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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWell liberal members of this board - I hope you're happy
We lost last night because of you.
Sure you all voted straight Dem ticket but some of you probably held your nose while doing so. That gesture alone depressed the vote in your precinct by 20-30 votes at least.
Your purity tests left us with awful candidates like Mark Pryor. If you had just listened to the sensible adults in the party we could have had viable, poll tested, centrist winners instead of the likes of lefties like Michelle Nunn and Alison Grimes.
It's time for us to lick our wounds and look ahead to 2016.
Hopefully last night's results will be a big wake up call to the left and they'll get out of the way and let the adults in the party handle the next election.
It's time to get ready for Hillary.
leftstreet
(36,112 posts)GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)That she now will have a congress that agrees with her on so many topics from the start
brush
(53,847 posts)many other candidates followed her lead and lost.
The ones like Al Franken, who campaigned on the ACA and the rest of the administrations accomplishments won.
If her decision making in 2016 continues with running away from the president and dem principles the irony of another Al Gore-like distancing will be almost karmic.
This time the Clintons will be the ones running away from a sitting dem president but the results will be the same.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)When you "Progressives" come up with a candidate that polls beating all Republicans let us know...
This Progressive realist wont hold her breath..
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)To support my contention. Do YOU have anyone that can prove that with evidence?.
Until you can do that she IS our clean up hitter...better get used to it..."Democrat".....or are you just another Indepedent that cannot accept the truth?
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Right....you got diddly-squat...
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)gcomeau
(5,764 posts)Just FYI... but most adults aren't terribly impressed with the lolcats grammar approach to political debate.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)gcomeau
(5,764 posts)If it was your intention to make yourself look like a 12 year old who wandered into the forums that's no skin off my nose. Just felt like commenting on a whim really.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)damn ice melted in my 7up!
SHIT!
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)gcomeau
(5,764 posts)Specifically, your reading comprehension... since I only just shortly before you posted that told you rather clearly I had no concerns regarding your post, only idle observations.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)gcomeau
(5,764 posts)....and are thus unable to recall you already employed that exact same insincere throwaway line to try to show how much you don't care about any criticisms directed against you only a few posts up the thread. Once it was childish, twice it's just sad.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)gcomeau
(5,764 posts)And if so, could anyone arrange to have someone swing by and check them for concussion?
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)gcomeau
(5,764 posts)LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)With thier incessant bellyaching...
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)The circular firing squad made us look like losers and that is why by candidates we lost by issues we won....
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)And you want more of the same.
Again, pardon me if I choose not to participate in the stupid
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Right there is why we lost.....perfect example thanks...
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)Guess I've befuddled the bot.
Go ahead, get the last post.
In the meantime, we'll all clap harder!
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)That too ..
azbillyboy
(56 posts)More of the same? I hear the same happy horsesh!t every time we get our asses kicked. Time to lick our wounds and look to the next election. Why? I have been voting a long effing time and I keep seeing things slide into the toilet. In yesterday's election I didn't even have choices for some of the offices. Unless you consider an R and an L a "choice."
So I am supposed to have multiple spontaneous orgasms over perpetuating another dynasty (Hillary)? A right of center Democrat? I think Mike Malloy and Hartmann are right. It's not bad enough yet. People aren't suffering enough to make them pull their heads out of their asses. Maybe a President Cruz or Paul would do the trick.
How can Democrats be so gd stupid: to run away from their President and what he has managed (despite obstruction) to accomplish? For that matter, why doesn't President Obama go on the offensive? Fireside chat kind talks to the American sheeple? I mean all they hear now is right wing b.s.
Do you really think there's going to be a "wave of blue" washing over the country in 2016? If you believe that, then by all means buy some prime land in South Florida. With Rick "Skeletor" Scott..... It's not going to happen.
I would really love to renounce my citizenship and get the hell out of that fetid, wasting country while I still can. But even that is almost impossible.
Randi Rhodes must be laughing her ass off. I hope for her sake she was able to get out before everything collapses.
I almost feel like becoming a Republican. All I have to do is pull the plug on any progressive sites I visit, sit back and slowly turn into a vegetable. See ?? It's easy.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)We win!
