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Don't know if this has been posted....WOW!! (Original Post) one_voice Apr 2012 OP
Aww, I don't know what to say. Selfless doesn't even begin to describe what they're volunteering Ecumenist Apr 2012 #1
It is also what happens when a society has an ethic that tblue37 Apr 2012 #2
I want to hug you for handmade34 Apr 2012 #4
When I told my son about this... one_voice Apr 2012 #6
You have a very wise and aware son... Whiskeytide Apr 2012 #8
Thank you! one_voice Apr 2012 #15
Extremely well said......n/t dhill926 Apr 2012 #22
I hope you don't mind Oilwellian Apr 2012 #55
I recced the thread, but that cartoon, I have to tell you, closeupready Apr 2012 #70
I don't mind. In fact, I am honored. Thank you. nt tblue37 Apr 2012 #73
Post of the day. CrispyQ Apr 2012 #56
You speak the truth. nt laundry_queen Apr 2012 #57
yes to wow spanone Apr 2012 #3
An inspiration. silverweb Apr 2012 #5
+1 freshwest Apr 2012 #7
Seconded hamsterjill Apr 2012 #10
Kudos to these Japanese heroes. Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #9
Amazing isn't it ? AsahinaKimi Apr 2012 #63
Wow, I honor you all who are sacrificing. You are true heroes. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2012 #11
Beam this to the top of the Greatest, Scotty! longship Apr 2012 #12
Wow. That is beautiful and inspiring. hifiguy Apr 2012 #13
what an inspiring example of what being a connected human being is about. niyad Apr 2012 #14
very inspiring and amazing nt steve2470 Apr 2012 #16
As of last fall, the government still hadn't decided whether to take the retirees up on their offer. Brickbat Apr 2012 #17
The difference between a "we" society and a "me" society. MrSlayer Apr 2012 #18
^I want to associate myself with what he said^ OmahaBlueDog Apr 2012 #26
I want to hug the OP and everyone else here... OneGrassRoot Apr 2012 #19
Thank you for sharing this siligut Apr 2012 #20
K&R...n/t Paka Apr 2012 #21
Wow is right. Unbelievable. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #23
re: Don't know if this has been posted....WOW!! allan01 Apr 2012 #24
re: Don't know if this has been posted....WOW!! allan01 Apr 2012 #25
. chknltl Apr 2012 #27
But in the USA Oldboldandresolved Apr 2012 #28
Amazing. Tears in my eyes and a lump in my throat for the bravery of those heroic elders. n/t beac Apr 2012 #29
wow. That just humbled me. I just stopped in my tracks. robinlynne Apr 2012 #30
That is amazing, and humbling, that is for sure. Lifelong Protester Apr 2012 #31
Wonderful malaise Apr 2012 #32
Buddhism teaches the concept of Dependent Origination BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2012 #33
Shinto and Buddhism actually AsahinaKimi Apr 2012 #65
true! I don't know anything about Shinto BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2012 #71
If you are interested In Shinto AsahinaKimi Apr 2012 #72
agree lunasun Apr 2012 #66
Japan has a national holiday called Respect for the Aged Day FlaGatorJD Apr 2012 #34
Thank you for posting! YoungDemCA Apr 2012 #35
This is very Japanese. McCamy Taylor Apr 2012 #36
I can't see too many American senior citizens doing this. AnnieBW Apr 2012 #37
Well, that is because of a difference in philosophy... Liber-AL Apr 2012 #41
Yes, though the sacrifice is relatively small. enki23 Apr 2012 #38
Perhaps we should consider that line of thinking for Liber-AL Apr 2012 #43
Heroes all. n/t DLevine Apr 2012 #39
Tis logical... MrMickeysMom Apr 2012 #40
No way. It is PURE Spock. 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2012 #44
that's what I thought of too hfojvt Apr 2012 #62
The Japanese are communitarian and selfless. Odin2005 Apr 2012 #42
Wow. Control-Z Apr 2012 #45
The heroes are volunteering to protect their children, grandchildren and avebury Apr 2012 #46
it doesnt hurt that they have universal health care either tech_smythe Apr 2012 #47
Their actions in WWII Plucketeer Apr 2012 #58
well the Doolittle raid was expected to be a suicide mission hfojvt Apr 2012 #64
my sentiment exactly nt magical thyme Apr 2012 #48
very cool lovemydog Apr 2012 #49
IMHO..... AnneD Apr 2012 #50
money marshall gaines Apr 2012 #53
Wow... chervilant Apr 2012 #51
For all you GOP "Christians" out there: THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF CHRIST-LIKE tk2kewl Apr 2012 #52
And you never see the multitudes of Christian conservatives that would avebury Apr 2012 #54
Most likely these elderly are not Christians!!!! lunasun Apr 2012 #67
they may not be Christians tk2kewl Apr 2012 #68
These people are the true heroes of the world Warpy Apr 2012 #59
Bless them all Blue Owl Apr 2012 #60
k&r Liberal_in_LA Apr 2012 #61
Frankly I think they're going to have to resort ... Ganja Ninja Apr 2012 #69

