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OnlinePoker

(5,719 posts)
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 05:10 PM Oct 2014

Charlestown Indiana mayor wants to use eminent domain to transfer 350 homes to developers

Residents of more than 350 homes in an Indiana neighborhood will know by the end of the year if they will be victims of eminent domain because of their mayor’s plans for a new development of restaurants and modern housing.

Mayor Bob Hall of Charlestown, Indiana, a town about 90 miles southeast of Bloomington, announced in June he wanted to demolish more than 350 homes in the town’s Pleasant Ridge neighborhood for a modern development to include small businesses, restaurants, and affordable housing tailored for seniors, according to the News and Tribune. The new development would also include duplexes and single family townhouses

http://www.westernjournalism.com/watch-mayor-indiana-town-wants-kick-residents/

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They will only pay $15k per house.

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Charlestown Indiana mayor wants to use eminent domain to transfer 350 homes to developers (Original Post) OnlinePoker Oct 2014 OP
SOP Republican GeorgeGist Oct 2014 #1
The lawyers must be lined up around the block at each home. Vinca Oct 2014 #2
The article says . . . Brigid Oct 2014 #6
Holy cats! This is in a town of about 7500. KamaAina Oct 2014 #3
Western Journalism Center is an extreme right wing site. alp227 Oct 2014 #4
I prefer the Western Journalism page to either of the two you listed OnlinePoker Oct 2014 #5
Then they should get credit for covering this. $15K per house is stealing.n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #13
The power of local government continues to creep in land development issues. Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #7
This crap comes to us directly from the Supreme Court's decision in Kelo v. New London. former9thward Oct 2014 #8
Yup. Hissyspit Oct 2014 #9
WTF were they thinking!? Who advised these justices to vote against private landowners!? Dont call me Shirley Oct 2014 #11
Yep. One of the WORST pro-corporate decisons by "liberal" judges. Eleanors38 Oct 2014 #12
One of the few cases where most of DU agrees with Scalia and Thomas, Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #28
Yep. Dr. Strange Oct 2014 #30
WJ's other headline is "Leftist Activists Find a Way to Ruin This 8-Year-Old's First Ever Touchdown" MisterP Oct 2014 #10
I Thought Owners Had To Be Paid.. ozone82 Oct 2014 #14
True. Brigid Oct 2014 #18
Their houses have probably lost value pstokely Oct 2014 #22
I was curious about that - see my post below csziggy Oct 2014 #27
Check this out... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #15
We are so screwed The Jungle 1 Oct 2014 #16
Wait for me! Brigid Oct 2014 #21
light The Jungle 1 Oct 2014 #24
Now rethugs want to take private property.... blackspade Oct 2014 #17
And Republicans claim to care about private property. JDPriestly Oct 2014 #19
Who owns the Chiefs? AngryAmish Oct 2014 #20
That photo makes it look like their jerseys say Qutzupalotl Oct 2014 #32
First Amendment Solutions HoosierCowboy Oct 2014 #23
The amount alloted to pay for the houses is not $15,000 each - it's $10,000 csziggy Oct 2014 #25
Nothing fishy here liberal N proud Oct 2014 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Louisiana1976 Oct 2014 #29
Not that I question this story - I do question the source. What a slimy, RW website. Drunken Irishman Oct 2014 #31
What did these country Hoosiers think was going to happen? ... aggiesal Oct 2014 #33

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
6. The article says . . .
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 05:52 PM
Oct 2014

A property law firm from Arlington VA is looking into the case, pro bono.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
3. Holy cats! This is in a town of about 7500.
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 05:22 PM
Oct 2014

So one figures there are only about 2500 houses in the entire town!

OnlinePoker

(5,719 posts)
5. I prefer the Western Journalism page to either of the two you listed
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 05:37 PM
Oct 2014

They are both written to sound in support of the plan whereas the WJ article seems to support the resident and condemns the right-wing mayor.

Baitball Blogger

(46,714 posts)
7. The power of local government continues to creep in land development issues.
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 06:17 PM
Oct 2014

And I'm sorry to say that both parties are guilty because it requires cooperation across partylines, which means that everyone needs to have a little bit of profit for inducement. That's what makes the thirdway concept so dangerous to individual American freedom.

former9thward

(32,009 posts)
8. This crap comes to us directly from the Supreme Court's decision in Kelo v. New London.
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 06:28 PM
Oct 2014
Kelo v. City of New London, 545 U.S. 469 (2005) was a case decided by the Supreme Court of the United States involving the use of eminent domain to transfer land from one private owner to another private owner to further economic development. In a 5–4 decision, the Court held that the general benefits a community enjoyed from economic growth qualified private redevelopment plans as a permissible "public use" under the Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment.

Thanks, Stevens, Kennedy, Souter, Ginsburg, and Breyer for this pile of shit.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
9. Yup.
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 07:09 PM
Oct 2014

Pretty much everyone in the country along the entire political spectrum was disgusted by that ruling.

Except for extreme rich.

Pretty corrupt.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
12. Yep. One of the WORST pro-corporate decisons by "liberal" judges.
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 07:25 PM
Oct 2014

That decision means your very home is subject to destruction if corporate power wants it.

Dr. Strange

(25,921 posts)
30. Yep.
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 09:02 PM
Oct 2014

And the disgusting irony: the land still sits unused, never developed. The homeowners were ripped off for nothing.

ozone82

(91 posts)
14. I Thought Owners Had To Be Paid..
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 07:54 PM
Oct 2014

FMV (Fair Market Value) for their property. I would love to find out what some of the streets are, with that I could do a quasi-appraisal* of some of the properties. Hard to believe those homes would come in at $15k, unless they are mobile homes, or in horrid shape..

