There is no scientific basis to hold her against her will. NONE.

I hope she sues the hell out of Christie. This policy is not aimed at preventing a spread, it is aimed at looking tough. She was asymptomatic, meaning she was not infectious. She has a right to go anywhere she damn well pleases.

1. the individual must pose an actual threat to the public -- She doesn't, she is asymptomatic.

2. the intervention must be reasonable and effective -- It isn't, like people are not treated similarly, thus not effective.

3. it must be conducted in a manner that comports with equal protection and due process -- It isn't.

4. individuals must be provided with safe and comfortable conditions; and 5. reasonable compensation for loss of income must be ensured.

writer who does not understand the science one iota can feel more secure.

It is maddening having these folks on DU.

Believe in science, or not, that is the question. If not, one should join Fox News, plenty of recs and applause for you lack of knowledge and hatred of liberty there.

HUGE UNREC.

Not everyone here agrees with each other. To spew slurs and personal attacks such as you have just done to me tells me that you aren't worth my time.

And so glad you know all about my background that you feel confident enough to know my understanding of science. Can you put on your soothsayer hat and read my future too?

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there is this issue of free speech in my way. I disagree with him. and living outside in a tent isn't what I call encouraging. America isn't Africa. which again is both fortunate and unfortunate. Too bad repukes have so little faith in our Medical system

is of concern though. The main concern though I had is she wasn't being told at first why she was being held. And that violates our laws.

She is not contagious of ebola. She has no symptoms and has been checked by doctors saying that. If she has contacted ebola, there is not enough in her blood to register making her not contagious.

She is not an "actual threat to the public" so according to your post and link, they failed on the first point.

"3. it must be conducted in a manner that comports with equal protection and due process."

They failed in this point also as there has been no due process.

Holding someone involuntarily that is not a threat without allowing due process is a violation of civil liberties.

protecting anybody from anything and are everything about giving the appearance of doing something while abusing power.

Maybe they should quarantine anybody carrying a gun. People around gun-toters are far more likely to get shot than anybody who rode the same subway or bowled in the same alley the night Dr. Spencer was out.

Kaci Hickox was at no time a risk to anyone. There was no risk of anyone getting Ebola from her as she had no Ebola virus in her blood. Christie and Cuomo have exposed themselves for the ignorant, crass fools they are if anyone is smart enough to understand that they were grandstanding for political gain which did nothing to protect the public health.

Saying that being imprisoned in a tent with no running water, shower, fresh air, sunlight or proper toilet facilities is no big deal is idiotic. Another candidate for the ignore list. My ignore list has been expanded during the Ebola scare and my DU experience has been improving.

Exactly

you have to give him that.

in the publics eye.

No, not everyone is freaking out and panicking. But we trust them to be a bit more cautious. And that has proved not to be the case. If they could be trusted to stay put in their home for 21 days well based on a recommendation... that would be one thing. The facts are clear. Nancy Snyderman, the persons in TX, this doctor, Amber Vinson..... All decided that they wouldn't follow the recommendations.

And this woman is making a stink, making it all about her personally instead of understanding that she needs to stay out of the public for 21 days.

Hell, I'm sure hospitals don't want her working for 21 days anyhow. If they do, they are fucked up.

I only used the 'panicking' and 'fear mongering' terms because I'm tired of anyone showing concern over Ebola to be labled with those terms and told to 'calm down'. .....I figured turn about was fair play.

BTW......Love your siggie!

and I haven't heard she wants to work right now.

Making her pay for others mistakes--(tho some DID follow recommendations)-- is not the way to go.

This is informative tho--about the ridiculous hyped-up level of panic and the political response to it. Cowardly, crass, and exploitative.

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of those who come back from working directly in Ebola areas of Africa. But this is absurd over-reaction and obviously politically motivated.

The fact that there were mistakes made in the Dallas case does not justify what they are doing to this symptom-free individual. This does NOT make me feel better--it makes me feel LESS convinced that officials know what they're doing re Ebola in this country.

Yes, tighten the protocols, yes, learn from Dallas. Health care workers WILL follow reasonable guidelines and accept reasonable monitoring.

Lets have some faith in health care professionals to do better than in the Dallas mess--now that everyone is more up to speed with it?

with the exception of two health care workers.