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
1. Aww, I don't know what to say. Selfless doesn't even begin to describe what they're volunteering
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 05:21 PM
Apr 2012

to do. Chances are, the radiation levels are so high that if they survive, they could very easily come down with a leukaemia or some other myelogenous cancer. They are beyond brave and loving because Fukushima poses a threat to the world in the worst case scenario.

A Du'er with nuclear know how and experience explained it VERY clearly and succinctly what would happen is the worse would happen.

tblue37

(65,483 posts)
2. It is also what happens when a society has an ethic that
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 05:22 PM
Apr 2012

acknowledges that the indiividual doesn't exist as an isolate in a vaccuum, but as an integral part of a social network, and that there are not just ties, but mutual obligations within that social network.

Our society's commitment to its version of "individualism" rejects the very idea of mutual support within society. (Remember the horror that greeted Hillary's It Takes a Village book, named after the African proverb that it itakes a village to raise a child?)

No doubt part of the weakness of our citizens' sense of mutuality is caused at least partly by the fact that our society is so diverse and multicultural, but it is also caused by relentless propaganda that drums into people the notion that everyone is--and should be--on his or her own.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
6. When I told my son about this...
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 05:30 PM
Apr 2012

he said, yeah, here we would send poor people; young and old. They are disposal, in our society. I didn't know what to say....cuz he's right. :shaking head:

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
55. I hope you don't mind
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 10:38 AM
Apr 2012

I used your post as the intro to my sharing this on Facebook. It reflects my thoughts, exactly. Very well said.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
5. An inspiration.
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 05:29 PM
Apr 2012

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]All of them. Deserving of honor and thanks from a grateful nation and a grateful world.

AsahinaKimi

(20,776 posts)
63. Amazing isn't it ?
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 02:56 PM
Apr 2012

This is the true spirit of the Samurai.. to serve, even if it means to the death.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
13. Wow. That is beautiful and inspiring.
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 05:44 PM
Apr 2012

Gives me some hope for humanity. There is a lot to be said for Japanese culture and social solidarity.

niyad

(113,546 posts)
14. what an inspiring example of what being a connected human being is about.
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 05:44 PM
Apr 2012

DO YOU GET IT, you selfish, self-absorbed repukes?????

would any of YOU older ones do the same for US (see, this is what happens when you don't have enough coffee)

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
19. I want to hug the OP and everyone else here...
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 06:22 PM
Apr 2012

and these wonderful souls.

I echo all the wonderful sentiments above.

I am sooooo sharing this.



K&R

allan01

(1,950 posts)
25. re: Don't know if this has been posted....WOW!!
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 07:11 PM
Apr 2012

where are the tepco excecs ? shouldnt they be doing this?

chknltl

(10,558 posts)
27. .
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 07:35 PM
Apr 2012











(above is my moment of silence honoring these members of the human race who willingly give the ultimate sacrifice in defense of all who remain and all who have yet to come.)