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)Now I wonder why that might be?
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Running far left candidates would not have changed the outcome and YOU know that ..
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)and you want us to do it again. Hmmm, I wonder why?
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)That is just more bullshit and you know that....
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Those have been on the White House youtube channels, websites and iTunes every single week since 2009, and in videos on the above mentioned and Obama friendly sites like TOD, often daily.
Just because it wasn't on MSM, which has been proven to edit out or not at all report but distort, every single word out of this man's mouth for 6 years, is not his fault. He has had an unrelenting travel schedule and gone to every state that would have him, and some where no official would greet or talk to him.
He has talked tough in all those venues, but he's not allowed on MSM. Because we are controlled by that group of media that you mention as 'I mean all they hear now is right wing b.s.' If that is your source, Faux and MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, NPR and every other mealy mouthed media venue, that is what you will think, too.
Many of us realized this POTUS has been under a media blackout for years and even if on CSPAN or other channels for SOTU and other events, they give more time to his detractors than him, speak over and don't allow his voice to be heard. Obama is not a dictator who can order them to cover him lock step every day. That is not going to happen and he should not do that.
The media have chosen, because their owners have, to make sure that he isn't heard. I haven't even gone into what they did to radio with shutting down all progressive voices and cutting them off the air, while continuing to push the rightwingers.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)those running for office and already on the ballot ticket, the failing lefty strategy got us a Domination of Reps...thanks!!
If you don't like the current crop of those making the leap and running for office, your incessant whine about "sameness" is solved by you either running or encouraging a diffent political animal to run for office. Once the ballots are printed, you have your choices before you and it is what it is until the next cycle.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... earlier today include Hillary in his ridicule of the President? You know I am NOT gung-ho on Hillary, but that pissed me off for him to be ugly to PO and then immediately add her name to the mix.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)How is what he said any different than whst you see about alour candidates day after day after day... we look like a bunch of losers....and the Mushy Middle votes for who appears to be the winners ...its that simple
ReRe
(10,597 posts)"He", I assume is Rinse Pubis, and you're saying what he said is no different than what I say about PO and Hillary? I am a Democrat first and foremost, and will defend a Democrat, regardless of whether I agree with everything a particular Democrat says or does. We're ALL Democrats, VR. It's a Party thing. You stick together when elections roll around. And you totally lost me on the "losers" and mushy middle voting for their perception of a "winners."
Omaha Steve
(99,708 posts)IF she is nominated I'll vote for her. She won't be my candidate in the NE Caucus.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,708 posts)Yellow union shirt and black hat. IMPEACH BUsh button on the hat. Large guy with a beard.
Reading info here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x64832
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)and what will happen again, if we do not do a major makeover of the party, and ourselves.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)I see the Usual Suspects are rather quiet today.
belzabubba333
(1,237 posts)thier name"
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Fair weather friends
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)who caved on every issue that is important to Dem voters. Why does OUR party refuse to listen to their voters? Republicans won because they DO listen to their base. When Dems start doing the same, they will get the enthusiasm they had back in 2008, but next time, they will have to prove they intend to fight for the agenda they run on, that a Dem president will appoint a Dem Cabinet, that no Dem will ever put SS within grasp of its Right wing enemies, among other things.
Keep on blaming the voters and keep on losing. Listen to the voters and win.
belzabubba333
(1,237 posts)that should be comforting over the next 2 years
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)They didn't stand for anything, and they lost because of it.
belzabubba333
(1,237 posts)LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)Last edited Wed Nov 5, 2014, 04:34 PM - Edit history (1)
Repubs DIDN'T lose.
Surely you can do better than that
belzabubba333
(1,237 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)And the corollary is also true...