They contracted the disease after he was admitted as a result of the hospital not following proper bio hazard procedures. No one in the general population contracted the disease by sitting on a bus with him, nor did anyone contract the disease by sharing living space with him. Nor did anyone contract the disease by touching the bowling ball he placed his sweaty fingers in.

probably the nurses who were exposed in Dallas should not have been treating other patients at the same time, and obviously there was a problem with what "self-quarantine" means. But these are things that happen in a test case. Now they should be doing better about understanding Ebola response, after this initiation to it. But they are using it for political gain now--Repuglicon flop sweat desperation. What they are doing to this nurse in NJ is absurd. She has no symptoms.

If you read my post you would not feel the need to instruct me. I am in agreement that there was over-reaction and a lot of that was due to the media's treatment of it as a threat situation, provoking widespread panic. The media is who should be most heavily criticized.

Maybe you meant your reply to go to Ann---

?? I can't figure why you'd answer to me since we're on the same page in this. Suggest to read my post again.

It was early this morning, I was on my way out the door. I apologize, my mistake.

why are you frightened about that?

Why do you pay lip service to respecting the science but you fail to understand it....you are in a lot of company, I will grant you that.

is freaking out and panicking. Self monitoring has been working.

Even then, her civil rights are violated.

etc.

Freedom and liberty and due process and non imprisonment after bravely serving the world for months in a foreign land are over rated any way.

Luxury tent. What a joke of an OP.

who is not sick, is being held?

It has a long tradition in this countryto keep people safe, and many generous people are self-quarantining, not suing for Internet.

Please. Do some reading up on this. The needs of the many etc.

How about you, were you comfortable with Christie placing a woman, who is not sick btw, in a tent with an armed guard?

you're from New York, Spenser was in New York and you just can't be too careful, ya know.

Hell, he may have dripped sweat on the same sidewalk you walked on. And how can you be certain that you didn't breath the same air?

What's good for the nurse, should be good enough for you too.

is one of the public that is genuinely concerned. No basis in act, but certainly genuine.

Isn't that how most folk vote also?

So if you look at it with that kind of lens, imprisoning a perfectly healthy, never ill hero nurse against all medical science and in a luxury tent, cough, makes a lot of sense, a lot of political sense, and isn't that what really matters?

He posts a totally unserious OP and expects serious debate...geeseh.

I would highly recommend a self delete.

Christie is fighting for his political life and Cuomo is running for reelection, neither is going to do anything to jeopardize their own political viability.

why don't all you folks who are frightened to death about getting this disease, obtain for yourselves (don't go outside, order off the internet) some duct tape, plastic sheeting and several cases of tuna fish and seal yourselves inside your homes?

to me. What part of the science or health western health care do you not understand? it is not going to happen, no matter how much those folks want it to.

Isn't fear. It's smart.

to contain the disease is stupid and selfish and will ultimately contribute to its spread instead of stopping it.

Treating the heros that have volunteered to fight against that enemy like enemy combatants will not protect anybody.

Nobody can force healthcare workers to treat Ebola patients -- although one DUer actually did suggest forcing us to. Good fucking luck with that.

If you are that afraid, lock yourself away.

Be prepared to be flayed alive.

Health care workers have been irresponsible, flying with fevers and bowling. It appears they need to be quarantined.

unless you get on a commercial flight and land at several airports?
Ebola hcw are going to travel on transportation with the public.
They are releasing Hickox anyway
I think there is no problem to have the health dept monitor her twice a day for the remainder of the 21 days. Nigeria also did not quarantine everyone but they did have monitoring by government hcws.
Of course if the person shows symptoms there must be immediate quarantine.

a person with Ebola can actually infect anyone else. So your post is simply ignorant.

On the other hand, for all of the fear mongers like you, maybe after every single time you are in contact, such as in the same room with, someone with the flu, you should be quarantined during that incubation period. Which would be a lot more helpful considering how very contagious and infectious flu is compared to Ebola.

You have further lowered the bar. What I can't figure out is why you think this opinion is so worthy of yet another thread. Weren't the 1,000 other threads enough to leave a comment on?

Need to just take a deep breath and not end up with another deleted by jury rant.