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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI don't worship doctors, but i do worship doctors/nurses/other people
who deliberately put themselves in harms way to help people and stop the spread of a deadly virus.
they do something that i neither have the skill-set to do, nor the guts.
so yes, i believe the guy who goes out of his way to help people will not come home and deliberately infect his own city. And that as citizens of NYC we should stand by our heroes, given that they are so few and far between.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)to not always be able sustain that heroism in all subsequent aspects of their lives.
But then, heroism itself is a floating designator applied circumstantially by outsiders, except for the case of narcissistic heroism...in which case we must ask is it heroism or the narcissism...
At any rate, inconsistency isn't uncommon. Thank god for the moments when heroes are heroic, and empathize with them during the times they act just like the rest of us.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)that is not a random act of narcissistic heroism.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)to suspend people's civil rights. we should be careful when we do that and not depend on hysteria
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)regulatory authority can be challenged, either by appeals to the agency or the court
Such appeals don't infringe on "civil liberty" but seek relief back to civil liberty
The problem isn't failure to recognize a scientific truth. The problem is focusing on an overly simplistic yet airtight scientific truth...you can't get infected with a virus that isn't present
Quarantines are intended to make viruses absent in the community at large. They actually do conform to simplistic but utterly true versions of scientific fact.
The policy problem and people's objection to it is that the quarantine places a huge burden on a person in the form of restricted freedom of movement (a burden that isn't measured by science or is even really a concern of scientists, other than psychologists). The policy provides no benefit to the community in the form of better control of Ebola (control of Ebola in a community is NOT really a concern of science, concerns with such outcomes are, rather, objectives of -applied technology iow, the day to day practices of medicine and public health).
The mandated quarantine in Maine is bad policy not because of science, but because the policy doesn't produce a value to society that exceeds the burden that the policy places on individuals and the community.
The balance of burden and benefit don't come close to a favorable balance
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Science on one side of the burden to meet the regulatory standards, and fear on the other side.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)The policy is based on over reliance and over importance of a scientifically justified fact...absence of virus means absence of new viral infection....
The policy is flawed primarily because it doesn't balance the burden and the benefit.
The policy could be modified in ways that reduce aspects of burden without shifting away from the very simple scientific fact/logic that it's based on. That might make the burden more acceptable.
It's also true that deeper consideration of the known circumstances that contribute to Ebola beomg available to susceptible members of the community could be used (imo would have been better to invoke) to relax the structure of the quarantine...at least in the absence of manifest evidence for increasing the strength of the quarantine.
Hillcox herself seems reluctant to turn to medical technology to end the crisis. She could do the blood test. But to my knowledge she hasn't, yet. She seems intent on acting out disobedience.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)I see we are back to disparaging name calling again.
Are YOU PROJECTING??????
At any rate, name calling typically implies lack of something you deem meaningful to contribute
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)There are worst descriptions of circumstances around a death than "gave their life saving others".
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)word to use, let them look up the various definitions.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)even remotely infect their loved ones and family and friends and colleagues...is fucked up thinking.
Dr. Spencer does not disprove that, he proves it, no one else is infected, including his close family, and girlfried, and they can not be because he immediately self reported, the fucking story about him "lying" was a desperate ploy by Fox News owned NY Post to attack this central indisputable fact....self monitoring by these professional heroes is effective and the gold standard.
Fuck Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdock and the Kochs, they are a viral menace to America. They attack the character of a super hero because their whole fucking universe of fear is coming undone.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)we just all want to think that we are living these high risk lifestyles and we can contract strange diseases and die from terrorist attacks. in reality, what will kill us is that second cheeseburger.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)calling the health workers arrogant for not wanting unnecessary quarantines etc
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)be a medical expert....
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)and the ebola hysteria.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)pocoloco
(3,180 posts)....and the dipfucks who believe them!
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)and everything your children and grandchildren will ever have, etc.
randys1
(16,286 posts)Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)
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stopbush
(24,396 posts)and there are a lot of weak-minded people around.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Warpy
(111,358 posts)Once I'd inherited enough to live on, I could have provided a lot of continuity of care over long assignments.
The bravest people are the Liberians who are going out to remote villages without protective gear so they don't scare people away, looking for people who are sick and bringing them to hospitals and clinics in vans and SUVs. I am astonished by that level of bravery.
Contrast that with the scared little weenies over here who think they're going to catch it if anyone who has been anywhere on the African continent breathes near them.
Everyone who is fighting this thing from people in US hospitals to people in the hot zone who feel symptoms coming on and leave their families to go to clinics and hospitals with no guarantee of coming out, just so their families will stay healthy, are heroes.
Cracked.com has a great article on where a lot of the hype and hysteria are coming from: http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-reasons-ebola-panic-secretly-racist/ Once again, they're making more sense than the rest of the major media.
Crunchy Frog
(26,647 posts)and irresponsibly in another.
Nothing will ever convince me that roaming around all over a big city, going to restaurants, bowling alleys and on subways, when one has been exposed to Ebola, and after one has begun to feel fatigued and "sluggish", is a responsible thing to do.
I don't care how much hate I get on here for expressing this opinion.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)I realize that we're all human with human failings and that even those people I admire have human frailty and may make human mistakes of judgment. I do fault care givers who I see as having a God complex and believe that despite the things they've done that are selfless and noble that they can also not see their own risk factor and potential harm to others, that they can place themselves on a pedestal of being all-knowing and above everyone else and won't hear of anything that contradicts their own actions, thoughts, behavior, etc. that comes from anyone else even those in authority above them and who believe that any of their actions, thoughts and behaviors are always correct and can't/won't recognize that every health issue isn't all about them and their personal desires.
I admire - not worship - those people that put themselves in harms way but won't pretend when they error in judgment about something else that because of their previous noble deeds their errors should be ignored or accepted. To do otherwise is the very problem of hero worship.