Guns Bless America!

To have missed that many times says that these police officers need to practice more or some were shooting because the others were but didn't want to actually shoot the man.

heads of their enemies. Apparently, we are not naturally inclined to want to kill our fellow humans and, even after infantry training, some are still unable to bring themselves to do it willfully.

I have no idea how to verify if that is correct or what its source is. But maybe someone who knows more about the subject can weigh in.

In my platoon, that, AFAIK, never happened, when someone is trying to kill you, you try to kill them first.

where they are all volunteers not conscripted from the population.
In your fathers army, the one with conscription you had a cross section of the populous and so there would be more people not so hot on the idea of killing people.

But when you have a volunteer army it is out of balance with the cross section of the people and so there will be a higher percentage of them that are there for that reason, because they want to kill people...because it is fun, and exciting and gives them a adrenalin rush, and because they have seen how on the TV those are our heroes.

And once out of the army there next logical career move is to be a cop, where they still have that license to kill...but with the need to make an excuse for why.
The violence in this country will not stop until we recognize this and change.

I'm 66 years old, so you can guess which military adventure I was associated with.

But Viet Nam changed a lot of things...and few for the better.

like you to take a look at this site if you get the time:

http://www.military-sf.com/Killing.htm

Makes for some interesting and thought provoking reading.
All I can tell you is from my personal experience, it didn't happen in my platoon, maybe in others, but in mine, AFAIK, no one purposely missed when we were in a firefight.

the time of the Vietnam War, military training was already aware of this and devising ways to condition troops not to intentionally miss. So it looks like your personal experience does trump my spotty memories of what I read, at least as far as Vietnam is concerned. That's as it should be, I suppose. Still, sarisataka's post also makes for some interesting reading on this question.

most of the research on this comes from the book On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society by Dave Grossman (an excellent book which I strongly recommend to anyone with an interest in the subject)

The site you reference below summarizes many of the points Grossman makes. In WW2 the rate of troops effectively engaging the enemy was between 15-20%. The rest would either intentionally shoot to miss or volunteer for jobs to keep them from having to shoot e.g. caring for wounded, retrieving ammo etc.

Since this phenomenon was discovered training has been altered to counteract the natural inclination to avoid killing. In Korea the estimate is 55% would effectively engage and by Viet Nam the number was 90+%.

I have not seen more recent numbers but my experience is that the percentage is still very high.

are the solution...police in another country would have handled this differently.

with this man, who seemed more mentally ill than he seemed actually violent.

Are there no other crimes or police work that this group could have been doing that they had to have EIGHT of them there? Do police actually have any specific training with dealing with mentally ill people? This reminds me of the shooting in St. Louis city where the cops pulled up to the scene of the guy with a knife and within SECONDS shot him dead. Didn't even talk to him or try anything else to diffuse the situation. They don't even seem to be trying anything. It's like they look at everyone as a violent criminal and the only tool they have is a gun.
This is insane. This is murder.

and then try talking to him. Problem is, they really didn't want to, they wanted to shoot. Like someone already said, a tazer was made for this situation. They just didn't care about him or look at him as a human being. What is wrong with them!

laughing their heads off.

In declining to prosecute, the cops and U.S. Department of Justice said investigators did not find evidence the officers had demonstrated "willful misconduct."

they missed at point blank range 32 times or 70%. That's a lot of bullets flying around in public.

On another thread while responding to someone that claimed that just because the police fire so many shots so fast does not mean they are shooting out of control. These officers must have had their F'n eyes closed.

They committed murder.

And notice the cars passing in the background? There could very easily have been more than one death from this shooting.

in which 2 women were using to deliver newspapers. They were lying flat in the pickup bed, out of their minds with fear, as the cops
mistook their truck, which was parked in their driveway, for a bad guy's.
Truck ended up looking like swiss cheese, the women were not injured, and the following lawsuit resulted in them getting a new truck on top of whatever else they got.

they just start shooting. If I remember correctly the truck wasn't the same type or color. Whose brilliant idea is it to have so many different shooters? Is it really the idea to just point at the vehicle and empty your gun? How do they know when to stop shooting?

