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bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 02:56 PM Nov 2014

Does the CIA want Republicans to win the midterms? (Trevor Timm 11-1-14 Guardian)

If it's hard to imagine an intelligence committee chair less inclined to provide the spy agency with any oversight, just Google "Richard Burr"

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/01/does-the-cia-want-republicans-to-win-the-midterms

Yep, we've had increasing criminal domestic operations in the 21st century. What do you think?

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Does the CIA want Republicans to win the midterms? (Trevor Timm 11-1-14 Guardian) (Original Post) bobthedrummer Nov 2014 OP
Interesting to say the least. Wellstone ruled Nov 2014 #1
Payback and blowback from the total lack of accountability except for "rituals" imo, Wellstone ruled bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #3
How Obama's destabilizing the world (Nick Turse 9-19-11 Salon article) bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #2
Does the artificial heart guy still visit/stop in every day or so? Frustratedlady Nov 2014 #4
Yep, and his lovely daughter Elizabeth has a perfume that is not very subtle either Frustatedlady. bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #5
Richard Mauze Burr (Wikipedia page) OMG! bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #6
Kick n/t bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #7
CIA birthed 'Agents for Bush' in 1980. Octafish Nov 2014 #8
once a cia head ala bush1 became president, all bets were off spanone Nov 2014 #9
Wouldn't surprise me. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #10
NSA spied on Sen. Frank Church in 1976. Octafish Nov 2014 #11
Richard Burr G_j Nov 2014 #12
Early votes here in Gauleiter WALKER's Wisconsin are being reported as record breaking-kick n/t bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #13
I would say yes they do. That would mean less oversight. Rex Nov 2014 #14
A James Jesus Angleton/David Howell Petraeus election day kick-I voted today. n/t bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #15
Inquiry by C.I.A. Affirms It Spied on Senate Panel Octafish Nov 2014 #16
If you thought Sen Joe McCarthy's subpoenas and investigations were history, Sir, just wait for Sen. bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #17
SWOT analysis. Octafish Nov 2014 #18
The CIA's Plan to Destroy its Email Records, Judge Scolds Govt. for Redacting Portions of bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #19
 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
1. Interesting to say the least.
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 03:15 PM
Nov 2014

Possible,there are a lot of stories coming out of the NSA and the CIA as to their messing with elections. Obama has been pushing back at these Neo-Con agencies and this could be payback.

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
3. Payback and blowback from the total lack of accountability except for "rituals" imo, Wellstone ruled
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 03:18 PM
Nov 2014

corrected spelling on edit.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
4. Does the artificial heart guy still visit/stop in every day or so?
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 03:27 PM
Nov 2014

So many things that have been popping up, of late, have his odor all over them. I always worry when he's quiet.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
8. CIA birthed 'Agents for Bush' in 1980.
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 04:42 PM
Nov 2014

Last edited Mon Nov 3, 2014, 10:02 PM - Edit history (1)

Agents for Bush

The 1980 Campaign

by Bob Callahan
Covert Action Information Bulletin

George Bush owed his recent political fortune to several old CIA friends, chiefly Ray Cline, who had helped to rally the intelligence community … and started … "Agents for Bush."

Bill Peterson of the Washington Post wrote in a March 1, 1980 article, "Simply put, no presidential campaign in recent memory – perhaps ever – has attracted as much support from the intelligence community as (has) the campaign of former CIA director George Bush."

George Bush’s CIA campaign staff included Cline, CIA Chief of Station in Taiwan from 1958 to 1962; Lt. Gen. Salm V. Wilson and Lt. Gen. Harold A. Aaron, both former Directors of the Defense Intelligence Agency. Also included were retired Gen. Richard Stillwell, once the CIA’s Chief of Covert Operations for the Far East, and at least 25 other retired Company directors, deputy directors and, or, agents.

… Angelo Codevilla, informed a congressional committee that was "aware that active duty agents of the CIA worked for the George Bush primary election campaign.

… Ray Cline claimed that he had been promoting the pro-CIA agenda that Bush had embraced for years, and that he had found the post Church-hearings criticism had died down some time ago. "I found there was a tremendous constituency for the CIA when everyone in Washington was still urinating all over it," Cline said. … "It’s panned out almost too good to be true. The country is waking up just in time for George’s candidacy. …

In July 1979 George Bush and Ray Cline attended a conference in Jerusalem. … (with) leaders of Israel, Great Britain and the United States. … The Jerusalem Conference on International Terrorism was hosted by the Israeli government and … most of Israel’s top intelligence officers … were in attendance. …

… The Israelis were angry with Carter because his administration had recently released its annual report on human rights wherein the Israeli government was taken to task for abusing the rights of the Palestinian people on the West Bank and Gaza Strip. …

The Republican delegation was led by George Bush. It included Ray Cline and Major Gen. George Keegan (former USAF intelligence chief) and Harvard professor Richard Pipes.


