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LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 10:39 AM Oct 2014

Doctor Says No Overtime; Pregnant Worker’s Boss Says No Job

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/20/nyregion/doctors-letter-spells-end-of-job-for-pregnant-employee.html

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Angelica Valencia put the doctor’s note in her pocketbook and stepped out of her apartment in the early morning darkness. Then she started praying.

She prayed on the crowded buses and on the subway train that carried her from Queens into the Bronx to the potato-packing plant where she worked. “Please let me keep my job,” she repeated during her two-hour commute. “Please let everything work out.”

She punched in at 7:30 a.m. and handed her manager the note. Then Ms. Valencia, who was 39 and three months pregnant, went straight to work. Last year, she had a miscarriage. This time, her doctor said, she was once again high risk. No overtime, he ordered, just eight hours a day.
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Doctor Says No Overtime; Pregnant Worker’s Boss Says No Job (Original Post) LiberalElite Oct 2014 OP
Same attitude libodem Oct 2014 #1
No FMLA? H. Cromwell Oct 2014 #2
I don't know a lot about FMLA, but SheilaT Oct 2014 #4
That is a good question ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #7
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #8
Thanks for checking on that. SheilaT Oct 2014 #15
You Sure? ProfessorGAC Oct 2014 #6
I took it to mean they actually deduct the hours from her FMLA, reducing the Fla Dem Oct 2014 #9
No, You and 1SBM Are Both Right ProfessorGAC Oct 2014 #17
additional info H. Cromwell Oct 2014 #18
True, almost ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #11
Holy #%*^ shenmue Oct 2014 #3
Silly gal, having sex and all. Didn't she know it led to babies? And, of course, valerief Oct 2014 #5
Employees love overtime! They'd be so sad if it were gone! Brickbat Oct 2014 #10
Laws are laws JamesMac Oct 2014 #12
hey PRO LIFE people. why aren't you fighting for maternity leave? alp227 Oct 2014 #13
So many employers are dicks. nt raccoon Oct 2014 #14
Yup, so many of them seem to completely lack empathy. Initech Oct 2014 #16
 

H. Cromwell

(151 posts)
2. No FMLA?
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 11:40 AM
Oct 2014

I've seen a similar situation where I work. (corrugation industry). A woman was pregnant and had a Drs. note forbidding overtime. The company legally deducted the overtime hours from her FMLA time and when the FMLA ran out they terminated her.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
4. I don't know a lot about FMLA, but
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 11:48 AM
Oct 2014

I find it hard to believe that a company could deduct time used that way from overtime hours, if the employee is working whatever the base level (usually 8 hours a day) of hours is for the job.

That's the sort of thing that needs a lawsuit. You'd probably need an attorney who'd take it on pro bono, or who'd take a portion of back pay once she was rehired. But it still needs a lawsuit.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
7. That is a good question ...
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 12:59 PM
Oct 2014

in my 25+ years in HR, I've never come across deducting O/T from FML ... my gut tells me it's an unlawful act (unless, maybe, if the overtime were mandatory and pre-planned).

Let me research this and report back.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
8. Okay ...
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 01:08 PM
Oct 2014

I checked with our resident FML guru. This is an allowable practice, though it is almost never applied because the employer, if challenged, would have to prove the overtime was, in fact, mandatory, was pre-planned and broadly required.

WOW, DU required me to learn something.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
15. Thanks for checking on that.
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 01:57 PM
Oct 2014

I'm under the impression that a company can require you to use up sick leave and vacation days first, but your point about protecting the job is the most important one, and that's why we finally got the FMLA.

ProfessorGAC

(65,076 posts)
6. You Sure?
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 12:58 PM
Oct 2014

The company does not have to pay at all for FMLA. It's unpaid leave, but the point is that one's position is protected under the law.

What you just described appears to be the exact opposite of FMLA, because there's nothing to deduct, it's unpaid. If she doesn't work the hours, she wouldn't get paid anyway.

And, the whole point of the act is to protect the position. In your examplpe, it appears they broke the law twice.

Fla Dem

(23,691 posts)
9. I took it to mean they actually deduct the hours from her FMLA, reducing the
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 01:10 PM
Oct 2014

amount of time she was on the company's books. So if in total her overtime would have been 10 days worth, they reduced her FMLA time by that amount. I could be wrong.

 

H. Cromwell

(151 posts)
18. additional info
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 10:18 PM
Oct 2014

That is exactly what they did. All OT is mandatory at this company...usually with little advanced notice.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
11. True, almost ...
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 01:12 PM
Oct 2014
What you just described appears to be the exact opposite of FMLA, because there's nothing to deduct, it's unpaid. If she doesn't work the hours, she wouldn't get paid anyway.


Actually, what is being deducted is from the employee's FML "Bank" ... but, I checked with our resident FML guru. This is an allowable practice, though it is almost never applied because the employer, if challenged, would have to prove the overtime was, in fact, mandatory, was pre-planned and broadly required.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
5. Silly gal, having sex and all. Didn't she know it led to babies? And, of course,
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 12:52 PM
Oct 2014

abortion is the work of Satan, so that's out. But taking that risk of having sex when she needs to stay employed, well, everyone knows having babies and a job is utterly ridiculous. This is the USA, after all, not some first world country.

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
10. Employees love overtime! They'd be so sad if it were gone!
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 01:11 PM
Oct 2014

HR directors are definitely the kind of person who should get between a woman and her doctor. As long as there's room for them, what with the politicians, religious leaders and insurance companies who want to get all up in there too.

 

JamesMac

(6 posts)
12. Laws are laws
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 01:20 PM
Oct 2014

Hi,

I am a lawyer specializing in this area of law. Here are a few links to consider:

http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/pregnancy.cfm

http://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/publications/fs-preg.cfm

There may be a possible argument that FMLA hours could be used if the overtime was mandatory but missed.

However, nowadays pregnancy regulations treat pregnancy as something similar to disability - requiring reasonable accommodation per the above links and as cited in the NYTimes article link in the post.

Without knowing all the facts it seems to me the employer messed up.

James



alp227

(32,034 posts)
13. hey PRO LIFE people. why aren't you fighting for maternity leave?
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 01:24 PM
Oct 2014

because the mother can't work, all of a sudden becomes a TAKER not MAKER right? oh my bad, women should stay home, MEN should work. no shit sherlock!

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