*Did residential appraising for 13 years with my father.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
27. I was curious about that - see my post below
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 08:49 PM
Oct 2014

Most of the houses I looked at in the neighborhood were gaining value until 2010 to 2011. Some had modest decreases in value until this year when many lost about one third of their valuation according to the county tax assessor.

What catastrophe has happened in that one neighborhood in the last year to cut property values that much? Or is the county devaluing the homes to justify buying them cheaply and destroying them?

Take a look at the figures I posted below.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
15. Check this out...
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 07:56 PM
Oct 2014


FDR speaking before a crowd of 30,000 at the Techwood Homes dedication ceremonies held at Georgia Tech’s football stadium. to announce the clearing of a slum. Old dilapidated buildings were being torn down and replaced with new and modern homes. The existing residents of those slums were allowed to move into those homes at no cost to themselves.

That's the way urban renewal USED to be.

Now it's evict the poor to sell to the rich.
 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
16. We are so screwed
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 07:57 PM
Oct 2014

The thing is that we no longer have private property. We just rent it from the local government. Stop paying your taxes and see what happens. Zoning is the biggest offender of freedom.

In my community local zoning goes so far to actually dictate some architecture. I can't dig a hole or cut MY trees without asking permission. I can't do anything within 100 feet of my stream. 200 feet total. That is not freedom!!! I have no control over that 200 foot swath of land. I just get to pay taxes on it.
This community is republican, this county is republican run. Yet the zoning is out of control. When you bring up the fact that this is not freedom the republicans just grin. They know exactly what they are doing. They are taking away control and power from citizens. Zoning in the state of Pa. is so out of control our state government passed a bill that takes away the power of local zoning as it relates to farms. Farmers get a pass. A pass that gives me hope. Local zoning can do nothing that interferes with farming in PA.

So yes the next logical step would be for the government to just take personal property!!!!! And they are doing it. They are taking land and homes and the police will take your money at a traffic stop.

What the government consistently does is offer just enough below market value so you won't go hire a lawyer. I have watched them do it time and time again. One guy did fight and win. That was sweet.

Where did I leave that pitch fork. Where is my wife she will know. Gota go.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
17. Now rethugs want to take private property....
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 07:57 PM
Oct 2014

And give it to corporations.
I guess public property wasn't enough.

What bullshit.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
19. And Republicans claim to care about private property.
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 08:00 PM
Oct 2014

That is unbelievable. I hope he gets voted out of office real soon.

It's corruption. I have seen eminent domain do good things. But that is ridiculous.

Qutzupalotl

(14,312 posts)
32. That photo makes it look like their jerseys say
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 09:30 PM
Oct 2014

THIEFS

Apropos. Perhaps that was your intent. I found it amusing, at any rate.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
25. The amount alloted to pay for the houses is not $15,000 each - it's $10,000
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 08:45 PM
Oct 2014

But that is not the total amount that might be paid, it's the amount of grant money the town could get:

He estimated the neighborhood now has approximately 350 structures, including multi-family homes. Hall said the neighborhood was designated as blighted property in 2002, and grant funding recently made available from the Indiana Housing and Community Development Authority has escalated plans to renovate the area.

Hall said the IHCDA is offering up to $25,000 for the acquisition process for some of the homes. For structures that receive the full $25,000 in grant funding, $10,000 will be allotted to the sale price and the remaining $15,000 would go toward demolition, maintenance and administration costs.
http://www.newsandtribune.com/news/clark_county/article_3ec2b9a3-abb1-5572-9c16-2a2d74d1ca50.html


I looked up just one of the streets in the affected subdivision, Arlington Avenue on the Clark County Indiana Tax Assessor website. ALL the valuations of the single family homes on that street dropped drastically between 2013 and 2014. The loss of value is not because of the recession - values actually were going up until 2010 or 2011 for ALL of the homes I looked at. Until the past year none dropped drastically in value and most went up slightly until the last few years. Some of the homes have dropped nearly a third of their value in just one year according to the valuations on the tax assessor's site. This is the value of the homes, not the tax rate so changes in rates is not what I am seeing.

This looks very hinky to me, as if the county is trying to justify destroying the homes by devaluing them.

Here is a list of the values for the ones I looked at (in thousands so 27.5 = 27,5000):

2013 ------ 2014
28.9 ------- 26.0
37.9 ------- 25.0
53.1 ------- 32.5
41.5 ------- 25.5
40.6 ------- 25.2
55.0 ------- 36.7
49.3 ------- 33.1
63.6 ------- 36.1
31.4 ------- 19.6

http://www.xsoftin.com/clark/default.aspx

Response to OnlinePoker (Original post)

aggiesal

(8,914 posts)
33. What did these country Hoosiers think was going to happen? ...
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 11:21 AM
Oct 2014

Growing up in Indiana, everyone knew that Democratic hotbeds centered
around urban areas, like Indianapolis, South Bend, Fort Wayne, Evansville and
the NW region near Chicago. The rural areas vote Republican.
This is straight out of the Republicans play book.

I don't like the government using eminent domain to transfer private property from
owner to another owner. If the developer wants it bad enough buy the property.
Why should any developer personally profit from eminent domain?

But, I'm willing to bet the house, that come next Tuesday, Charlestown will vote in
another Republican congressman, State Rep., sheriff, mayor, ... you name it, they'll
have an (R) next to their name. (i.e. Incumbent Todd Young).

Never realizing that one has everything to do with the other.

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