This case proves that they really don't have a clue as to what they are doing.

Not in the least. Not even this.

The kind of people who really want to BE cops are the last peole in the world who SHCOULD be given the job. Police departments draw from the sick, twisted psycho part of the population more than any other employer, with the possible exception of high-level finance.

Militarization has only made it worse.

but is there any indication that the victim posed any threat to the police? That really pisses me off, cops can execute you for not doing what they tell you. "Drop the penknife....no? BLAM". "Put your hands in the air....no? BLAM". "Stop filming me....no? BLAM"

Obey us or be killed.

Did this man pose ANY threat to them? Charge them, wave the knife at them?

Sickening.

That could have taken the head right off those cops.

It just looks, sounds, and seems to be.

And the state and feds approved of their actions. Par the course for a nation in love with guns and death.

Douchebadges.

the US brand. Soon they will report only to their masters, the rich, if they don't already.

Private goons hired by local law enforcement agencies, it gets all mangled. There is no justice for the poor or non-white. But there will be. It's inevitable. Corrupted power has never stood forever. But it will hurt.

But seriously, 42 shots and only 14 hit at that range? I'm not a gun nut, but I've shot guns. Thats pathetic. At that distance I can put all my shots in a 2 inch diameter or less.

It seems to me that these cops took it upon themselves to fire until their clips were empty.

46 times, outside synagogue."

The news media would be abuzz with it for a month.

But our poor and our homeless are the "parasites" and the "vermin" of the Fourth Reich.

I grew up in a time when "It can't happen here" was endlessly promoted as a meme.

As ws, "Never forget."

And it all depends on whose definition of "It can't happen here," or "Never forget" is being used.

Outrageous. Life is cheap under conservanazi rule.

really that is all they see when there is more than 2 officers present.

'willful misconduct"? So much for holder's department caring about some of amerikas citizens. Some yes, you guess, some no, still your guess. It's just not right. This one is sad.

The police in albuquerque were attacking and shooting the mentally ill and homeless. The DOJ stepped in and the shootings have slowed down.

It's so very sad police recruits are not chosen who have compassion, empathy and sympathy.

in a shopping plaza

it's a miracle no one else was hit by all those missed shots!

Death by firing squad.

All of these cops should be in jail.

It makes me sick.

And welcome to DU!

trench . These incidents are becoming common place . I guess it's just part of the collapse of
Empire and the beginning of a new police state .

one grabs his leg and drags him, another shoves his body with a foot, and then yet another one uses his foot to shove the body. They treat his body like old trash that is in the way but that they didn't want to touch.

He didn't look threatening before they shot him--he looked scared of the dog. He was hunched down in a self-protective stance and even the way he was holding his little knife looked like he was trying to keep it between himself and the dog, in case the dog attacked him. He wasn't close enough to hurt any of them, not even when they started shooting.

That was a combination mob action and firing squad. People should be enraged by the way those cops behaved, absolutely enraged.

I do think, too, that whenever there are multiple cops, as soon as one shoots, they all start shooting, and as far as I can tell, once a cop starts shooting, he doesn't stop until his weapon is empty--and not even then in many cases, since we have seen videos in which some of them reload and keep shooting long after their target is down.

Use of force regulations in war zones are stricter than what the cops follow in this country. There seem to be no limitations on when, where, or why they get to shoot at us, and they clearly have no concept of excessive or unjustifiable force.

Obviously they view citizens as the enemy, not as citizens whose taxes pay their salary and whom they are supposed to serve and protect.

LAPD cops present during part or all of the Rodney King beat-down: 21.

At the risk of sounding like one of those squishy, touchy-feely liberals (and not the hard-boiled Socialist I fashion myself), I'll simply say there's not enough reverence for life in these parts.

Your post really captures what's going on, I think.

And need help.The cops are the last people you want to call.