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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 06:40 AM Oct 2014

7 Facts That Show the American Dream Is Dead

http://www.alternet.org/economy/7-facts-show-american-dream-dead

1. Most people can’t get ahead financially.

If the American dream means a reasonable rate of income growth for working people, most people can’t expect to achieve it.

As Ben Casselman observes at fivethirtyeight.com, the middle class hasn’t seen its wage rise in 15 years. In fact, the percentage of middle-class households in this nation is actually falling. Median household income has fallen since the financial crisis of 2008, while income for the wealthiest of Americans has actually risen.


2. The stay-at-home parent is a thing of the past.

There was a time when middle-class families could lead a comfortable lifestyle on one person’s earnings. One parent could work while the other stayed home with the kids.
4. Student debt is crushing a generation of non-wealthy Americans.

Education for every American who wants to get ahead? Forget about it. Nowadays you have to be rich to get a college education; that is, unless you want to begin your career with a mountain of debt. Once you get out of college, you’ll quickly discover that the gap between spending and income is greatest for people under 25 years of age.


3. The rich are more debt-free. Others have no choice.

Most Americans are falling behind anyway, as their salary fails to keep up with their expenses. No wonder debt is on the rise. As Joshua Freedman and Sherle R. Schwenninger observe in a paper for the New America Foundation, “American households… have become dependent on debt to maintain their standard of living in the face of stagnant wages.”


4. Student debt is crushing a generation of non-wealthy Americans.

Education for every American who wants to get ahead? Forget about it. Nowadays you have to be rich to get a college education; that is, unless you want to begin your career with a mountain of debt. Once you get out of college, you’ll quickly discover that the gap between spending and income is greatest for people under 25 years of age.