Looking for a mobilizing issue to counter the Carter-era themes of détente and human rights, the Bush people began to explore the political benefits of embracing the terrorism/anti-terrorism theme.

… Ray Cline developed the theme that terror was not a random response. … but rather an instrument of East bloc policy adopted after 1969 when the KGB persuaded the Politburo of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union to accept the PLO as a major political instrument in the Mideast and to subsidize its terrorist policies by freely giving money, training, arms and coordinated communications. …

… Within days after the conference the new propaganda war began in earnest. On July 11, 1979, the International Herald Tribune featured a lead editorial entitled "The Issue is Terrorism," which quoted directly from conference speeches. …

SOURCE: Covert Action Information Bulletin No.33(Winter 1990) "The Bush Issue"

http://mediamayhem.blogspot.com/2004_04_11_archive.html
 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
10. Wouldn't surprise me.
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 04:46 PM
Nov 2014

It's also likely that Obama has been under constant threat from them that, if he actually fought for the program he was elected on, the Company would "Allende" him.

Don't put it past them for a minute.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
11. NSA spied on Sen. Frank Church in 1976.
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 10:35 AM
Nov 2014

Frank Church was a patriot, a hero and a statesman, truly a great American.

The guy also led the last real investigation of CIA, NSA and FBI. When it came to NSA Tech circa 1975, he definitely knew what he was talking about:

“That capability at any time could be turned around on the American people and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn’t matter. There would be no place to hide. If this government ever became a tyranny, if a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back, because the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to the government, no matter how privately it was done, is within the reach of the government to know. Such is the capability of this technology.

I don’t want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capability that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.”

-- Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) FDR New Deal, Liberal, Progressive, World War II combat veteran. A brave man, the NSA was turned on him. Coincidentally, he narrowly lost re-election a few years later.


And what happened to Church, for his trouble to preserve Democracy:

In 1980, Church will lose re-election to the Senate in part because of accusations of his committee’s responsibility for Welch’s death by his Republican opponent, Jim McClure.

SOURCE: http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=frank_church_1


From GWU's National Security Archives:



"Disreputable if Not Outright Illegal": The National Security Agency versus Martin Luther King, Muhammad Ali, Art Buchwald, Frank Church, et al.

Newly Declassified History Divulges Names of Prominent Americans Targeted by NSA during Vietnam Era

Declassification Decision by Interagency Panel Releases New Information on the Berlin Crisis, the Cuban Missile Crisis, and the Panama Canal Negotiations


National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 441
Posted – September 25, 2013
Originally Posted - November 14, 2008
Edited by Matthew M. Aid and William Burr

Washington, D.C., September 25, 2013 – During the height of the Vietnam War protest movements in the late 1960s and early 1970s, the National Security Agency tapped the overseas communications of selected prominent Americans, most of whom were critics of the war, according to a recently declassified NSA history. For years those names on the NSA's watch list were secret, but thanks to the decision of an interagency panel, in response to an appeal by the National Security Archive, the NSA has released them for the first time. The names of the NSA's targets are eye-popping. Civil rights leaders Dr. Martin Luther King and Whitney Young were on the watch list, as were the boxer Muhammad Ali, New York Times journalist Tom Wicker, and veteran Washington Post humor columnist Art Buchwald. Also startling is that the NSA was tasked with monitoring the overseas telephone calls and cable traffic of two prominent members of Congress, Senators Frank Church (D-Idaho) and Howard Baker (R-Tennessee).

SNIP...

Another NSA target was Senator Frank Church, who started out as a moderate Vietnam War critic. A member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee even before the Tonkin Gulf incident, Church worried about U.S. intervention in a "political war" that was militarily unwinnable. While Church voted for the Tonkin Gulf resolution, he later saw his vote as a grave error. In 1965, as Lyndon Johnson made decisions to escalate the war, Church argued that the United States was doing "too much," criticisms that one White House official said were "irresponsible." Church had been one of Johnson's Senate allies but the President was angry with Church and other Senate critics and later suggested that they were under Moscow's influence because of their meetings with Soviet diplomats. In the fall of 1967, Johnson declared that "the major threat we have is from the doves" and ordered FBI security checks on "individuals who wrote letters and telegrams critical of a speech he had recently delivered." In that political climate, it is not surprising that some government officials eventually nominated Church for the watch list.[10]

SOURCE: http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB441/



I wonder if Sen. Richard Schweiker (R-CT), a liberal Republican, also got the treatment from NSA?

