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Baitball Blogger

(46,768 posts)
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 12:34 AM Oct 2014

Police chiefs call for expanding gun background checks



Law enforcement officials from across the country on Monday called for background checks on all gun purchases, including private and gun-show sales.

"We must close off all avenues for dangerous people to acquire firearms," Orlando Police Chief John Mina said, during a press conference for the National Law Enforcement Partnership to Prevent Gun Violence at the Orange County Convention Center.
lRelated International Association of Chiefs of Police Conference


The partnership is comprised of nine national law-enforcement groups, including the International Association of Chiefs of Police, which is holding its annual conference at the convention center on International Drive.

On Monday, Mina and other chiefs cited statistics suggesting that gun violence is a growing menace to law enforcement.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-gun-background-checks-police-chiefs-20141027-story.html
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Police chiefs call for expanding gun background checks (Original Post) Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 OP
It's a growing menace to us ALL. calimary Oct 2014 #1
UBCs? I support them. Just keep Feinstein away. Eleanors38 Oct 2014 #2
Actually, police are dying far less than they did in past decades. NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #3
Perhaps a license should be required to own a gun and Live and Learn Oct 2014 #4
Not possible under our legal system. NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #5
And they are right to do so- UBCs are the way to go friendly_iconoclast Oct 2014 #6
And easy to implement. NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #7
This could become law if packaged with removing import bans and/or machine gun moratorium. aikoaiko Oct 2014 #8
Sounds great I'm all for checks...but who are those dangerous people?? HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #9

NutmegYankee

(16,201 posts)
3. Actually, police are dying far less than they did in past decades.
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 12:59 AM
Oct 2014

That said, universal background checks are a simple and straightforward approach. The seller and buyer get together and fill out a state form (2 copies). Once that is done, the seller calls the phone number and reports everything on the form to the operator, who enters it and runs the NICS check. If it comes back clean, an approval number is given and logged on each form. The buyer and seller then sign the forms and each keeps a copy. We have this in Connecticut.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
4. Perhaps a license should be required to own a gun and
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 01:27 AM
Oct 2014

it should expire every few years like a driving license. Yearly would be even better. At which time, a new background and mental health check should be completed.

And it should apply to police officers too.

NutmegYankee

(16,201 posts)
5. Not possible under our legal system.
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 02:29 AM
Oct 2014

If your drivers license expires, you don't have to give up your car. It's still your property and you can keep it at your house. You just can't operate it on public roadways. For firearms, the analog is Concealed Carry permits or hunting licenses. If they are expired or revoked, they can't carry or hunt, but the guns still remain in their possession.

There are no legal methods to change that under US law. The only method to remove guns is through due process in the courts, and that requires some sort of crime or the like to be committed.

aikoaiko

(34,185 posts)
8. This could become law if packaged with removing import bans and/or machine gun moratorium.
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 06:41 AM
Oct 2014

Make it easier for progun groups to go along with it.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
9. Sounds great I'm all for checks...but who are those dangerous people??
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 07:57 AM
Oct 2014

What makes them dangerous? Is Chief Mina once again talking about Wayne LaPierre's monsters among us?

As seen in New York, pushes to identify more dangerous people can have questionable results. The SAFE ACT, compelling the mental health industry to report 'dangerous people' to a criminal database quickly led to hyper-inflation in reporting. The rate of reporting mentally ill persons as dangerous in New York is now multiple times greater than the historic rates of actual adjudications of dangerousness.

It remains to be seen just how dubious a value this criminalization of mental illness will be for New York. But analysis of the FBI NICS database suggests persons adjudicated dangerous by reason of mental illness are not only fewer in number but also have a much lower rate of being caught attempting to buy firearms (catching people thusly is the entire justification for the background checks) than persons with various criminal records and association with illicit behaviors...particularly drug use.

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