I mean at a peaceful protest. THis is INSANE.

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before the system provides anything remotely resembling what you and I consider 'justice.'

Those same additional martyrs may be the final precipitating event that forces President Obama's hand to do what I think should have already been done: federalize the MO National Guard and\or send in the 82nd Airborne and disarm all local constabulary.

But I don't think they will. I just updated the post. She was charged with a felony, assaulting an officer.

Do you have any idea how illegal that is?

Do remember that black groups have been BOMBED by our police officials before.

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I honestly didn't know that about 1st Marine and 7th Infantry.

We had troops in tanks at the end of my block pointing rifles at children. Namely me. Normal operating procedure for the United States.

The soldiers aren't going to just go in and tell the police to take a hike, you know.

If it takes the force of the US Armed Forces, then so be it. The citizens need to b protected from rogue cops and dangerously racist police institutions. They have been violating the rights of minorities since their inception and need to get a grip before the citizens that pay them decide to fight back. They refuse to self regulate. They need to have it done for them. And the 'stop snitching' 'thin blue line' refusal to speak out against the crimes of officers shows that they are a dangerous criminal force that conspires to keep their own crimes secret. To me, that is organized crime. They need to be charged for withholding information about felonies committed by other members of their gang. They want to act like a gang of racist thugs, then they should be treated as such in order to protect the citizens who pay their salaries.

the odds of the feds sending the military to shut down a local police force are about 1,000 - 1. Not gonna happen. Just my opinion.

There are other methods for dealing with criminals. Time to sue them till they are broken and realize that they depend on us for their pay. And that people are tired of being treated like second class citizens by all and sundry. From lynchings to stop and frisk, cops have always been active participants to the oppression of the minority. The minority is tired of it and feel our lives threatened whenever we encounter a cop. Why continue to antagonize a particular segment of our society? Because there will always be the majority who could care less about black lives. And those people will make excuses for them and minimize the damage they have done. They will pretend to care, but, they only want to find a way to make the suffering of others 'okay' and label those people deserving of oppression.

I took a look at a list you posted to improve our country. I agree with a large part of it.

It can be modified to fit the circumstances.

get a lot of

you review the history of the Rodney King riots in Los Angeles before you make an even bigger fool of yourself?

before getting in too high a dudgeon (although it may have been the 101st Airborne that was sent into LA or both - don't recall offhand.)

ETA: Actually, it was the Army's 7th Infantry Division, augmented by the Marine's 1st Marine Division:

I honestly didn't know that about 1st Marine and 7th Infantry.

Bush...Clinton...they both will wage war on ordinary Americans if need be.

There was a thread about that a couple of days ago. HQ 101st is in Africa, or will be soon.

-- Mal

for your command of historical fact and logical argument. Oh well, guess one can't have it all.

National Guard troops have traditionally been used to quell citizen unrest, not to disarm the local constabulary.

does law enforcement in Missouri they know how ridiculous they look to the rest of the world?
It's like an island where the US laws don't apply, like * except in Missouri.

But I suspect this happens more frequently than we know. So many people, believe it or not, don't even know what's going on so they would voice their horrible treatment. I suspect Mississippi must be as bad in some place.

is there not a single god damned grown up in the entire municipal structure there, or what?
do they not read the papers? are they really that STOOOOOPID?

I don't think it will just be St Louis either. It will all across the country that will be, well, I don't even know the right word

Seems some sort of new law in my home town....no pumpkins.

WTF?

Used to transfer from streetcar then bus at the courthouse everyday on my way to and from school in the 60's. Went to Lutheran High Central. Moved out of St. Louis in '78. I've enjoyed reading about the few liberals in St. Louis trying to get people to see the underlying racism.

But I would not call him liberal.

He's making the situation worse. He should have someone with a sense of what is going on read his speeches before he gives them.

The woman didn't even do anything!

They never answered Bassem's question: Where ARE their body cameras?