This lesson will be the most powerful example used in my struggle against the fools who would sell us all out for nuclear power.
28. But in the USA
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 07:50 PM
Apr 2012

For this to happen in the USA the Republicans first would make sure the company doing the work was privatized, then they would charge the old people doing the work for receiving radiation treatments.

Lifelong Protester

(8,421 posts)
31. That is amazing, and humbling, that is for sure.
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 08:05 PM
Apr 2012

I had not heard this before, so I thank you for posting this story.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
33. Buddhism teaches the concept of Dependent Origination
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 08:22 PM
Apr 2012

or that we are all dependent on each other. To put it more eloquently,

In Buddhist terms, the great universe and the self—the great macrocosm and the microcosm—are one. Since the self and all phenomena are one, all things are interrelated. Termed dependent origination, this teaching explains that all things weave a single whole in which individuals live in relation to all others.
In other words, all beings and phenomena exist or occur because of their relationship with other beings and phenomena, and nothing in either the human or the nonhuman world exists in isolation. All things are mutually related to and interdependent with all other things. They all form a great cosmos maintaining the rhythms of life. http://www.sgi-usa.org/encouragement/dbd.php?m=8&d=4&y=2000


It's interesting to me, that this awe inspiring selflessness and unimaginable courage, is being demonstrated by ordinary people! Not Clergy, not professional religionists, not monks living in an isolated monastery, not brainwashed cultists. It makes sense that this is happening in a culture that is not Christian, but largely Buddhist.

AsahinaKimi

(20,776 posts)
65. Shinto and Buddhism actually
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 03:01 PM
Apr 2012

The concepts of Shinto, Japan's oldest religion is still alive today. While many may not believe in kami, some still do. The soul of the Samurai came from Shinto teachings.. Bushido is a Shinto concept. These men, who take on this task are true Samurai ..and hold up
Bushido in their hearts, even if it means to the death.

The word "Samurai" in Japanese means "to serve".

These men all, are true Samurai. To them I say.. BANZAI!!!

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
71. true! I don't know anything about Shinto
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 09:32 PM
Apr 2012

so I figured I better avoid saying anything

I need to surf around the web and learn something

Ooo, I missed that...were they only men making this vow?

Anyway, yes they are truly serving ...the World!!

 

Liber-AL

(71 posts)
41. Well, that is because of a difference in philosophy...
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 10:23 PM
Apr 2012

Tales of fire, hell and brimstone breeds fear of death. These things are inculcated into Western folk at an early age. Even when some of us become agnostic or atheistic in our views, there is still lingering fear that what we are taught just might be true.

Buddhists are not weighed down by fear of eternal hell, rapacious demons and a vengeful god. Like Christ, they believe they are coming back in some kind of Karmic cycle.

It is far easier to face the prospect of death when you are buddhist or something akin to it.

Nevertheless, I wish to join in the praise for these unselfish heroes/heroines. And lest we all forget, those brave soldiers who forfeited their lives in battle for our sake, or those among us who risked their lives, are just as worthy of praise.

enki23

(7,790 posts)
38. Yes, though the sacrifice is relatively small.
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 09:43 PM
Apr 2012

A younger person would run the risk of giving up many years of their life. For an older person, that particular part of the risk is much, much smaller. Under those conditions, it would be immoral for them not to do it.

 

Liber-AL

(71 posts)
43. Perhaps we should consider that line of thinking for
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 10:32 PM
Apr 2012

conscripting recruits for our armed forces. There may be SOME merit in that!

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
40. Tis logical...
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 09:51 PM
Apr 2012

Without being Spock. Unbelievable...

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few (or one).

Spock salute to you, Mr. Yamada

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
62. that's what I thought of too
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 02:54 PM
Apr 2012

makes me wonder if the Vulcans were supposed to be the Japanese. I mean, we know that the Klingons are the Russians and the Romulans are the Chinese, and the Federation the USA ...

