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steve2470

(37,457 posts)
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 05:06 PM Apr 2012

Russian lawmakers target gay ‘propaganda’

(yes that is the original article title)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russian-lawmakers-target-gay-propaganda/2012/04/17/gIQADQAgOT_story.html

ST. PETERSBURG — The anti-Western rhetoric that dominated Russia’s recent elections has a new focus, with gays targeted as symbols of Western permissiveness in a wave of laws being adopted across the country.

Here in St. Petersburg, a city that prides itself as the most European in all Russia, the lawmaker behind a new local ban on gay “propaganda” has said he is defending traditional Russian values against an onslaught from the West. Gay activists — two of whom were the first to go on trial for violations of the law this week — counter that the rules will legitimize homophobic attitudes and aggression even as Europe and the United States move toward acceptance.

St. Petersburg’s parliament was the latest to enact such a law, which imposes fines of up to $17,000 for spreading “propaganda of sodomy, lesbianism, bisexuality or transgenderism among minors,” and the national parliament in recent weeks took up a proposal for a similar measure. In a country where a 2010 poll by the respected Levada Center found that 74 percent of Russians said that gays and lesbians were “morally dissolute or deficient,” advocates for gay rights worry that the laws could spread rapidly.

“The homophobic mood is growing in society, and minorities are getting more and more afraid,” said Igor Kochetkov, the head of Coming Out, a gay rights group in St. Petersburg. This week, he appeared in a cramped courtroom to defend himself against charges that he spread gay propaganda to minors when he unfurled a sign that said “No to crimes against gays and lesbians” on a crowded St. Petersburg street corner.

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Russian lawmakers target gay ‘propaganda’ (Original Post) steve2470 Apr 2012 OP
Ugh LeftishBrit Apr 2012 #1
What else did we expect? AverageJoe90 Apr 2012 #14
How very interesting. Behind the Aegis Apr 2012 #2
Gayness might not be contagious gratuitous Apr 2012 #3
"said he is defending traditional Russian values" LeftofObama Apr 2012 #4
The idea that homosexuality clashes with 'traditional values' is widespread around the world RZM Apr 2012 #7
I wasn't aware of that. LeftofObama Apr 2012 #8
There was a famous incident a few years ago RZM Apr 2012 #10
And reinforced by American Evangelicals targeting Russia n/t FreeState Apr 2012 #9
Do you have a link showing that? RZM Apr 2012 #11
Here you go FreeState Apr 2012 #12
Your link shows the opposite RZM Apr 2012 #13
Actually it shows both - FreeState Apr 2012 #15
Very sad, especially for a city that used to really make a point to be more progressive. Brickbat Apr 2012 #5
russia's done the same thing to Jews for centuries, its slavic custom nt msongs Apr 2012 #6

LeftishBrit

(41,210 posts)
1. Ugh
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 05:08 PM
Apr 2012

And as far as 'moral dissoluteness' is concerned, they should be worrying about the pervasiveness of organized crime, not about teh gay!

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
14. What else did we expect?
Sun Apr 22, 2012, 01:47 PM
Apr 2012

Sadly, I think much of the resurgence of this rightist bullshit in Russia can be blamed at least in part on the fact that Mikhail Gorbachev's hopes of turning Russia into a Swedish-style social democrat state failed miserably thanks to Yeltsin's bungling and the introduction of the policies of the 'Chicago Boys' into Moscow.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
3. Gayness might not be contagious
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 05:34 PM
Apr 2012

But fuckinay if homophobia isn't. Right down to the stupid rhetoric about traditional values. You know what else is "traditionally" Russian?

LeftofObama

(4,243 posts)
4. "said he is defending traditional Russian values"
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 05:35 PM
Apr 2012

Same dog, different leg if you ask me.

Did this ass clown talk to dick sanitorium before he said that?

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
7. The idea that homosexuality clashes with 'traditional values' is widespread around the world
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 07:40 PM
Apr 2012

As is the notion that homosexuality and tolerance thereof are alien ideals foisted by an arrogant West on everybody else - which is exactly what this guy is arguing here.

In the end, it's not always about the American right. It's far, far worse in Russia than it is here. Even somebody like Santorum would only be mildly-to-moderately homophobic by their standards.

LeftofObama

(4,243 posts)
8. I wasn't aware of that.
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 08:20 PM
Apr 2012

Thanks for the info!

When I see words such as liberty, freedom, and traditional values, a red flag goes up.

Those things are fine in and of themselves, but when a politician uses them I fear an ulterior motive.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
10. There was a famous incident a few years ago
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 08:30 PM
Apr 2012

When a gay pride parade in Moscow was attacked by ruffians. Alot of people were beaten, including a member of the German parliament and British entertainer Richard Fairbass of 'Right Said Fred' fame.

But given the homophobia in Russia, it wasn't really surprising. The only surprising thing was that the guy from Right Said Fred is gay

But seriously, it's bad over there. Real bad, as this OP shows.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
11. Do you have a link showing that?
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 08:31 PM
Apr 2012

I'm not saying there hasn't been outreach, but I highly doubt it's very significant to the culture of intolerance over there.

Russians are perfectly capable of being homophobic without help from the US right.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
13. Your link shows the opposite
Sun Apr 22, 2012, 01:05 PM
Apr 2012

Last edited Sun Apr 22, 2012, 05:42 PM - Edit history (1)

It describes how some of their assholes have set up shop here. Not the other way around.

FreeState

(10,580 posts)
15. Actually it shows both -
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:09 PM
Apr 2012

Be sure to read the whole article, Lively is an American

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2007/fall/the-latvian-connection?page=0,1

Nevertheless, The Pink Swastika has become Lively's passport to fame among anti-gay church leaders and their followers in Eastern Europe, as well as Russian-speaking anti-gay activists in America. Lively frequently speaks about the book and his broader anti-gay agenda in churches, police academies and television news studios throughout the former Soviet Union.

Lively credits the popularity of Russian-language translations of The Pink Swastika to the support of Pastor Alexey Ledyaev, the head of the New Generation Church, an evangelical Christian megachurch based in Riga, the capital city of Latvia. New Generation has more than 200 satellite churches spread throughout Eastern Europe, Argentina, Israel and the United States.

"One of my supporters gave him [Ledyaev] a copy of The Pink Swastika. He was very impressed by it," Lively said in a December 2006 radio show on WTTT-AM, based in Boston. "The European press was bashing them [Ledyaev and his church] for being Nazis. He was finally thrilled that he had something to counter the media with." Ledyaev did not respond to E-mails seeking comment.
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