But, I'm not sure.

Nope, she didn't do anything. THe other two were charged with littering but the other woman didn't throw a pumpkin either.

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this ain't Keene. And the people in Ferguson are not 'mischievous' frat boys and sorority girls. The people holding THESE pumpkins are a THREAT!!! Call out the National Guard!!!!!

I think you've answered it.

understanding when they jump on a black person's back and drive their face into the ground for, say, almost anything. Right across the border is Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, the topic of a more or less recent book called "Whitopia". For very good reason.

I was reading a story in the paper here a while back - now we have over 500,000 people around here, mind you - about a black kid who came home sad, and when mom asked said

"I'm the only black kid in my class again".

I hope he has a chance in this life - but from what I suspect he has learned so far, I am not so sure.

They have enough black folk there to make an issue of it. Not so much in some Northern cities.

Everything beyond the Mississippi is the West to me. The Northwest looks pretty scary for non-whites.

Arresting a musician in the subway in NY even though he's not doing anything illegal

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/nypd-assault-arrest-subway-musician-reading-broke-law/#TK3W6rJxiHM8fSmF.99

It let's cops get away with violating them routinely. I am fucking sick of it. I am so fucking tired of smarmy politicians giving lip service to rights but looking the other way when the cops violate them.

Story just out about leaks to the press on the Darren Wilson testimony. Smug, disgusting, holier than thou bastard and former police chief of STLCPD describes what he thinks is happening

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/10/20/former-police-chief-speaks-on-latest-michael-brown-information-released/

it needs a thread of its own.

“So they are trying to do other things – I’ll call them consolation prizes – for the community, to show that we’re not just going to let them get away with this,” he says.

doing something to address the injustice of what happened while at the same time recognizing that no charges will be forthcoming.

But I am too enthralled in what is going on now.

The Ferguson pd have arrested a state senator. They're holding her at the fd for some reason. They cuffed her on the street and took her away w/o Miranda. Still watching stream. Don't know what charges are.

And yeah? The cop in that article is is horrid. Something is going down. And when the don't acquit comes in, well, I am afraid for everyone in that area

The cops wouldn't let her use the bathroom. They allowed a couple preachers in to see her and they came out very angry about the way she was being treated.

Although the protesters initially were calling for her release and calling whoever it is that helps them with bonds, that quickly turned to indifference and some anger.

Although the senator has spoken out a couple times for the protesters, she has not been at all involved in anything to do with the protests or trying to settle anything. Last night, she decided to make a statement by being arrested. She ignored the protesters and their leaders in what to do. She left them and did her own thing. She didn't even know know the chants. And then she tried to change them.

She also announced from jail she's having a press conference at 10 am today.

I don't know a jail cell that doesn't have a toilet in it. I can only assume that she wanted to use the regular bathroom and they said no use your toilet. Now she is having a press conference at 10:00 am today.

Is she down in the polls or something?

Just pointing out the obvious

Normally I say hi nice meeting you, but you seem to want to jump to welcome back, so welcome back JTFrog

Besides, I've never left. Never been banned. Never created a sock puppet, so, while the welcome back is appreciated, it's also inappropriate.

I looked myself assuming that is the case. But the Internet is flooded with stories of her arrest and I can't find the numbers.

I did find this in a few, or some variation of it:

From what I know and understand, Miranda is required for any arrest because it not only addresses questioning but custody. However, others are saying it only is for interrogation. Regardless, I guess they could have done it after they pulled her in. Though that's not what they have been doing with the protesters

Were charged with littering.

Y's know, I think most cops would have just laughed it off and maybe written a ticket.

be charged or arrested under because otherwise I just couldnt see any way the cops could arrest them without risk from having to pay money out in a lawsuit.

Just disbelief

line and break a law which they did.
Though if it goes to court I bet the charges are dismissed if charges are even pressed at all.

