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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBrad Blog is Ablaze With GOP Election Fraud Red Flags
Just Sayin' ... where there's this much smoke, there's bound
to be a little fire somewhere.
http://www.bradblog.com
This much is clear: we have been well-played. Shame on us.
The M$M lead-up ad nauseum about some "inevitable" GOP US
Senate take-over, did effectively lay groundwork for a smooth
as silk faux "electoral" coup, including MSNBC's "Democratic coverage".
Big missing piece = absolutely NO .. ZERO .. coverage ANYwhere about
ANY issues or problems voters have had in casting their vote.
We would probably never even learn about this if it weren't for Brad Blog, et. al.
doing the heavy lifting to document the multiple issues cited there.
Hats off to Brad Blog
Thanks for this very important post. I'll be back to check in on it.
Segami
(14,923 posts)JEB
(4,748 posts)K&R
True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)We need an answer whether the problems add up to any illegitimate results in particular races, and also whether any illegitimate races add up to the Senate flip being fraudulent.
If we find that even with the usual slate of problems and tricks, that Republicans won, then we can talk about how we failed. But given everything we've seen leading up to this vote - the Jim Crow 2 laws, and the lawless Supreme Court decision arbitrarily allowing them to proceed - this is a citizens' criminal investigation until proven otherwise, as far as I'm concerned.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Independent_Liberal
(4,108 posts)An investigation is needed. Cliff Arnebeck has been going after these election fraud cases since Stolen 04. He's on DU right? I'd like to know if any of the irregularities this time around could throw the whole thing into doubt.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)so they could control the voting mechanisms in 2016 (when he of course thinks he will be running). Check out that article if nothing else. Kind of explains a lot, doesn't it?
Sam
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts).. or should I say "buying America"?
... right under our noses.
pa28
(6,145 posts)Fraud and manipulation did not change the overall results tonight but suppression certainly helped them and the issue is still very real. They stole Ohio in 2004 and they will do it again given the chance.
Thanks again Brad.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)...whether GOP election fraud (in all its forms) made the difference or not. Not really.
This is because we don't even know the full extent of the chicanery & buggery
that is going on. But we DO know it's going on, and that many Democrats would rather look the
other way than make a fuss about it.
villager
(26,001 posts)...and our country.
No reason to imagine they're going to start "making a fuss" now.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)2naSalit
(86,775 posts)Thank you.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)Arkansas Times' Max Brantley reports tonight there are "Voter suppression reports from all over," including a "steady stream of complaints...from voters who say election officials around Arkansas demanded a photo ID before they could vote today."
"The law requires election officials to ask your identity --- name, age address. But they may NOT require a photo ID. That's unconstitutional," he writes.
In fact, the Arkansas GOP's Photo ID voting restriction law was struck down by the state Supreme Court after it was found in violation of the state constitution's right to vote provisions in October.
Brantley writes that, nonetheless, "reports come in that high-handed officials are requiring the photo ID and performing checks of driver licenses against voter books, which also is not allowed. This is not universal at all polls. Some have gotten the word"...
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I haven't poked-through most of the articles there yet. I was just struck how many (like nearly ALL) of the articles were about GOP instigated election fraud in nearly real-time.
Brad Blog has lots of reputable history and back-ground knowledge about these kinds of issues, and they are a "DU-approved" source. <--big plus
Dems need to always remember how many ways there are for the GOP to cheat.
1) onerous voter ID requirements (see Texas)
2) "Official" misinformation about polling place location, date of election
etc. distributed to deliberately mislead Democratic voters.
3) unbearably long-lines in heavily Democratic precincts
4) "running out of" ballots in ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
5) hacking electronic-voting machines (as needed to "close the deal" in swing states
6) Etc. etc. (what did i miss?)
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)6) "losing" registration records
7) taking machines off line for "maintenance"
People find it hard to believe that all this routinely happens (and more). But it does.
murielm99
(30,761 posts)of Brad's posts here in the next few days. He is always informative.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Brad is on the "DU approved" list on left side of home page.
For that I am grateful.
Some on DU would have Dems 'look the other way' on GOP
election fraud issues.