“I think that the report, to those who have studied it closely, has collapsed like a house of cards, and I think the people who read it in the long run future will see that. I frankly believe that we have shown that the [investigation of the] John F. Kennedy assassination was snuffed out before it even began, and that the fatal mistake the Warren Commission made was not to use its own investigators, but instead to rely on the CIA and FBI personnel, which played directly into the hands of senior intelligence officials who directed the cover-up.” — Senator Richard Schweiker on “Face the Nation” in 1976.

Lost to History NOT
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
14. I would say yes they do. That would mean less oversight.
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 06:42 PM
Nov 2014

The CIA is out of control, yet strangely gets defenders here...even when they get caught lying to Congress or spying on Congress.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
16. Inquiry by C.I.A. Affirms It Spied on Senate Panel
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 04:29 PM
Nov 2014

By MARK MAZZETTI and CARL HULSE
The New York Times, JULY 31, 2014

WASHINGTON — An internal investigation by the C.I.A. has found that its officers penetrated a computer network used by the Senate Intelligence Committee in preparing its damning report on the C.I.A.’s detention and interrogation program.

The report by the agency’s inspector general also found that C.I.A. officers read the emails of the Senate investigators and sent a criminal referral to the Justice Department based on false information, according to a summary of findings made public on Thursday. One official with knowledge of the report’s conclusions said the investigation also discovered that the officers created a false online identity to gain access on more than one occasion to computers used by the committee staff.

The inspector general’s account of how the C.I.A. secretly monitored a congressional committee charged with supervising its activities touched off angry criticism from members of the Senate and amounted to vindication for Senator Dianne Feinstein of California, the committee’s Democratic chairwoman, who excoriated the C.I.A. in March when the agency’s monitoring of committee investigators became public.

A statement issued Thursday morning by a C.I.A. spokesman said that John O. Brennan, the agency’s director, had apologized to Ms. Feinstein and the committee’s ranking Republican, Senator Saxby Chambliss of Georgia, and would set up an internal accountability board to review the issue. The statement said that the board, which will be led by a former Democratic senator, Evan Bayh of Indiana, could recommend “potential disciplinary measures” and “steps to address systemic issues.”

But anger among lawmakers grew throughout the day. Leaving a nearly three-hour briefing about the report in a Senate conference room, members of both parties called for the C.I.A. officers to be held accountable, and some said they had lost confidence in Mr. Brennan’s leadership. “This is a serious situation and there are serious violations,” said Mr. Chambliss, generally a staunch ally of the intelligence community. He called for the C.I.A. employees to be “dealt with very harshly.”

CONTINUED...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/01/world/senate-intelligence-commitee-cia-interrogation-report.html?_r=0

Harshly. As if.

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
17. If you thought Sen Joe McCarthy's subpoenas and investigations were history, Sir, just wait for Sen.
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 05:34 PM
Nov 2014

Ron Johnson when he takes command of the Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee!

Exclusive: Johnson discusses plans as oversight chair (11-5-14 Donovan Slack/Gannett)
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/politics/2014/11/05/senates-new-lead-investigator-ron-johnson/18529935

In combination with Burr, well, I "dare call it treason" yet there must be some extremely happy people in The Agency and the natsec community today just as there many depressed citizens. Interesting that another critic of the natsec community, Udall, lost his race too.

Look out for Johnson and his posse though!!!

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
18. SWOT analysis.
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 06:26 PM
Nov 2014

Plastics and the guy's been to business school. The bricks at the back of the theater are showing. Sen. Ron might see that if he applied OAR: Observe - Analyze - Report, which is what they teach you in business school second year.

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
19. The CIA's Plan to Destroy its Email Records, Judge Scolds Govt. for Redacting Portions of
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 12:45 PM
Nov 2014

Drone Doc Containing "Not a Whit of Classified Material," and Much More (Lauren Harper 11-6-14 Unredacted post)
http://nsarchive.wordpress.com/2014/11/06/the-cias-plan-to-destroy-its-email-records-judge-scolds-govt-for-redacting-portions-of-drone-doc-containing-not-a-whit-of-classified-material-and-much-more-frinformsum-1

With all the MASS SURVEILLANCE and illegal DOMESTIC OPERATIONS why would the Agency plan to destroy its email records? I thought that stuff was always available, and only a criminal would want to eliminate it, right?

We don't torture, right? Another post-midterm post about tptb. What do you think, DU? Think elements within the Agency did a wee bit more than cheer on the GOP?

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