meme?

...the "Obama will resign before he's impeached over this" meme.

This is DU, right?

Regular human beings do not ... we draw our own conclusions, thanks ...

killed one cop.

Kind of like Michael Brown allegedly stole those cigarillos and allegedly jaywalked.

But see, Michael Brown is dead after allegedly jaywalking and petty theft.

But Frein is alive after allegedly killing one cop and wounding another.

That 'allegedly' thing sure works out differently from case to case. I wonder why . . .

when you fall to your knees when the police order you to you are less likely to get shot then if you punch a cop in the face.

I know those are weird and arbitrary rules to you, but that is the world we live in.

sense to me.

USA! USA! USA!

whereas brutally murdering a cop and critically injuring a second one and then keeping several counties on high alert while you hid with your weapons, that warrants a chance to give yourself up.

and violence for 200 plus years, and roles were completely reversed for those 200 plus years, the white person in that scenario would have done way more than punch the cop before the cop gunned him down and executed him.

White privilege is pretending you have the first clue about anything that has anything to do with the actual experiences of minorities in a country where many of the citizens still want to own slaves.

and I live in Arizona, I know full well what you are talking about. But I don't see any overt racism in these two cases, I have tried to find it, because the Ferguson situation pisses me off, but the guy in Pennsylvania did nothing to resist, he got on the ground like a coward when the police caught up to him, that is the ONLY reason he is still alive.

I was referring to a poster who said that if Brown hit the cop he probably deserved to die.


He didnt use those words but it is what is meant by that argument

report went a long way towards changing my mind away from a racist/execution angle.

two cases.

But carry on.

It fits your agenda.

that 'allegedly'. And Frein is alive. And white.

Brown jaywalked. Er, make that 'allegedly.' And Brown is dead. And black.

See, that was easy.

What's your agenda, btw?

You chose only two cases and compared them. While they are different endings, that cannot be used to make any larger point because the error from the small sample is too big. One could choose a case where a white man died and a black man lived and make the opposite conclusion. You need to have a true statistical sample.

... but damn if he won't try to hammer that square peg into a round hole.

Please check your facts first. Trooper Douglass is alive and recuperating from his injuries TG, and could be able to testify against Frein.

The state and local police along with different sheriff departments wanted that
P.O.S. caught alive so he can stand trial and then suffer years in prision before
he is executed.

Pennsylvania has the death penalty but we don't actually execute very many people.

Most hoped that he'd killed himself right after killing the trooper because it would have streamlined the whole process; the others just hoped that he would be found before he injured or killed anyone else but they really didn't expect him to be apprehended without more bloodshed.

Sure, those are anecdotes but they demonstrate that not *all* police wanted him to rot in jail before execution.

.... at all to to shoot anybody else and that if he was the least bit threatening he
would have been killed ASAP. But in the end he was a coward who couldn't even
finish himself off before he was taken into custody.

My guess is the cold weather starting to hit the PA woods might have weakened
his resolve. Personally I am anti death penalty (costs too much, takes too long,
it has been shown that some innocent people have been put on death row, and I
think life w/no chance of ever getting out might be worse then the D.P.) but as
long as it is on the books that punk more then needs it.

G C

but most of all I'm glad that my relatives in that area are now able to exhale.

but since you don't know much about the Marshals, these guys could have been part-time which means in their real jobs they are cops. Yes there are pt US Marshals. In the end Trp Dickson was remembered, it was his cuffs and his car that brought this felon back to the barracks

he saw them coming...

He left a trail so they would find him there, He led them there to be spotted why do you think he didn't have a weapon in the hanger.




The part underlined is bull about him being caught off guard. It was his decision to be caught.









"On Thursday, a team of U.S. marshals assigned to search the Birchwood site spotted Frein walking on an overgrown runway that is now an open field.

"Who knows why he was out walking around," Hanko said. "I fully believe he was caught off-guard.""

Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20141101_Investigator__Frein__fully__expected_capture.html#Vy7sd33yXOxzjAmY.99

taking him by surprise.

Scott Malkowski, who helped make the arrest, said Frein made no attempt to flee and didn't put up a fight.

"He had nowhere to go. There is nothing he could've done," Malkowski said, adding: "From what I saw, he felt defeated because we'd won. We'd defeated him."

The marshals said Frein suffered facial injuries while they had him down on the pavement.


Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20141101_Investigator__Frein__fully__expected_capture.html#HZXOqqY0SvJAkKoq.99

Last I knew being caught by surprise or sneaked up on, was getting the drop on a person...

On Thursday, a team of U.S. marshals assigned to search the Birchwood site spotted Frein walking on an overgrown runway that is now an open field.

"Who knows why he was out walking around," Hanko said. "I fully believe he was caught off-guard.""


And he made sure he had no weapons on him or even close.

He did that because he figured they wouldn't kill him or it was his best chance of not being killed.

I bet he wasn't sure though, he didn't know if he was walking out of there alive
even without a weapon on him.

Another report said they found some close by




" were weapons found in the hangar but Bivens did not talk about what kind of weapons"

To cops anything is a weapon , if it was a sniper rifle or an assault rifle he would have said it

Frein was trying not to be shot by these guys

As do most Tea Bagger types.

U.S. Marshal's are always U.S. Marshal's, they are not part time, they are always U.S. Marshal's.

Where do you come up with this shit?

they are appointed by the US Marshal and most come from LE ranks commissions are from 1-3 yrs

Don't ever change.

Koala Bears have two penises.

Personally, I wood go with yours over the OP's.

That may add additional details to the case.

Just sayin'

But you're right, that could affect the strategies the prosecution and defense will uterus.

as you egg each other on!

This thread was made for idle guessing and speculumating.

He was brought to court from the barracks where the trooper was killed.

They transported him in an armored vehicle with 3 PSP cars in front and six behind.

He was taken directly to the side of the courthouse and brought in through the side entrance.

After the arraignment, he was taken out through the front of the courthouse, where a podium had already been set up for a press conference.

When they exited, they literally displayed him to the press for a solid minute, while several people shouted "scumbag" at him.

I was standing next to one of the three Pike County Commissioners, a republican btw, who literally started cursing under his breath and said "What the fuck are they doing? Some nut can take a shot at him."

This is in a heavily republican, heavily wooded hunting and gun paradise. Last year a man shot a town supervisor at an open meeting in the next county over some grievance. That man is presently in the Monroe County jail on capital charges.

After a minute, the PSP then took him back around to the side of the courthouse where he had arrived, placed him in a car and left.

I was reminded of Jack Ruby.

You're right. It was good federal agents got him.

He made sure there were no weapons present , made himself seen and just wanted to be caught but also
had it in his mind no matter what he might not make it out of there alive.

He came to grips with that also.

I don't think he would have walked away if the troopers were the only ones there.

Reminds me of the Dorner killing in CA where it was either burn to death or end your own life. Dorner wasn't getting out of that cabin no matter what .

luckily the hanger was made entirely of metal or the plan might have changed.