, doesn't mean it couldn't happen.

Apparently someone's narrative is horribly threatened if people don't shut up about it. Well, I'm not going to shut up about it. For months we were told pablum about how ready we were for Ebola- and when it came here, guess what? We weren't ready. Someone didn't quite understand how lethal it could be, or how to deal with it, because we now have 2 nurses infected with it. There were fuckups left and right around it. Duncan was left in a public waiting area for hours with other patients on his SECOND trip to the ER.

So again, what specific nonsense and misinformation am I spreading? And why is it apparently almost as important that people shut up about this, as it apparently is important not to disrupt the planned US vacations of visa holders from the epicenter of the outbreak, until this is under control?

You've been shining rays of truth through the clouds of political correctness around here.

THAT is misinformation and nonsense.

You're citing the "maybe" about Amber Vinson being symptomatic. Anyone who didn't get splattered with her blood, vomit, or diarrhea would still not have been at risk. But she wasn't vomiting, bleeding, or having diarrhea on the plane. So no one was at risk. She was given the okay to fly, because her temp had barely spiked.

You seem to think the woman in the home made hazmat suit is doing the right thing. She's not. If she really does know exactly how to put it on and take it off, she probably also knows she simply isn't at risk while flying. Or, if she is truly that ignorant and scared, she ought to stay home.

While it is true that historically the Zaire strain HAS tended to have more late-stage hemorrhagic stuff (and a slightly higher lethality rate) than the version running through this epidemic does - for as of yet unknown reasons - again, 'bloody goo' was rhetorical shorthand.

Apparently, as uppity schooled me downthread, the 70% or so of people who contact this "die of shock and organ failure". It seems, apparently, that dying as bloody goo is unnecessarily frightening, while dying of shock and organ failure is supposed to be a more comforting-sounding outcome.



You seem to think the woman in the home made hazmat suit is doing the right thing. - "You seem to think" --- you did it again! If I thought that, I would say it. Actually, I specifically said it was an overreaction but I wasn't going to make fun of her for being afraid of this disease. Unfortunately, not everyone CAN stay home-- hell, even without ebola there are a million things I'd rather do than deal with the increasingly unpleasant experience of getting on an airplane.

And... I'm not sure why it's so darned important, again, that everyone shut up about this.

Organ failure and shock are what kill you.f

But still, "bleed out of every orifice", "turns you into bloody goo". At least "organs liquify" crap has settled down.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025624507

if people want to quibble semantics about how, exactly, the thing kills people, fine. Fact is, something like 70% you get this strain, you're dead in fairly short order, and it sure as shit doesnt sound like a pleasant death.

But you know, not technically bloody goo so no worries, ya panic ninnies! Right?

the countries where their health systems are overwhelmed and there is not enough medicine or iv's? I know most of those treated in the USA have had rare, expensive medicine, iv's aplenty to stay hydrated. I wonder if that 70% is without good medical help, or overall.

I continue to read inaccurate descriptions from popular fiction, so speak up to educate when I can because for many, "bleeding out of every orifice while your organs liquify as you die" is more frightening than "you go into shock and die".

My young adult kid told me about William Shatner's "music" rap, and after I was done sneering, had me watch the one about "we are all going to die" and I became a fan.

There are so many unknowns in the world, so many bacteria, viruses, plants, out in jungles, forests, and it could be the littlest things will get us.

Such a serious matter needs a sense of humor occasionally. Yours steps up to the line, but does not cross it. Perfect, my friend.


Just waiting for the Onion headline to appear in LBN...

What a strange word to use.

It is the telling that is lovely. Perhaps if a few more people would read some of the books I keep on citing here, we'd get far less crap like it turns you into bloody goo.

I was really upset! Now that I know I'm only going to die of shock and systemic organ failure, I feel MUCH better!!!"

...or something.

If we are currently unable to contain or deal with it in West Africa when the caseload is around 9,000... what do you suppose will happen if it hits 200,000? or 1.4 Million?

"Entertain" me for a moment, and play out that scenario a bit... um, what do you see as the endgame, there?

she should make the instructions for this go viral. If every caregiver of an ebola patient had this much protection perhaps this horrible thing would die out much faster.

It looks hot as hell

a Oxygen bottle or has holes in the bag she is dead. Likely a mannequin or a quick put up photo.

Warrensville Heights City Hall is on high alert because the husband of a city employee works with a man who was on the same flight that nurse Vinson took to Cleveland.

http://www.cleveland.com/morris/index.ssf/2014/10/ebola_in_cleveland_seems_to_ha.html

They actually closed the city hall over this

http://www.cleveland.com/tipoff/index.ssf/2014/10/ebola_scare_warrensville_heigh.html

Major fear going on there.

Can you imagine realizing you have to sit next to that?!?!

We're Americans after all, and that's what American exceptionalism is all about.

That's just one mild example. It will get much worse than that. It is what ignorant Americans do.

she will likely touch the outside of it. Or rub her eyes with her gloved hand. So irrational!
Paying attention to who is around you and good hygiene ... just as you would to avoid flu or MRSA is all the average citizen needs to do.

