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Tommy_Carcetti

(43,192 posts)
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 11:06 AM Oct 2014

Never trust **ANYONE** who claims he or she will run government "like a business"

Last edited Wed Oct 22, 2014, 11:37 AM - Edit history (1)

Businesses, at least the for-profit ones, are not run for the benefit of the customer. They are run for the benefit of the shareholders, i.e. the people who pay in and demand money back in return. The customers are the by-product in the equation. So in the "government as a business" equation, the general public (i.e. the customers) are not the primary concern. The primary concern are the special interests (i.e. shareholders) who pay to play.

It unnerves me to no end when candidates say that. Here in Florida, Rick Scott ran on it in 2010 and is running on it again in 2014, and we've all seen how that's worked out.

Now, I have friends from back home in Maryland who have fallen victim to land developer turned gubernatorial candidate Larry Hogan's honey trap, who's promised the exact same thing.

If you know anyone who is thinking of voting for a politician because they think he or she will run government like a business, do not sit by quietly. Explain to them exactly how that works, and how it's not in their best interest to elect someone with that type of mindset.

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Never trust **ANYONE** who claims he or she will run government "like a business" (Original Post) Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2014 OP
Absolutely, Sir: It Is A Red Flag The Magistrate Oct 2014 #1
Not only that, but they never DO run it like a business anyway. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #2
What if that candidate/politican is a Democrat? wavesofeuphoria Oct 2014 #3
I wouldn't trust them (nt) bigwillq Oct 2014 #5
Then I'd keep a nervous eye on him or her. nt Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2014 #6
You mean like our third way/DLC/DINO Democrats? Cleita Oct 2014 #10
If the concept alone doesn't unnerve you, look at some of the actual businesses these guys have run. Gidney N Cloyd Oct 2014 #4
Businesses run on loans and temporary deficits. randome Oct 2014 #7
Contract everything out, the hell with long time employees. lpbk2713 Oct 2014 #8
I have this argument with people all the time. Cleita Oct 2014 #9
for example: KT2000 Oct 2014 #11
Depends BKH70041 Oct 2014 #12
It's a flawed analogy from the get-go, though. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2014 #13
An analogy doesn't have to be perfect to convey a message. BKH70041 Oct 2014 #15
Totally! Recommend. nt Zorra Oct 2014 #14
So bizarre how "business" is the benchmark for how to do anything caraher Oct 2014 #16
encountered one of these "candidates" recently hopemountain Oct 2014 #17
The public sector is not about making a product or a profit Wella Oct 2014 #18

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
2. Not only that, but they never DO run it like a business anyway.
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 11:24 AM
Oct 2014

'We the people' ARE the 'shareholders' in the government, for whom it is supposed to be run. And we each have exactly one share, no matter how rich or how poor. But the way government is currently run, those with more money are treated as if they hold more shares, so that they get more of the 'profits'. Rather than paying extra for the infrastructure damages their businesses cause, they leave the potholes for the rest of us to fix, and keep the profits they make using public such public commons, under a general 'trickle down' assumption that the rest of us benefit simply because they're doing business.

And one of the prime tenets of business that is that you have to invest to reap benefits down the road, but these 'run it like a business' politicians NEVER want to invest in education, infrastructure, safety, helping people rise out of poverty, or any other common good.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
10. You mean like our third way/DLC/DINO Democrats?
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 11:48 AM
Oct 2014

You may have to hold your nose and vote for them, but you make sure you let them know that the first time a candidate challenges them that is a true progressive, that person will get your vote and your money, not them.

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,847 posts)
4. If the concept alone doesn't unnerve you, look at some of the actual businesses these guys have run.
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 11:24 AM
Oct 2014

Bush, Mitt, Bruce Rauner in Illinois have all tanked some companies and walked away (with the corporate funds stuffed in their pockets). Their ideas of running things 'like a business' wasn't even good for the businesses.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
7. Businesses run on loans and temporary deficits.
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 11:27 AM
Oct 2014

The larger businesses have unbelievably complex bureaucracies. But that's not what they mean when they say 'run like a business', is it?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

lpbk2713

(42,766 posts)
8. Contract everything out, the hell with long time employees.
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 11:31 AM
Oct 2014



Their only remote sense of loyalty is to the one percenters.
Piss on everyone else. They're just pawns who make it happen.
Whenever I hear a candidate even suggest this I cross them off.
And Scott, BTW, is the biggest weasel I 've ever seen run for
office and I've been a reigistered Dem Floridian since JFK.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
9. I have this argument with people all the time.
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 11:44 AM
Oct 2014

Our government is a democracy that includes everyone. It's purpose is not to make a profit but to have a functioning society. Private enterprise is a monarchy with a king, nobles and an obedient plebiscite that can exclude those they don't want within its organization. Businesses only purpose is to make a profit at the expense of everything and everyone else with the exception of those small elite at the top.

KT2000

(20,586 posts)
11. for example:
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 11:59 AM
Oct 2014

A few years ago the University of Washington increased their allotment of foreign students and decreased the number of US students. Outrage ensued. It was a "good" business move - foreign students pay much much more in tuition.
That is how "business" works.

BKH70041

(961 posts)
12. Depends
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 12:19 PM
Oct 2014

When someone says they'll help "run government like a business", I'm taking them to mean they're going to look after it as though it were their own lifeblood that they poured into their business and that customer satisfaction is priority one. In fact, if they don't run their business in a way that makes their customers happy, there won't be any shareholders, and they know that. To me, that's not a bad thing.

Now whether or not they're being honest about their "run government like a business" claim is a whole other matter. But to outright not trust them because they use that phrase? No.

BKH70041

(961 posts)
15. An analogy doesn't have to be perfect to convey a message.
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 12:39 PM
Oct 2014

What I described is the message they would likely tell you they wish to convey.

caraher

(6,279 posts)
16. So bizarre how "business" is the benchmark for how to do anything
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 01:09 PM
Oct 2014

You can say you want to run a school or government "like a business" and people treat you seriously.

But imagine saying "I intend to run this business more like a school!" (or a charity, or the government). You'd be rightly laughed out of the room!

Businesses have a mission, and what makes sense in profit-seeking probably does not make sense if your organization's mission is educating children, helping the poor, or providing basic services for all.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
17. encountered one of these "candidates" recently
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 07:45 PM
Oct 2014

at a public meeting (he is running for county sheriff) he constantly referred to the people present as "customers" as in "consumers". i realized he was using the business model - and it is wrong. he was informed that if elected he will be serving 'citizens' not "customers" who a) vote for & may or may not elect him b) whose local and federal taxes pay his salary c) who have rights protected by the department of justice not a board of investors for whom the motto business model is "just us".

 

Wella

(1,827 posts)
18. The public sector is not about making a product or a profit
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 08:41 PM
Oct 2014

It's about insuring the rights, the security, and the welfare of the people. The public sector handles things that the private sector can't make a profit on, so the bottom line thinking that pervades private sector organization cannot be directly transferred to the public sector.

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