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7 Facts That Show the American Dream Is Dead (Original Post) xchrom Oct 2014 OP
6. Even with health insurance, medical care is increasingly unaffordable for most people. Scuba Oct 2014 #1
Way back in the late 60s, when I was a student vlyons Oct 2014 #9
I have my last of three at UT right now and it isn't cheap, although I couldn't tell you how much! Dustlawyer Oct 2014 #16
Precisely the problem taught_me_patience Oct 2014 #37
I agree with you on the solution demigoddess Oct 2014 #52
Always a good source of information... MrMickeysMom Oct 2014 #2
I can hardly... ReRe Oct 2014 #3
Back in the mid-'90s and the Contract on America (sic) deutsey Oct 2014 #7
What is so frightening... ReRe Oct 2014 #20
Elizabeth Warren explained where we were headed 7 years ago. canoeist52 Oct 2014 #4
Thanks... ReRe Oct 2014 #28
How about the fact that most people yuiyoshida Oct 2014 #5
That's just simply not true. A HERETIC I AM Oct 2014 #30
I think that depends on location tabbycat31 Oct 2014 #32
I responded to Yuiyoshida's statement.... A HERETIC I AM Oct 2014 #33
Those may be the facts tabbycat31 Oct 2014 #34
Fine. A HERETIC I AM Oct 2014 #35
There are additional facts that skew these numbers making them unhealthy economically... bluesbassman Oct 2014 #51
Yup. As I said above, you win. A HERETIC I AM Oct 2014 #60
I've never owned a house PasadenaTrudy Oct 2014 #56
K&R.... daleanime Oct 2014 #6
offer twice the sacrifice to the same dusty idols! MisterP Oct 2014 #38
No idols for me.... daleanime Oct 2014 #57
BOW BEFORE BILLIE PIPER MisterP Oct 2014 #58
It's the American Dream for the .01%. Jerry442 Oct 2014 #8
Also the middle class 40 years ago was a huge untapped source of wealth for the wealthy. rhett o rick Oct 2014 #13
Maybe when the middle class has nothing left to tap they 1% will start eating each other, if we are jwirr Oct 2014 #24
They actually already have. I read some where that the 0.01%'s wealth was increasing substantially rhett o rick Oct 2014 #29
Yes, I am sure that they are competing against each other and it will only get worse. Wonder who the jwirr Oct 2014 #31
K and R (nt) bigwillq Oct 2014 #10
That is going to come as a shock for consumers of corporate media. Octafish Oct 2014 #11
Friedman is what an idiot thinks a smart guy sounds like. KG Oct 2014 #18
Amen to that. hifiguy Oct 2014 #48
Why is he still a thing? GeorgeGist Oct 2014 #59
How come The Swarm never turns up in these threads? beerandjesus Oct 2014 #12
keyword failure reddread Oct 2014 #14
Yeah--or a link to an actual left-winger on RT beerandjesus Oct 2014 #26
Because they live in their own reality where the status quo is just fine. nm rhett o rick Oct 2014 #15
they are too busy Tiger Beating Skittles Oct 2014 #39
No disagreement to fuel discussion. NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #54
GREED has a firm grip on our country. the "haves" are content with what they have secondwind Oct 2014 #17
They are not content. Martin Eden Oct 2014 #27
Indeed. Greed is the most pernicious addiction hifiguy Oct 2014 #49
Send millions of jobs to India and China with profits tax-free, this is what you get, whereisjustice Oct 2014 #19
Not too long ago I got into a debate with my American Gov professor about the death rhett o rick Oct 2014 #21
The Powell Memorandum was the blueprint for the last 40 years. hifiguy Oct 2014 #41
The Powell Memo detailed a conspiracy to redistribute wealth from the lower classes rhett o rick Oct 2014 #44
Conspiracies are supposed to be secret. hifiguy Oct 2014 #45
Related to #1 and not mentioned is the fact that many Americans not only cannot get ahead but jwirr Oct 2014 #22
Democracy, freedom gone with it. lonestarnot Oct 2014 #23
K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2014 #25
This is an excellent overview. Very easy to understand riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #36
George Carlin explained it all in three minutes hifiguy Oct 2014 #40
+1 Go Vols Oct 2014 #42
Beat me to it! Initech Oct 2014 #43
This should be an OP by itself, it is EXACTLY what is going on in this country. Rex Oct 2014 #46
Six years into Obama Administration - shows what gridlock can cause. maced666 Oct 2014 #47
True in some areas. hifiguy Oct 2014 #50
They're features, not bugs Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #53
That has always been the ultimate end-game of capitalism. hifiguy Oct 2014 #62
the country reagan made. the anti FDR. pansypoo53219 Oct 2014 #55
some of ya'll can rail against the GOP, but the dem party was happy to play along since the 90's KG Oct 2014 #61
The American Dream needs to change. Skidmore Oct 2014 #63
 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
1. 6. Even with health insurance, medical care is increasingly unaffordable for most people.
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 06:45 AM
Oct 2014
Even as overall wealth in this country has shifted upward, away from middle-class families, the cost of medical care is increasingly being borne by the families themselves. As the Milliman study shows, the employer-funded portion of healthcare costs has risen 52 percent since 2007, the first year of the recession.

But household costs have risen by a staggering 73 percent, or 8 percent per year, and now average $9,144. In the same time period, Census Bureau figures show that median household income has fallen 8 percent. That means that household healthcare costs are skyrocketing even as income falls dramatically.

The recent claims of “lowered healthcare costs” are misleading. While the rate of increase is slowing down, healthcare costs are continuing to increase. And the actual cost to working Americans is increasing even faster, as corporations continue to maximize their record profits by shifting healthcare costs onto consumers. This shift is expected to accelerate as the result of a misguided provision in the Affordable Care Act which will tax higher-cost plans.

According to an OECD survey, the number of Americans who report going without needed healthcare in the past year because of cost was higher than in 10 comparable countries. This was true for both lower-income and higher-income Americans, suggesting that insured Americans are also feeling the pinch when it comes to getting medical treatment.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
9. Way back in the late 60s, when I was a student
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 08:26 AM
Oct 2014

at the Univ of Texas Austin, we studied and discussed the death of the American dream as symbolized in such films and books as Easy Rider, The Godfather, Rosemary's Baby, The Graduate, The Feminine Mystique, Revolution from Within and many others. I think we hippies of the 60s were onto how craven, shallow, and hypocritical was the myth of American consumerism, and stereotypical roles for everyone. BTW: back then, my college tuition at a truly world class university was $125 per semester for 15 hours and room/board was about $125/mo. I shudder to think the financial agony that students face now. My bother went to Texas A&M and had no tuition because he was a work/study waiter for an hour every morning at breakfast.

