A federal permit is needed to buy an automatic weapon. This includes an extensive background check and a a federal license that costs $200. This has been a federal law since 1934.

We wish!

Highly doubtful you'd even find one, much less one for sale, automatic weapons are very tightly controlled and very expensive to purchase and the FBI background check can take up to 6 mos.

Starting price for a run of the mill auto weapon is about $15,000.

anyone who's not prohibited by law can buy a semi auto firearm from a gun show, fill out Form 4473, get the ok, plunk down the money and walk out with it, easy peasy.

The OP's thread is nothing but bunk and he really should edit it.

The federal license is attached to the automatic weapon, not the person, but the person does have to qualify for it.

There are currently 37 states here in the U.S. that allow the possession of automatic weapons. The requirements are that you submit an application to BATFE (Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco &, Firearms & Explosives. As part of that application a complete criminal background investigation is done and you must submit a set of current fingerprints as part of the process.(Finger Prints fee's vary from $15-$20 depending on the state of residence)

Once approved, you will be required to pay a one-time fee of $200 for a Federal Tax Stamp per weapon (There are NO, REPEAT NO additional FEE'S,Dealer's Licenses or anything additional required!!)

With the GCA of 1986 (Gun Control Act) Civilians are not allowed to posess fully automatic weapons unless they were manufactured prior to 1986. The weapons manufactured before 1986 are "Grandfathered" meaning they can still be LEGALLY transfered thru a licensed/bonded Class III NFA Weapons Dealer.NO fully automatic weapons made after 1968 are legal for civilians to own or possess.

In addition the permit once issued requires that the permit be with the registered licensed weapon at all times and especially when transported. You must also show proof that the registered weapon is stored in a safe or locked container that meets BATFE guidelines. Issuing the Permit also allows BATFE to make a personal inspection of your residence or storage area once annually.(Usually announced prior by appointment)

And you say it is tougher to register to vote than get an automatic weapon???

It's absolutely false that it's easier to buy an automatic weapon than to register in TX, that's an undisputed fact.
Maybe OP should edit to read that in TX, it's easier to buy a firearm than to vote, that would be a true statement.

do you consider it to be an actual automatic weapon or just the name given it? I think the problem is in the distinction. I think a person could purchase an "automatic" pistol every bit as easily as getting registered to vote.. The point is actually quite valid I believe.

referencing when you say automatic?

I am unaware of any state that requires a phone call to the NICS database as a requirement to register to vote, or any background check for that matter.

the ATF is the name of a convenience store.

I assume they know what they're talking about, as in something like a Glock 18, or an M-16.

The OP's thread is misleading, false, inaccurate and his refusal to edit it, after being corrected by several DU'ers, leads me to believe that he has no intention of being accurate on this topic.

the right (wrong) hands is just as deadly as a fully auto assault weapon. If it's got a high capacity magazine and a guy knows what he's doing, it is for sure. If he had the fully auto version, he'd probably have it set on semi-auto anyway, rather than just spraying bulletts and wasting ammo. Kind of like military people are trained to do if you have clear sight of your targets and they aren't bunched up.

Auto vs semi-auto gun. The article is false in the first sentence. It doesn't take much to make sure you're accurate, and using semi-automatic would have made the article more effective. I'm not even a gun person and I know it's much more difficult to buy an automatic weapon.

It matters. Vastly different regulations and laws.

And bring on the gun nuts

No gun store is going to sell you any kind of firearm without first showing ID, and a gun permit is considered proper ID because, unlike a student ID, you not only have to show ID to obtain it but also provide fingerprints and pass a criminal background check.

We all know the real reason for voter ID laws but let's not pull a Republican and resort to false analogies

An automatic weapon is incredibly difficult to buy.

When will people get over their automatic weapon fetish? They are not the problem

Durst - what an asshat.

Will Durst an asshat or are you calling me an asshat?

Hyperbole rarely works when making an argument.

and is only available to a resident of the state that issued it.

Enrolling in school is all you need for a university student ID and you do not have to be a state resident to get one.

Epic fail.

Is that it requires the same documentation as a drivers license, and then goes above that to require fingerprinting and background checks. One does not provide a birth certificate nor a passport to get a college ID.

However concealed carry does require a license, that is issued by the Texas DPS.

That was so completely false that my shoulders got sore from the amount of cringing I did while reading it.

In no way could anyone with even a shred of intellectual honesty believe that purchasing an automatic weapon is easier than voting. Maybe when voting costs upwards of 15 grand and requires a 6+ month background check from federal law enforcement, approval from the sheriff, and $200, the article will be somewhat close to the truth.

Secondly, while ID laws are flawed at best, anyone from anywhere can attend college in Texas and thereby obtain a student ID. Unlike a gun permit, such an ID does not require residence in the state of issue.

Jesus. I've read some poorly thought-out and non-researched BS in my time, but this one is in the winner's circle.

will whine and complain, they both are deadly and appeal to right wingers irrationally afraid of the big boogeymen. OP's point is legit.

Many of us have attempted to correct him, but to no avail.
OP's point is not legit.

That lends itself towards great credibility.

descriptions and words matter and he knows t.

Did not use the title of the article, it seems the OP meant what is posted.

The article does claim the same fallacy.

Does that make you happy. Still doesn't change point in OP, which should he what Democrats are focused on this time of year.

Or, you can go to a gun store, pick a lethal weapon that tickles your fancy, fill out a little paperwork, wait for a back ground check, and be home fondling it as quickly as you can register and vote.

no background check, no plunking down hundreds of dollars.

And we can do without the hyperbole.

to vote. Last time I voted, the line was over 2 hours long.

Clearly, gunz are more important to you than the OP's point.

that doesn't change the fact that the OP's thread is a lie.