I sincerely hope we can discuss this openly on DU, yet am
not sure how that's going to play out.
cali
(114,904 posts)the MSM, the miasma of fear, CU, voter suppression and on and on. No election fraud was needed- the repubs did it all within the corrupt system. and that's even more disturbing in many ways.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)There is verifiable evidence for at least these forms of election buggering by GOP:
1) onerous voter ID requirements (see Texas)
2) "Official" misinformation about polling place location, date of election
etc. distributed to deliberately mislead Democratic voters.
3) unbearably long-lines in heavily Democratic precincts
4) "running out of" ballots in ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
5) taking machines off line for "maintenance"
6) "losing" registration records
7) tracking ^above^ and then (in closing hours) hacking electronic-voting
machines (as needed to "close the deal" in final stretch.
lupojohn
(23 posts)the issues are creeping up in the key races. If votes are being flipped in North Carolina, that's one right there. Problems in Georgia could've cost Michelle Nunn a runoff. If this even winds up 53-47, those two could've made the difference in giving Democrats a chance. I just don't trust any of the close Republican victories. We've been through this before.
herding cats
(19,567 posts)We didn't vote. We lost. End of story.
Lather, rinse, repeat to infinity.
Wake up and realize, if we accept the media (yes, even the non mainstream is leading us around by our noses now days. The golden days of the internet are long dead. It's all manipulated.) BS and don't turnout we lose. This applies to every single race, not just the presidential ones.
We did it, we own it. Live with it now. As a party we made our bed and now we have to lie in it. Infested with vermin as it may be, we created the bed which we now have to endure for the next two years. Live with it.
We didn't turnout. We didn't vote. Everything else is just lame excuses. We own this. Speaking collectively, of course.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)While voting irregularities are sure to have happened, not a single race that has been decided will be changed.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)It just doesn't make sense.
Hekate
(90,793 posts)Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)Drop the conspiracy talk and move on and organize.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)pansypoo53219
(20,995 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Yes, shame on us
redruddyred
(1,615 posts)now mitch mcconnell is talking about working working with the prez for once. what an asshole.
this election is the result of a decade's worth of republican obstructionism. they created the narrative, too.
I don't think we really ever got the liberal message across b/c so many people still believe in this trickle-down nonsense. or maybe murdoch and friends are just too good at their propaganda.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)esp. about GOP controlling the narrative, along with the usual suspects, like dark money and the M$M trumpeting every fool thing the GOP would say, like it was Holy Writ.
redruddyred
(1,615 posts)I don't think this is necessarily true, but I don't think people like me are talking loud enough.
people understand R vs D as "jobs" vs "social programs", rather that "bad ideas" vs "good ideas".
BradBlog
(2,938 posts)Lots to do. Much more work tomorrow...
Eternal vigilance.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I'm going to spend much of the day educating myself at BradBlog about WTF happened last night.
Cheers
mercuryblues
(14,537 posts)wrong. I am glad that someone is researching and documenting it. But what good will it do when the DOJ won't look into it? I told my brother last night....Whoever hacks best wins. That is our democracy.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Yes, I'm cautiously hopeful that the new AG might take this on.
David Corn thinks Tom Perez would be a good choice, and he sounds good to me.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025753109
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Or this shit will keep happening. And SHAME on anyone who claims it is a conspiracy or is not important. Stop fucking blaming voters!! So sad that our expectations have been so lowered that we tolerate disenfranchisement...and blame those who are disenfranchised.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)All conspiracies are not equal, because some are totally real and not just imaginary.
It is baffling how snarky some on DU get around this issue, like they don't want to look at it.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)fact: SCOTUS gutted the voting rights act
fact: several states sought to take advantage of the gutting
fact: media was touting a huge republicon win before any votes were cast
fact: republicons won by some very tight margins in some races
conclusion: it is very possible that reoublicons disenfranchised some voters in order to win.
it doesn't seem like a conspiracy theory at all, but quite possibly a real conspiracy.
thanks for all your efforts. i will be paying close attention to this.
J_J_
(1,213 posts)Democrats are playing right into these cheaters hands
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)who just might put an end to this fraudulent GOP chicanery.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025753109
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)absolutely ZERO.