The answer to this problem is quite obvious quite. Raise taxes on the upper 25% and on corporations to fund education. Also end foreign wars, but that's another discussion. America is exceptional all right. Exceptionally controlled by exceptionally greedy oligarchs. America better wake up!

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
16. I have my last of three at UT right now and it isn't cheap, although I couldn't tell you how much!
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 08:56 AM
Oct 2014

The University gave me another "Hit up the Alumni speeches" on the phone. The young lady said the University is having hard times these days because like everything else, the state of Texas cut their budget. I told her respectfully to tell them to take it out of the football and basketball team's budget!
My pay was cut 30% and the next month health insurance went up 40% in one year! I have a lot of health problems right now and just hope BP will be force to pay soon (not likely)!
Even back in 86, my last year in undergrad, I had to live in a 20' travel trailer at the end of the runway for Bergstom AFB. When the jet would take off from my end, one after another, the afterburners were aimed directly at my trailer. It would shake like it was in a hurricane!

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
37. Precisely the problem
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 12:00 PM
Oct 2014

The problem is that everybody wants the other guy to pay for it. You look back at how fortunate you were to get a cheap education... yet your proposal is "raise taxes on the upper 25% and on corporations". Nobody wants to pay for it... so guess who ends up paying... that's right, the kids going to college.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
2. Always a good source of information...
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 06:56 AM
Oct 2014

I didn't link article yet, but I'm guess it mentions the complete flattening of the middle class.

What middle class?

This is quite disgusting, because the people up there sitting like little cherries atop the 1% are doing fabulous.

Two conclusions that are forgone…

1) There is no middle class.

2) Trickle down economics was a lie then, and a big huge lie now.

Bumper stickers should read, "trickle down worked this way" and have that little cartoon (Calvin and Hobbs era) pissing.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
3. I can hardly...
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 07:13 AM
Oct 2014

... believe all this is happening. No more American dream for so many. Only mobility going on is downward. So many college graduates can't find a job in their field, forced to work minimum wage jobs (two of them), and so much debt they can't even think about starting a family.

This is NOT progress.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
7. Back in the mid-'90s and the Contract on America (sic)
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 08:16 AM
Oct 2014

I remember saying to friends as we talked about GOP efforts to undo all the social progress since the New Deal, "It's almost like they're trying to reduce us to a third-world banana republic."

My thinking at the time was that this would be the unintentional outcome of these drooling, political troglodytes and their idiotic efforts. But I've since come to believe that, no, it was (and is) all very intentional. It was always part of the plan.

And like a bunch of rubes at a rigged carnival game promising big, fluffy prizes, most of the American public has fallen for it hook, line, and sinker.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
20. What is so frightening...
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 09:11 AM
Oct 2014

... is that young people, born since Reagan, grew up and are growing up thinking this is "normal."

canoeist52

(2,282 posts)
4. Elizabeth Warren explained where we were headed 7 years ago.
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 07:44 AM
Oct 2014

"Distinguished law scholar Elizabeth Warren teaches contract law, bankruptcy, and commercial law at Harvard Law School. She is an outspoken critic of America's credit economy, which she has linked to the continuing rise in bankruptcy among the middle-class. Series: "UC Berkeley Graduate Council Lectures" [6/2007"

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yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
5. How about the fact that most people
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 08:02 AM
Oct 2014

can not afford a house, and are paying rent. IT may get to the point most people can not afford a car either. I don't have one, but this city has great transportation choices.

tabbycat31

(6,336 posts)
32. I think that depends on location
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 10:37 AM
Oct 2014

Judging from the poster you replied to's sports team in their signature, I am guessing they're from San Francisco, which is one of the highest (if not the highest) COL city in the country.