OP is claiming that it's easier to buy an AUTOMATIC WEAPON than it is to REGISTER to vote, which is a lie.

Ande, the vast majority of people use "automatic" in reference to popular "assault/tactical" weapons.

In fact, even semi-automatics, are automatics -- that's why the are called "semi." You just have to pull the trigger each time. The gunz are still lethal. You gunners need to quit trying to negate a legitimate point by pulling out the nomenclature card, especially when your nomenclature is flawed.

Even pistol manufacturers like Colt, call their 1911 an "Automatic Pistol" --



Here is a link to a gun site selling Ruger AUTOMATIC Pistols --

http://www.gunsinternational.com/Ruger-Automatic-Pistols.cfm?cat_id=95


I hope you go back to gungeon and educate them.

It still doesn't change the fact that the OP's thread is a lie.

BTW, several firearms co. manufactured full auto handguns, like the Glock 18C.

voting.

which the OP and you don't seem to care about, because it still isn't easier to buy an automatic weapon than it is to register to vote.

The OP's thread claims that it's easier to buy an automatic weapon in TX than it is to register to vote, which is a lie.
Quit trying to divert from what the thread is about.

But, just for you:

http://www.factcheck.org/2013/03/guns-acquired-without-background-checks/

Maybe you should read it. It says that the poll was done 2 decades ago and less than 300 people were polled.
Sure you want to go with that?

How about a link to a more recent poll?

you can register to vote without ID. You can either bring in a utility bill with your name and address on it or you can bring in a person who is already registered to vote and have them vouch that you live in the same precinct and at the address you claim is your home.

There are many states that require a background check for ALL firearms transfers.

That's a bit less that most don't require it.

Nothing in my post to which your responded was about guns.

Buying a gun is far more involved. FAIL.

Clearly, gunz are more important to you than OP's point.

They seem optional to you. Step one in filling out a gun background check is providing a photo ID.

And no, I didn't need to stand in line to register. As for voting, I'm often the first at the polls, so no line. As for photo ID, I've had one since I was 15 and needed it just to drive to the poll.


You also changed the "standard" in your reply. You said it was easier to buy a gun than register to vote, but then added voting itself. However, voting remains infinitely easier.

I never do understand why ultra Democratic Conn. has voter ID.

However, I agree that the laws are implemented to stop a virtually non-existent crime with the hope of stopping the turn out of poor inner city minorities who do not drive and have not needed IDs.

What makes it hard is how often our society requires licenses and IDs, most people don't seem to have a lot of sympathy. Our society is so pathetic it asks an elderly lady for her ID to buy alcohol!

my ID. I know darn well they aren't really reading it, unless they just want to marvel at how old I am and can still walk into the store. Have a nice evening.

I'm a card carrying member of the ACLU and a "Guardian of Liberty" monthly contributor. I only pushed back at the inappropriate attempt to make this into a false dichotomy between guns/voting

https://www.aclu.org/voting-rights

Don't rightly know. I have no urge to buy an AR and I have enough ammo to feed my bolt action.

A point gets lost when false statements are used to try to make the point

The same laws would have applied. His point would have been just as "legit."

Fact is, the majority of people could not care less about the difference in a semi-auto and full-auto rifle. They both kill and intimidate.

More importantly to the post, gunz shouldn't be easier to get than a voter registration card and official ballot to mark.

To purchase a firearm, you have to have state approved ID, fill out form 4473, get a background check before you can pay for the firearm.
Registering to vote doesn't require a background check, nor paying for it.

I drool all over myself.

Any pertinent comment on the poster's point, or you just going to defend gunz.

claim that it's easier to buy a gun than to register to vote.

I've proven you and the OP wrong, as have many here, but you insist on posting hyperbole and snarkiness and defending a lie.

an auto or semi-auto. All the recent mass murderers used a semi-auto like the one below. They are quite lethal, don't try to act like they are harmless or that the technical distinction detracts from the OP's point.

The fact that many people are ignorant of this does not change the fact.

The only difference here is gunz mean more to you than voting. Plus, you don't even know your gun nomenclature.

itself, the name has stuck, but that doesn't change the fact that it is not easier to buy an automatic weapon than it is to register to vote and the OP's thread is a lie.

The "semi-automatic" designation came later, when people realized that there was confusion between these and truly automatic weapons, i.e. machine guns.

Manufacturers like Colt no longer refer to such firearms as "automatic." Surely someone of your supposedly vast knowledge should be aware of that fact.

I'm loving the irony of being lectured about my knowledge of firearms nomenclature by someone who constantly refers to "gunz." Also, you know nothing about the importance I place on voting, so don't presume to opine on it. It just makes you look foolish.

Or didn't you want to compare apples with apples?

Would you care to answer my question, or are you only here to obfuscate?

The point is the credibility of the OP. For the record, I'm against asking voters for ID, but I resent the fact that erstwhile culture warriors want to drag specious firearms comparisons into it.

And the other nine paragraphs don't even get the time of day.

So easy to get distracted by shiny objects.

when the title and one highlighted section of a bill or a proposition is all that is taken the time to read.

What is sad is a few people are arguing in support for the title's premise, completely oblivious that a Photo ID is always required to buy a gun at a store. It was just a bad example.

That is legal.

That if 40% of gun sales.

http://www.factcheck.org/2013/03/guns-acquired-without-background-checks/

You are trying to compare a private non-commercial sale to a government interaction requirement. Shit Hoyt, two people could exchange a nuke for cash without an ID. Barring a complete 1984 society, that will never stop.

BTW, your link actually attacks the 40% figure as misleading.

Why even insert the bullshit?

A common affliction here.