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
42. The Japanese are communitarian and selfless.
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 10:30 PM
Apr 2012

Compared to the individualistic selfishness of Americans.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
46. The heroes are volunteering to protect their children, grandchildren and
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 07:13 AM
Apr 2012

future generations of Japanese. In the US, the 1% would be looking for the young, elderly and poor to save their butts. I admire what they have volunteered to do but have to admit that, living in the US, I wouldn't do it. Between the 1 %ers, the Tea Party idiots, Republican elitists, and religious fruitcakes, I might consider that, should a similar incident occur, it that it might be natures way of cleaning house. I have started working my way through The Most Important Video You'll Ever See on Youtube.

 

tech_smythe

(190 posts)
47. it doesnt hurt that they have universal health care either
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 07:31 AM
Apr 2012

Japan is often rated at or near the top in THE WORLD for it's health care system.
These old people know that if/when cancer hits them they will be taken care of.
They will also have the option of humane seppuku - most likely OD of morphine now a days.

I used to think of the Japanese as a hive mind, kin of still do, but I have ALWAYS respected their ability to get things done. Not only do the workers have strong work ethics, the COMPANIES REWARD loyal and hard working employees. There are limits to how much the CEO can make vs the lowest employee.

The Japanese are a weird mish mosh of tradition and modern culture. I truly love them for this.
Shinto is a beautiful religion and one with no blood on it's pure white cloak.

We could learn a lot from the Japanese towards improving our own lot here in America.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
58. Their actions in WWII
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 11:09 AM
Apr 2012

were an excellent (but certainly misguided) example of this devotion to their collective good. WHERE would you find young military kids - in OUR country - who would COMPETE to see who gets to dive to his death in an effort to protect their nation's honor??? You have to be RAISED with that kind of respect and responsibility to be able to be this selfless when you're an adult.

AnneD

(15,774 posts)
50. IMHO.....
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 08:53 AM
Apr 2012

The executives of TEPCO should honor the sacrifice of these volunteers by committing ritual seppuku in a public place.

Building a nuclear reactor near the coast in an area prone to quakes and tsunamis is a surefire indication that they are worthy of a Darwin award. And the gov officals that lied to the public about the radiation levels should join them.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
51. Wow...
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 08:58 AM
Apr 2012

I am stunned by the apparent lack of information about the likely outcome for ANY human being participating in 'clean up' efforts at Fukushima, and exposed to the radiation levels extant at present--likely to worsen if the spent fuel rods stored near the damaged cores are compromised. At present, an exposure of more than a few minutes will result in radiation sickness and certain death within 48 hours. Indeed, the radiation levels are so intense, any electronics in contemporary robot technology would be destroyed within minutes.

The most recent reports indicate that

Spent reactor fuel cannot be simply lifted into the air by a crane as if it were routine cargo. In order to prevent severe radiation exposures, fires and possible explosions, it must be transferred at all times in water and heavily shielded structures into dry casks.. As this has never been done before, the removal of the spent fuel from the pools at the damaged Fukushima-Dai-Ichi reactors will require a major and time-consuming re-construction effort and will be charting in unknown waters.


These brave people are volunteering to participate knowing full well they will not survive the effort.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
54. And you never see the multitudes of Christian conservatives that would
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 10:05 AM
Apr 2012

volunteer themselves to take on a similar task in this country.

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
68. they may not be Christians
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 03:21 PM
Apr 2012

but they are most certainly Christ-like.

and your anger at that suggestion is baffling.

-signed an nonreligious ethical humanist

Warpy

(111,336 posts)
59. These people are the true heroes of the world
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 12:17 PM
Apr 2012

I hope they are being paid well enough to make it worthwhile because most of them will have their lives shortened by the experience. Being able to leave something for children and grandchildren is also the aim along with putting the most sensible population to work on the cleanup. I don't think Mr. Yamada is the only older person to volunteer, I remember reading that many have in order to spare younger people who will be hurt more seriously.

Ganja Ninja

(15,953 posts)
69. Frankly I think they're going to have to resort ...
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 03:27 PM
Apr 2012

to a Kamikaze like effort to get a handle on this disaster.

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