Didn't do anything

I'm sure you are right. Doesn't make me not in disbelief. The whole thing is surreal

IMHO, the protesters know exactly the kind of mindset they're dealing with. That's actually kind of rare.

They have been studying tactics and planning in detail.

Smart kids

And people were beaten, pepper sprayed, and shot with rubber bullets.

If the protester wanted to be "treated like the people at Keene", she seems to have gotten away more easily than they did, since she wasn't beaten or pepper sprayed.

She's been hit with tear gas, had rubber bullets buzz past her, watched as the cops left a boy's body on the street for over 4 hours.

They weren't throwing bottles and setting fires. She held a pumpkin

Just want to be clear on this...

I think a sense of proportion is called-for.

... were arrested for throwing a pumpkin or something like it?

...and I'd say the subject was the relative zeal and aggression of police towards each group.

If only a handful of sober people had participated in Keene, and dropped a single pumpkin in the process, then we wouldn't be having this discussion entertaining your convenient abandonment of context.

There were beatings. There were rubber bullets. There was tear gas. There were tazings. There were riot shields and helmets. This idea that the police in Keene were using kid gloves doesn't seem to match up with the facts.

before the police arrived.

And the rioters came back to do even worse damage after they had been dispersed by the police.

The proportions in every sense are instructive when comparing the two incidents.

Whites and blacks are not treated equally by law enforcement, the media or a great number of people.

The damage done in Keene in 2 days was more than has been done in St Louis County the entire 74 days since Mike Brown was killed. The number of people involved in Keene were far greater than the number of protesters in Ferguson. The people committing criminal acts in Keene were 10 times the number of those that committed crimes in Ferguson.

But the guns, tear gas, rubber bullets and arrests started immediately in Ferguson. They were used without warning, in the dead of night, in quite residential areas
.people were shot with rubber bullets. Amnesty International even came in. Because of peaceful protests. Yes, in the 1st 2 days there was looting and property damage but nothing compared to Keene.

Yet the public outcry and the MSM was "thugs" "looters" "mobs" etc.

So yeah, big difference in how they were treated

But either later or tomorrow. I am too busy to pull it now.

I am rather amazed at your response. That you can't see the difference.

NO rubber bullets in Keene have been reported to my knowledge. And they waited a day in Keene for the tear gad. AND those people were warned. No journalists attacked and their equipment dismantled either in Keene

I spent 2 hours this morning pulling articles and video, only to have my Internet crash before I was able to hit post

I will do it all again later today. I will say for now that you are correct, rubber bullets were used in Keene. I did initially miss that.

And I will put was auto saved from my post before it crashed:

But you have not addressed the fact that the MSM and the public at large, as well as the cops, have treated the two events differently.

may not mean what she thinks it does. The reaction to the Keene rioters was not rainbows and candy.

Big difference between not treated the same and candy and rainbows

Preventing an all out pumpkin assault? I don't get it.

ground and didn't move, so I would say she was doing civil disobedience. she wouldn't move, so they carried her away, so that's my guess.

a riot - they are doing everything they can to bring one on.

My thoughts are with all the protesters who are just trying to do the right thing and stop the thuggery, brutality and disregard for people's rights.

I can't fathom having to live like that. Deplorable

I think some lawyers should step up and help these people out by filing suit.

I honestly don't know why anyone would ever vote to increase police spending in light of what we have witnessed.

It's like they're all alone out there even with all the blatantly obvious travesties of justice

show up to parties dressed like a cop

I am stealing that!

Who knew? I'll spit more respectfully next time.

-- Mal

What the hell is the PD thinking?

In daily kos.

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2014/10/20/1337083/-Echoes-of-COINTELPRO-in-Ferguson

and the cops are thinking, "who the funk do these n*gxxxx think they are? "

I can't even pretend type the word.

Yeah, that's mural stuff was BS too

WTF?

Rumor going around more "leaks" will come out tomorrow in the Washington Post.