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underpants

(182,870 posts)
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 01:22 PM Oct 2014

BREAKING: Blackwater Mercs found GUILTY in Nisour Square killings

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/verdict-expected-in-blackwater-shooting-case/2014/10/22/5a488258-59fc-11e4-bd61-346aee66ba29_story.html

Seven years after American security contractors killed 14 unarmed Iraqis by firing machine guns and grenades into a Baghdad traffic circle, a jury in Washington on Wednesday convicted all four Blackwater Worldwide guards charged in the incident, one of the most ignominious chapters of the Iraq war.

The guilty verdicts marked a sweeping victory for prosecutors, who argued in a 10-week trial that the defendants fired wildly and out-of-control in a botched security operation after one of them falsely claimed to believe the driver of an approaching vehicle was a car bomber.

The guards claimed they acted in self-defense and responded appropriately to the car-bomb threat and the sound of incoming AK-47 gunfire, their defense said.

Overall, defendants were charged with the deaths of 14 Iraqis and the wounding of 17 others at Baghdad’s Nisour Square shortly after noon on Sept. 16, 2007. None of the victims was an insurgent.
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BREAKING: Blackwater Mercs found GUILTY in Nisour Square killings (Original Post) underpants Oct 2014 OP
I wonder what the sentence will be. el_bryanto Oct 2014 #1
I'd send them to the ME malaise Oct 2014 #2
+1 In my dreams. nt brer cat Oct 2014 #7
It took way too long for this to happen, the victims have tried for years to get some sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #3
Agreed. We need to stop the privatization of our military and Embassy security forces. n/t FSogol Oct 2014 #5
This, as you probably know, is why their was never a SOFA with Iraq underpants Oct 2014 #6
Very Glad To Hear This, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2014 #4
WWHD? reddread Oct 2014 #8
Here's Jeremy Scahill's take on this from The Intercept Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #9
Scahill had to really work to whine about this verdict. geek tragedy Oct 2014 #10
I cannot agree more. Raine1967 Oct 2014 #11
...... Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #12
Are you familiar with the distinction between civil geek tragedy Oct 2014 #14
Read or watch "Dirty Wars" Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #15
Jeremy Scahill is exactly right. Erik Prince and all the other war criminals who are responsible sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #13

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
1. I wonder what the sentence will be.
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 01:30 PM
Oct 2014

The cynical side of me (and it's all cynical today) believes that it will probably be some sort of fine.

Bryant

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
3. It took way too long for this to happen, the victims have tried for years to get some
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 01:37 PM
Oct 2014

justice for the losses they suffered. The are a danger to society and should spend the rest of their of their lives in prison. Then all contracts with Mercenary Orgs like Blackwater, Caci et al should be cancelled.

underpants

(182,870 posts)
6. This, as you probably know, is why their was never a SOFA with Iraq
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 01:42 PM
Oct 2014

The Pentagon wanted these types to not be susceptible to prosecution by Iraqis. We have SOFA's with every other country we have the military but NO not Iraq.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
9. Here's Jeremy Scahill's take on this from The Intercept
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 04:08 PM
Oct 2014
BLACKWATER FOUNDER REMAINS FREE AND RICH WHILE HIS FORMER EMPLOYEES GO DOWN ON MURDER CHARGES

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/10/22/blackwater-guilty-verdicts/

The incident for which the men were tried was the single largest known massacre of Iraqi civilians at the hands of private U.S. security contractors. Known as “Baghdad’s bloody Sunday,” operatives from Blackwater gunned down 17 Iraqi civilians at a crowded intersection at Nisour Square on September 16, 2007. The company, founded by secretive right-wing Christian supremacist Erik Prince, pictured above, had deep ties to the Bush Administration and served as a sort of neoconservative Praetorian Guard for a borderless war launched in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.

While Barack Obama pledged to reign in mercenary forces when he was a senator, once he became president he continued to employ a massive shadow army of private contractors. Blackwater — despite numerous scandals, congressional investigations, FBI probes and documented killings of civilians in both Iraq and Afghanistan — remained a central part of the Obama administration’s global war machine throughout his first term in office.

Just as with the systematic torture at Abu Ghraib, it is only the low level foot-soldiers of Blackwater that are being held accountable. Prince and other top Blackwater executives continue to reap profits from the mercenary and private intelligence industries. Prince now has a new company, Frontier Services Group, which he founded with substantial investment from Chinese enterprises and which focuses on opportunities in Africa. Prince recently suggested that his forces at Blackwater could have confronted Ebola and ISIS. “If the administration cannot rally the political nerve or funding to send adequate active duty ground forces to answer the call, let the private sector finish the job,” he wrote.

None of the U.S. officials from the Bush and Obama administrations who unleashed Blackwater and other mercenary forces across the globe are being forced to answer for their role in creating the conditions for the Nisour Square shootings and other deadly incidents involving private contractors. Just as the main architect of the CIA interrogation program, Jose Rodriguez, is on a book tour for his propagandistic love letter to torture, Hard Measures: How Aggressive CIA Actions After 9/11 Saved American Lives, so too is Erik Prince pushing his own revisionist memoir, Civilian Warriors: The Inside Story of Blackwater and the Unsung Heroes of the War on Terror.
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
10. Scahill had to really work to whine about this verdict.
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 04:12 PM
Oct 2014

Prince, while a lowlife, wasn't there firing a weapon so unclear how he could have been charged.

And his complaint that Obama officials aren't being prosecuted for a 2007 crime is bizarre.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
11. I cannot agree more.
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 04:36 PM
Oct 2014

The intercept is really proving to be a libertarian version of the Blaze… or something.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
12. ......
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 04:44 PM
Oct 2014
Employers, and not the employees themselves, will often be held liable for the conduct of their employees. This is true even if the employer had no intention to cause harm and played no physical role in the harm. To understand why, you have to understand two basic concepts that underlie employer liability.

First, employers are seen as directing the behavior of their employees and accordingly, must share in the good as well as the bad results of that behavior. By the same token that an employer is legally entitled to the rewards of an employee's labor (profit), an employer also has the legal liability if that same behavior results in harm.

Second, when someone is injured or harmed and needs to be compensated, who is the most likely to pay: the employee or the employer? Fair or not, the legal system is interested in making the victim whole, and assigning liability to the employer rather than the employee has the best chance of meeting that goal.


http://smallbusiness.findlaw.com/liability-and-insurance/an-employer-s-liability-for-employee-s-acts.html

And Obama, after taking office, continued using Blackwater, and other mercenary operatives to wage war to conduct covert "dirty wars", including assassinations, all over the globe.
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
14. Are you familiar with the distinction between civil
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 08:50 PM
Oct 2014

and criminal law?

Respondeat superior is not the rule in criminal cases.

Whom did Obama assassinate using Blackwater?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
13. Jeremy Scahill is exactly right. Erik Prince and all the other war criminals who are responsible
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 07:04 PM
Oct 2014

for the actions of their mercs, oops, sorry, 'contractors' will NEVER pay the price of their horrific crimes against humanity. Just like Abu Ghraib. And if you think the very smart loved ones of the victims of this particular crime don't know WHO is responsible you haven't been following this story since its beginning.

But hey, let's defend one of the most incredibly insane Fundy war criminal right here on DU. There WAS a time here on DU, infact around 2007, when we knew who was ACTUALLY responsible for the crimes of the Mercenaries overseen by their bosses, from Caci, Blackwater among others. But something seems to have created a certain 'blindness' to what we KNEW and what Jeremy Scahill among others, consistently reported on and are STILL reporting on.

I wonder what that is?? 2007! Maybe there is a clue there, no?

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