I'm from the other side of the country, and I'll never own a house (even if I won the lottery, which would be the only way I could afford it). I simply don't want the responsibility that goes along with homeownership.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,370 posts)
33. I responded to Yuiyoshida's statement....
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 10:45 AM
Oct 2014

that "most people can not afford a house and are paying rent"

I googled "percent of americans that own homes vs rent"

67% ownership of single family homes beats the hell out of 'most people pay rent'

Where you live is not applicable. Sure, in NYC it is 50% of people rent apartments.

That's not what the poster above stated as a fact.

Scroll all the way down on the page I linked above. It has percentage of renters by state. California is only 17%. New York is about 24%

tabbycat31

(6,336 posts)
34. Those may be the facts
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 11:04 AM
Oct 2014

But you have to read between the lines. How many of those 'owned' homes are owned by a landlord who decides to rent them out. For all you know, the 'owned' home could be one of 8 that the person owns and is renting 7 of them out. The housing boom and bust has lead to homes being bought as investment properties as opposed to a place to live. This is a country that tends to reward real estate investors and penalize renters (via the tax code).

And NY and CA are both very big states. Homeownership tends to be higher in rural (and cheaper) areas. Both states have major cities and an abundance of rural areas. Even though they're the same state, Columbia County, NY and NYC are two different ballgames.

There's also a whole generation that is not buying homes at the same rate (and time period) as their elders for numerous reasons (student loan debt, poor job prospects, homes being unaffordable, etc). I'm 34 and the only one of my peers that I know that owns a home (old college friend who I'm in touch with by FB only) is in a very rural area. Most of us have accepted the fact that homeownership before 40 is just not possible and won't happen.

bluesbassman

(19,374 posts)
51. There are additional facts that skew these numbers making them unhealthy economically...
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 04:40 PM
Oct 2014
A total of 9.7 million American households still have “underwater” mortgages, meaning they owe more on the home than it is currently worth. Homes in the lowest price tier are most affected, according to data released today from Zillow.

Thirty percent of homes in the bottom price tier are in negative equity, while only 18.1% of homes in the middle tier and 10.7% in top tier are underwater, according to Zillow’s Negative Equity Report. Homes are defined as top, middle, or bottom tier based on their estimated value compared to the median home price for that area. (Nationally, the median price in the top tier is $306,700; middle tier, $163,400; bottom, $98,400.)
~snip~
What’s particularly significant about the Zillow report is that it underscores a reason for the low prevalence of first-time homebuyers in the market: many owners of less expensive homes can’t afford to sell.

“The unfortunate reality is that housing markets look to be swimming with underwater borrowers for years to come,” said Zillow Chief Economist Dr. Stan Humphries via a release. “It’s hard to overstate just how much of a drag on the housing market negative equity really is, especially at the lower end of the market, which represents those homes typically most affordable for first-time buyers. Negative equity constrains inventory, which helps drive home values higher, which in turn makes those homes that are available that much less affordable.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erincarlyle/2014/05/20/9-7-million-americans-still-have-underwater-homes-zillow-says/


There are a lot of homeowners who simply can't afford to sell their homes, and without an influx of first time home buyers it does not bode well for increased home ownership among the population.

Jerry442

(1,265 posts)
8. It's the American Dream for the .01%.
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 08:16 AM
Oct 2014

The natural adversary of the rich isn't the poor, it's the middle class. The poor are in such dire straits that they have to focus all their energies on getting themselves and their families through each day. It's the middle class that have the resources to organize and become a political force and change things.

Want to be safe and comfortable at the top of the heap? Eliminate the middle class. Keep a handful of skilled technicians to keep the system running. Everybody else gets to fight over those minimum-wage yacht-scrubbing jobs.

Looks like we're about there.


 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
13. Also the middle class 40 years ago was a huge untapped source of wealth for the wealthy.
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 08:54 AM
Oct 2014

How far will we let this go?

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
24. Maybe when the middle class has nothing left to tap they 1% will start eating each other, if we are
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 09:27 AM
Oct 2014

lucky.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
29. They actually already have. I read some where that the 0.01%'s wealth was increasing substantially
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 10:21 AM
Oct 2014

faster than the 0.1%.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
31. Yes, I am sure that they are competing against each other and it will only get worse. Wonder who the
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 10:30 AM
Oct 2014

last rich man standing will be?

