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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"Plague Ship": Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Charles P. Pierce
As long as there have been human beings, there has been epidemic disease. As long as there has been epidemic disease, there has been panic. As long as there has been panic, there have been heroes who stand in the middle of it, heedless of the blind terror, and beat it back through the sheer force of their humanity.
And as long as there have been human beings, there have been human beings with power over other human beings. As long as there have been human beings with power over other human beings, there have been governments. And as long as there has been epidemic disease, and as long as there has been panic, there have been human beings who have the right combination of rancid ambition and foul cowardice who come into the government and seek advantage from the panic and, therefore, from the epidemic disease itself. There have always been human beings who are heroes in the face of epidemic disease. And there have always been slaves to their own worst instincts.
Kaci Hickox, meet Chris Christie.
Kaci Hickox, meet the inexcusable Andrew Cuomo.
Kaci Hickox, meet the know-nothing poltroons of the American conservative movement.
Kaci Hickox, meet the bland, desperate inmates of the mainstream media.
The Red State gang and the rest of them can't help themselves. It's like asking camels not to spit.
CNN can't help itself because it already has fired up the logo and the doomy music. Sorry, Malaysian Airlines 370. You're on your own now, wherever you are.
The epic rest: http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/Big_Chicken_And_The_Hero_He_Captured
FSogol
(45,488 posts)JohnnyLib2
(11,212 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)That nurse is a heroic human being, as are the other nurses and doctors who are desperately trying to stop this epidemic.
Christy and Cuomo, politicians in general, not so much.
randys1
(16,286 posts)a level of care for others.
Ebola is yet another example of literally thousands where a rightwinger will be wrong about everything, from their reaction to who to blame, etc.
BobbyBoring
(1,965 posts)Embryos and zygotes. Other than that....
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)I have not been following this story super-closely).
That Christie is a real piece of work. OTOH, he seems perfectly well-suited for today's Republican Party.
starroute
(12,977 posts)Small bands of hunter-gatherers that each have their own territory and only get together for special occasions don't provide the conditions for epidemics. Only agriculture does that.
It took lots of people living in close proximity with one another and with their domestic animals -- and clearing the forests so as to displace the animals there -- to create the conditions for epidemic diseases to take hold and spread.
Even in the Americas before Columbus there may not have been epidemics, because the indigenous peoples were completely vulnerable to European diseases. The Europeans may have brought syphilis back with them (the jury is still out on that one), but there hadn't been syphilis plagues ravaging the New World.
For that matter, it's equally inaccurate to say, "And as long as there have been human beings, there have been human beings with power over other human beings. As long as there have been human beings with power over other human beings, there have been governments." Hunter-gatherer societies have no government in a sense we would recognize -- and they're very careful to keep any one member of the group from getting too big for their britches.
There's nothing wrong with arguing against the ginned-up panic over Ebola. But blaming it on human nature does a discredit to us humans.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)starroute
(12,977 posts)Present-day hunter-gatherers are vulnerable to picking up diseases from their civilized neighbors, but the best evidence is that when the world was all small foraging bands, epidemic diseases were rare to non-existent.
http://books.google.com/books?id=7yCpBRAY22UC&pg=PA251&lpg=PA251&dq=epidemics+hunter-gatherers&source=bl&ots=LIN5JXcw0X&sig=6U8aW_j65iaks4CZrcGIx0rrnTA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ZodOVNG-O9S3yAT1woC4AQ&ved=0CD8Q6AEwBTgK#v=onepage&q=epidemics%20hunter-gatherers&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=SXpGhERTtOEC&pg=PA99&lpg=PA99&dq=epidemics+hunter-gatherers&source=bl&ots=e8EyY52pzo&sig=euhHdo0zYY5nIYZG2Z77qfU145Y&hl=en&sa=X&ei=UYdOVIaJLJOnyATg7IKICQ&ved=0CEsQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=epidemics%20hunter-gatherers&f=false
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)I.E. not agriculture. In the early 1900s, when typhoid was called "the white plague" and was one of the main killers, doctors in upper Canada would send native people back to their homes as that was the best chance for recovery. The death rate for people living as hunter gatherers was far lower and the only explanation they could come up with was the difference in diet.
Thank you for your post as it is important to have correct information. I have read about the theory that Spaniards contracted syphilis in the Americas, and the thought is that the native peoples might have been carriers but did not show symptoms. Agriculture may have been the change that brought about the beginning of the destruction of the environment. I argued in another thread that agriculture allows for population booms that are impossible in hunter gatherer societies which naturally leads to the depletion of resources. Plagues and war are the only things to keep it in check, but it seems even those can't keep apace with population growth.
lark
(23,105 posts)Love, love, love Charles Pierce. He tells it like it is and does it so eloquently.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)Xyzse
(8,217 posts)This is one scary story.
Though, as for your post... I agree!
muriel_volestrangler
(101,321 posts)This is how you deal with sensationalist media headlines (like "A GHOST ship laden with cannibal RATS is sailing for our shores, experts fear as nobody knows where it is!" from The Sun)
Pressed over whether the navy would intervene he said: "Gosh, we're almost in a B-movie script development meeting here."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/24/ghost-ship-cannibal-rats-crash-uk
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Someone needs to get in Christie and Cuomo's face about this
VA_Jill
(9,979 posts)is looking stupid with a lawsuit thrown in.