But, this point is great, it's the taking the suit off that is the most dangerous part of caring for patients.

I find it sad and pathetic.

And she is taking precautions to not spread whatever she might have.

But whatever.

it's a performance...

Hey, to each their own.

One hundred percent infotainment media hype in the United States.

One person -- one -- has died from ebola in this country and he 'caught' it when overseas.

Oh, the Tea Party-Republicans, FoxPAC 'News' and the one percent mega-entertainment corporations love ebola.

But for the rest of us 310,000,000 people ebola is not a threat and it is not a crisis.

This episode, I think, demonstrates just how sheep-like and easily manipulated have become almost all Americans.

The lady in the photo is crazy if she is living in that much fear.
(Although this might just be a stunt.)

My point in posting this is that we need to chill out and listen to WHO, CDC, and health care professionals who know what they're talking about.
Fear, panic and misinformation are never productive and lead to lots of overreaction and dumb behavior. I don't want to rant, so I'll avoid the tearing into Fox News, CNN as well as myriad websites who are offering Ebola lotions, hazmat suits, etc.

On a trip to Maui, I swam in a beautiful waterfall pool on the road to Hana and contracted Leptospirosis. 21 days later, I was sick as a dog and narrowly avoided renal failure. The guidebooks and tour guides gave every indication that such a swim was a safe, fun way to cool off as well as a great photo opportunity. This was a massive failure of the system to notify travelers of the hazards awaiting in the photogenically tempting pools.

Looking at Ebola, we need squelch out the MSM hype, which is designed to stoke fear and increase ratings. What we must do is pay attention to the subject matter experts and act as reasonable and prudent people.

Obviously, Lepto is not nearly as deadly as Ebola, but I added this for perspective as I was thrown into harms way.
OTOH, there is a major campaign underway to educate people about Ebola.
OTOOH, there are major media outlets hyping this thing to spook people (see OP) and increase ratings.

http://www.cdc.gov/leptospirosis/symptoms/index.html
In humans, Leptospirosis can cause a wide range of symptoms, including:

High fever
Headache
Chills
Muscle aches
Vomiting
Jaundice (yellow skin and eyes)
Red eyes
Abdominal Pain
Diarrhea
Rash

Many of these symptoms can be mistaken for other diseases. In addition, some infected persons may have no symptoms at all.

The time between a person's exposure to a contaminated source and becoming sick is 2 days to 4 weeks. Illness usually begins abruptly with fever and other symptoms. Leptospirosis may occur in two phases:

after the first phase (with fever, chills, headache, muscle aches, vomiting, or diarrhea) the patient may recover for a time but become ill again.
if a second phase occurs, it is more severe; the person may have kidney or liver failure or meningitis. This phase is also called Weil's disease.

The illness lasts from a few days to 3 weeks or longer. Without treatment, recovery may take several months.

TSA? Third, if this person was an actual passenger departing from a major airport, how come only one guy got a photo? No one snapped a pic of such a person on board? Or while boarding? Or in the TSA line?
How could that even be?

so I'll take their word for it.

As for TSA, I suppose if one is subjected to a magnetometer, sniffer and secondary pat-down screening, even the eccentric can get on board.

The whole thing could be a hoax, but it would take an over-sized effort to get such a photo staged and (while no expert) I don't feel the thing is photoshopped.

and tells us where. That is the entire basis for the article.
How much effort is it to put that crap on and go to a waiting room? "oversized effort'? In what way? Hard to by plastic bags? And what are the odds that only one person out of all the hundreds at two airports and on a plane took a photo of such a person? Airports are full of cameras. A sight worthy of internet hoopla, yet out of hundreds of cameras, only one guy snaps a shot and that shot is in a fairly neutral, luggage free environment. I guess it is possible, but not bloody likely.
It looks like fun time not a photoshop but as I said, an intentional bit of theatrics. You take their word for it. I'm not big on that 'let's trust strangers to be honest on the internet' concept.

boo!

Sounds like a catchy song title to me. DU musicians, do your thing...

Even the 9/11 paranoia has not peaked yet, it seems. I don't think we will ever be free of paranoia about one thing or another. Every time I think I have seen the most absurd thing ever, something else like the picture you posted comes along. I don't think they know how paranoid is too paranoid. The whole damn country has gone stark raving mad.

People looked at me weird for wearing gloves the first few days, but I didn't want to spread it. I always have a lot of blue examination gloves, like in the pic, around my house, so I wore them and changed my gloves very frequently so I wouldn't spread my infection. I felt self conscious, but I was being responsible, in my opinion. Perhaps this person was sick and didn't want to spread it. Probably not, but maybe.

And if you weren't touching your face, you didn't need the gloves.

I changed my gloves frequently because I kept touching my face. The gloves were a constant reminder.

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Really--what a strange week. Induced by CNNNNNitis and high FOXicity....

For that reason I would stay far, far away from her. How did she ever get through Security wearing that?

there are people in society who live for this shit.