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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA man's right to change diapers is on the ballot in North Dakota?
WOW!
North Dakota measure 6 would "create a presumption that each parent is a fit parent and entitled to be awarded equal parental rights and responsibilities by a court unless there is clear and convincing evidence to the contrary." In plain English: It's one of the first major legislative pushes by the emerging men's rights movement. The proposal, which failed in 2006, has the backing of groups like the National Coalition for Men and a A Voice for Men (which cut an ad in support). The measure had the support of 44 percent of voters in October, short of the 50 percent it needs to pass.
This and other weird initiatives on the ballot today around the nation here: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/11/midterm-elections-bears-booze-cash-weed-congress
Can you catch a bear with a doughnut?
geomon666
(7,512 posts)Maybe in North Dakota?
liberal N proud
(60,346 posts)When our kids were babies, I probably changed as many diapers as my wife did. We were a team.
Who ever smelled it dealt with it.
SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)I really feel for single parents, never having that moment of relief when your spouse can take over for a few...
Recursion
(56,582 posts)pnwmom
(108,995 posts)till the baby is weaned.
(Breastfeeding won't succeed on a day-on, day-off basis, so that's not a good option.)
MineralMan
(146,333 posts)to change diapers.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Would make more sense....
MineralMan
(146,333 posts)Ewwww!
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Of household duties including child rearing...
liberal N proud
(60,346 posts)We have always been a two income household and if I didn't help out, things would have been pretty rough.
I also sat through many a dance class. What is wrong with a father/husband that they don't participate? I guess that some would consider me a wimp.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)MrNJ
(200 posts)As a man I was just as capable as my wife to care for the kids.
I don't see why people like me should be discriminated against.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)"Descriminated against"?
Recursion
(56,582 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)And are you MRA? Because that would explain alot...let us know when YOU can carry a pregnancy to term and then breasfeed....
Recursion
(56,582 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)MRA Sympathizer...or MRA aligned...
Recursion
(56,582 posts)It's kind of funny, really.
MRAs are complete scumbags and I have nothing at all to do with them.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Propaganda...
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Parents have responsibilities, not rights.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)Every parent should have the right to share in rearing his or her children unless proven unfit.
In fact, I would say that parenting ones own children 's one of the highest of human rights.
kcr
(15,320 posts)When men fight for custody they usually get it. In fact, they tend to have an advantage in court.
when men actually WANT custody and fight for it, they win more often than not.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)If only eight percent of father's request custody, how does one rationalize a court bias?
Lancero
(3,015 posts)It's a story my parents told me, happened when I was a baby, but apparently a restaurant worker thought my dad carrying me into the bathroom was mighty suspicious.
Cops walked in on him changing my diaper.
This was a long time ago, so values have changed a lot since then. It's still a issue in other countries, (Mexico's supreme court having recently ruled on a related case) but in the US the idea of a mother always being the superior caretaker is mostly obsolete.
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)dilby
(2,273 posts)Would solve a lot of problems where parents would not have to fight so hard to get access to their children which includes women and men. This just makes by default if parents are splitting they both have 50% custody unless it can be proven that the other parent is unfit.
dawg
(10,624 posts)A person's gender is irrelevant to their ability to be a good parent.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Part...
dawg
(10,624 posts)make excellent parents.
Likewise, there are many women who easily give birth and can breastfeed who turn out to be terrible parents.
Being able to give birth doesn't automatically make someone a better parent.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)dilby
(2,273 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)dilby
(2,273 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)I am guessing cesearian and no breastfeeding. Besides thats an outliar..thats a former woman now a man ..
dilby
(2,273 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)This person was able to give birth....
Your accusation aint working...
dawg
(10,624 posts)Because if that's what you're saying, you are a sexist and you are wrong.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Seeking Serenity
(2,840 posts)And I agree with you.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)A built in alarm system....
Seeking Serenity
(2,840 posts)But I don't think mine leaked over that kind of stimulus when they were (mine leaked most of the time anyway, when I was just sitting around. Bra shield makers made book on me).
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Surely you've read about it...its evolutionary...
jmowreader
(50,563 posts)And to answer your second question: HELL YES you can catch bears with doughnuts - bears love sweets.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)Men often get screwed in child custody cases. If both parents are responsible, it should always be split 50/50 custody.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Child rearing married or not......poor poor putupon men..
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)You know exactly....
Women STILL do most of the household work even when they work full time jobs themselves ...
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)If two parents are divorced and fighting for custody, they probably dont live in the same house and are not sharing household chores.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Women do more for less. Including respect......perhaps if they got some they wouldnt be divorced.
You do realze as well that financially women do worse than their male counterparts after divorce....
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)That can be solved through alimony.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)And if you were a woman and not MRA you would know that...
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)I just dont see a problem with a man getting 50% custody if he is a fit parent.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Ike voter fraud...
MattBaggins
(7,905 posts)HEY PARENTS. It's not about you. The courts should have ONLY ONE CONCERN; the welfare of the children.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)Provided both the parents are responsible.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Its the fathers choice not the mothers...
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)of breastfeeding because the father wants equal time?
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)to assume that it is in their best interest to have both parents in their lives, unless one parent is proven unfit.
Furthermore, I think it is a HUMAN RIGHT to share in the parenting of one's own children. If that is not a fundamental right, I'm not sure what is.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Men often get screwed in child custody cases..."
Only eight percent of fathers request custody. (Child Custody Evaluation- New Theoretical Applications by Daniel Hynan)
Easy to get screwed when you put your head in the sand-- or stick to the same, unsupported, unsourced, bumper-sticker myths whenever the conversation comes up.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I could get behind that. Otherwise they are trying to legislate a fait accompli.
bullwinkle428
(20,631 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)But not a diaper. Some guy thought this up so if it fails, he can tell his wife 'Sorry, law says I can't change em.'
dilby
(2,273 posts)of divorce or separation.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)This could get ugly...
dilby
(2,273 posts)Sometimes it's the pregnant girlfriend who doesn't want to marry the man. If she/he does not want to marry the other it does not excuse their responsibility of being a parent.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Tried to stop his ex-fling from leaving the state because she was pregnant with his child; if I recall correctly, she moved to New York for school, but he wanted child custody done in California, but if the mom had residence in New York, and the baby was born there, then...big mess.
If this bill (which I know nothing about) is supposed to say that newborns should be 50/50 custody regardless of the marital status of the parents, this is going to get ugly fast because a) hormones and breast feeding, and b) other women dating baby daddy's developing emotional bonds with young children is a recipe for new mommy's going crazy during a time when they are biologically programmed to protect their offspring (and truthfully, the same can be said of baby-momma's boyfriends - sigh).
So I am going with "ugly" because yes, this type of stuff gets ugly...
dilby
(2,273 posts)But I have seen many cases where wealthy fathers threaten ex-wives with getting sole custody of children then go to the courts knowing the mother could not afford it. This would eliminate those instances where a woman loses her children solely based on not being able to have the finances to fight it.
A Little Weird
(1,754 posts)It was the Olympic skiier Bode Miller. I never heard how it turned out in the end.
Initech
(100,104 posts)Fuck that shit.