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
49. Indeed. Greed is the most pernicious addiction
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 04:31 PM
Oct 2014

the world has ever seen. Stop it or it will destroy the world.

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
19. Send millions of jobs to India and China with profits tax-free, this is what you get,
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 09:08 AM
Oct 2014

minimum wage college grads flipping burgers. This is by design, not by accident.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
21. Not too long ago I got into a debate with my American Gov professor about the death
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 09:14 AM
Oct 2014

of the American Dream. As many Americans now believe, she believes that the American Dream means that it's possible to raise from the lower class to the upper class. She even used Barack Obama as an example. I call it the "American Dream: Win the Lottery Style." This meme has been pushed by the 1% to mollify the lower classes. "You too can be part of the 1%." They don't mention that the odds of that happening are 1 in 100 million.

After WWII (the big one) the American Dream was to own a modest home, have one working family member working 40 hours a week with 2 weeks paid vacation, and the opportunity for their children to have a better life, and a modest retirement plan.

The conservatives killed the American Dream, starting in about 1970. Those that lived thru the First Great Republican Depression were about 50 years old or older in 1970. That generation tried to warn us Baby Boomers, but we didn't pay attention. Systematically the conservatives tore down the American Dream.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
41. The Powell Memorandum was the blueprint for the last 40 years.
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 03:31 PM
Oct 2014

The people who commissioned it were the same people who pulled Reagan's strings. He was the perfect salesman for their oligarchical bullshit and social reactionism - dumb as a brick and he actually believed it. Reagan was in a delusion of denial long before the onset of Alzheimer's. It's ALL in the Powell Memorandum.

Read it at: http://law.wlu.edu/deptimages/Powell%20Archives/PowellMemorandumTypescript.pdf

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
44. The Powell Memo detailed a conspiracy to redistribute wealth from the lower classes
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 04:18 PM
Oct 2014

to the 1%. Not all conspiracy theories are bunk.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
45. Conspiracies are supposed to be secret.
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 04:22 PM
Oct 2014

This was about as secretive as the mayor marching down Main Street on St. Patrick's day in front of 10,000 Irishmen and a brace of pipe bands.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
22. Related to #1 and not mentioned is the fact that many Americans not only cannot get ahead but
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 09:19 AM
Oct 2014

that they are going backwards. Especially the poor.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
36. This is an excellent overview. Very easy to understand
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 11:31 AM
Oct 2014

The last lines exhort everyone to vote and get involved before the PTB "saw off" the last leg of the middle class which is gutting Social Security.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
46. This should be an OP by itself, it is EXACTLY what is going on in this country.
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 04:24 PM
Oct 2014

The drones won't like it, but sometimes the truth hurts.

 

maced666

(771 posts)
47. Six years into Obama Administration - shows what gridlock can cause.
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 04:27 PM
Oct 2014

Thanks for the roadblocks republicans.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
50. True in some areas.
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 04:33 PM
Oct 2014

But it wasn't Congress that declined to prosecute the banksters and the torturers, and that failure is the single greatest failure of this administration.

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
53. They're features, not bugs
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 06:01 PM
Oct 2014

The monied elite, the PtB, want what they have always wanted: A populace with no options and no security, desperate enough to work for pennies or a workhouse bed for the night. Forget selling to the US middle class, they'll sell to the much bigger Asian markets.

Once you realise what their agenda is (and I'm not talking about an overarching conspiracy, simply that the corporate elites tend to have similar goals), everything makes sense. Education gets cut because worker drones only need basic literacy and numeracy. The plebs are pushed into debt because it makes them more desperate. Ditto eviscerating Social Security and welfare (and Clinton must take a lot of blame on that one). Keep them desperate, keep them scared, and you can get away with paying them pennies, or a meal or a workhouse bed.

KG

(28,751 posts)
61. some of ya'll can rail against the GOP, but the dem party was happy to play along since the 90's
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 06:28 AM
Oct 2014
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