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JaneyVee

(19,877 posts) Mon Oct 27, 2014, 04:39 PM Oct 2014

WTF?! Jimmy Carter flip-flops on marriage equality.

Former President Jimmy Carter no longer believes that marriage equality should be legal nationwide.

Carter, who announced his support for marriage equality in 2012, told a Texas news station in an interview broadcast Sunday that he believes the issue should be left up to individual states.

“I’m kind of inclined to let the states decide individually. As you see, more and more states are deciding on gay marriage every year. If Texas doesn’t want to have gay marriage, then I think that’s a right for Texas people to decide,” Carter said.

Carter added that he opposes having the government “tell a church to marry people if the church doesn’t want to.” Civil marriage equality does no such thing.

“I don’t think that the government ought to ever have the right to tell a church to marry people if the church doesn’t want to,” Carter said. “I’m a Baptist, and the congregation of our church will decide whether we have a man or a woman as pastor, and whether we’ll marry gay people or not.”

The rest: http://www.salon.com/2014/10/27/jimmy_carter_flip_flops_on_nationwide_marriage_equality/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

I hope he isn't compromising his principles just because his son is running for governor in a red state.

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WTF?! Jimmy Carter flip-flops on marriage equality. (Original Post) JaneyVee Oct 2014 OP

Sounds like it. JoePhilly Oct 2014 #1

Yeah, well, he also thinks we should have ground troops...in SYRIA...to fight ISIS. TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #2

hard to say but it kind of sounds like he is going with what is actually working JI7 Oct 2014 #3

I wonder if he's nuancing the hell out of this because his grandson is running for office. NightWatcher Oct 2014 #4

Just, flat stupid gratuitous Oct 2014 #5

I think this will happen on all fifty states in time. Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #6

Well, I'll say it. He's losing it. HERVEPA Oct 2014 #7

Civil rights are not subject to the opinion of the majority nt Adrahil Oct 2014 #8

grandson, and yes he is. GeorgeGist Oct 2014 #9

Bigoted tripe. Behind the Aegis Oct 2014 #10

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)

1. Sounds like it.

Reply to JaneyVee (Original post)

Mon Oct 27, 2014, 04:44 PM

Oct 2014

The law has nothing to do with his baptist church.

He has to know that.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)

2. Yeah, well, he also thinks we should have ground troops...in SYRIA...to fight ISIS.

Reply to JaneyVee (Original post)

Mon Oct 27, 2014, 04:44 PM

Oct 2014

Syria, where we're hostile to the government and just about everyone else there EXCEPT the Kurds and some of the Free Syria Army. He's ninety, and I'm going to leave it there.

JI7

(89,251 posts)

3. hard to say but it kind of sounds like he is going with what is actually working

Reply to JaneyVee (Original post)

Mon Oct 27, 2014, 04:45 PM

Oct 2014

in getting same sex marriage. it is happening state by state and to let it work out that way. at least i hope it's the case and not any change in support for it.

as for the church it has always been the case that they did not have to marry anyone they did not want to. it's just another lie that right wingers would always spread about how their church will be forced to do .................................

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)

4. I wonder if he's nuancing the hell out of this because his grandson is running for office.

Reply to JaneyVee (Original post)

Mon Oct 27, 2014, 04:48 PM

Oct 2014

I don't like leaving civil rights up to the states. We must protect the civil rights of everyone in the country equally.

For the record, I was not married anywhere near a church and the officiant was not a preacher or other holy man. Nowhere is anyone asking to force churches to marry people. By the power vested in me by the STATE OF (insert state here), I ...... Everyone I know who is married has a state marriage license. The "force the church" cop out is weak. I respect Carter but not on this one.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)

5. Just, flat stupid

Reply to JaneyVee (Original post)

Mon Oct 27, 2014, 04:50 PM

Oct 2014

I can't imagine why Carter would endorse the "states' rights" bullshit on marriage equality. It boils down to, "Well, you're fully recognized as a citizen with constitutional rights in Massachusetts, but in Texas, you're whatever a majority of the people decide." Should citizens lose their Fifth Amendment rights just because they're accused of a crime in, say, Oregon, but they're fully entitled to invoke their Fifth Amendment right in California?

While the states may administer civil and criminal rights differently, there should be no question that a citizen's constitutional rights aren't subject to the whim of any individual state's electorate.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)

6. I think this will happen on all fifty states in time.

Reply to JaneyVee (Original post)

Mon Oct 27, 2014, 04:53 PM

Oct 2014

In fact there are more states who have changed at this time than I originally thought would. Each state has their own divorce laws and common law rules so who knows. I have thought for some years not allowing one's partner in hospitals was terrible and changing to allow same sex marriages would take care of this problem for sure. Let's hope the evolution will soon be over