Simply because you like the answer doesn't make it accurate (you could present sourced and objective materials to confirm your premise-- but I don't think that's going to happen)
(insert imaginative rationalization below to validate personal bias masquerading as fact...)
negoldie
(198 posts)are liberals? They couldn't run enough pro coal ads for Grimes, and Nunn is nothing but Republican light. I don't think many of these candidates put enough distance between themselves and their opponents. I'm with you LR2. Weak candidates that don't stand for shit, that's why we lose.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)Grimes spent her time refusing to say who she voted for and running ads shooting things, supporting coal, and proclaiming she wasn't Obama. The voters had the choice between a Republican and one declining to state her party affiliation.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)wanted to get that out of the way as assumptions, such as yours, are part of why more and more voters are angry, note I said 'VOTERS'.
What you SHOULD be doing if you don't want to continue to be in the minority, is to speak to those who DID NOT VOTE and actually find out why they are growing in number with every election. But perhaps you don't mind remaining in the minority because it sure won't bring people to the ballot box to constantly lash out at voters.
It is interesting that you completely ignore the legitimate concerns of millions of Americans, which of course is exactly the REASON why Dems are again in the minority. Who is advising this Party? Is THIS their winning strategy? Attack the people?? Well, it isn't working, is it?
But back to being in the minority. Perhaps you forgot that when Dems WERE in the majority, THANKS TO THE VOTERS, they claimed they could not get anything done because of the MINORITY's 'obstructionism'. I remember asking how on earth the MINORITY could have so much power.
Well, if Republicans could get THEIR way while in the minority so often, perhaps NOW Dems can take a leaf out of their book, and obstruct every wrong decision they try to make. Iow, they, according to the defenders of Dems caving on important issue, were WAY MORE POWERFUL in the minority, no? Isn't that what you told us?? Are you going to change your mind about that now? If not, then why should we worry because for years we've been told that the Minority Wins.
I'm looking forward now to Dems making sure the Right gets none of their agenda passed just as the Right were able to wield so much power when they were in the Minority.
belzabubba333
(1,237 posts)they look forward they didnt prosecute the 2000 election theft by scotus, they didnt when they took the congress, they ignored war crimes by bush. they are ignoring the election fraud and voting fraud by the gop. they did nothing about all of that not even bothering to rail against it when they had camera time.
what they do is work with who ever is in the charge. that how we got some of the justices on scotus. dems should have filibustered every justice bush threw up.but they didnt and you expect that they will now. i dont share you conviction. i believe they will wallow in minority and moan about how the cons wont let them have confrence rooms. they will pass gop friendly bills nominate gop friendly judges all the while saying there's nothing they can do because we're in the minority .
the people will see now that the gop is in charge the gridlock is gone and things are getting done-they wont pay enough attention to it to know the horrors of what is getting done but as the elections show they dont care all they will understand is that government didnt work till the gop took charge.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)to pass. Yep, they listen alright, don't cry because your liberal rights are tossed out as trash before they even get off the table, don't cry because we will not be able to get a jurist on the SC which will be left leaning, don't cry after the 2020 census is made and Republican are in charge and further create gerrymandering where Democrats can not win in elections.
belzabubba333
(1,237 posts)for the census
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)If you think gerrymandering does not matter, take a few minutes and look at the lines Tom Delay created in Texas.
belzabubba333
(1,237 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)party needs to get voted out before 2020, if not then the GOP gets another ten year window. Elections has consequences. Also, the senate will approve the next SC member, where do we stand on that one?
mariawr
(348 posts)Vinca
(50,303 posts)Democrats would probably be surprised at their popularity if they ran as Democrats.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)CaliforniaPeggy
(149,699 posts)Anyone who supports the TPP and the Keystone Pipeline is not a liberal.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Its why Warren supports her
( and this is the bullshit that costed us yesterday..)
Http://ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,699 posts)Anyone who supports passage of those issues is no liberal and she not only supports them, but she backed and promoted them.
Warren is not very liberal either. Remember that both of these people were Republicans once upon a time. Now, they have switched parties.....but they still have some Republican tendencies.
I will not vote for Hillary, whether she is the Democratic candidate or not.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Difference between us .....i have evidence to support me ....mounds and mounds of it.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,699 posts)There are other things wrong with supporting Hillary; I simply chose the two that came immediately to mind.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Not just your pet ones ..
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,699 posts)Since you don't know me at all.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)I have been here long enough ....watching Independents shoot the candidates constantly while in the end hypocritically voting FOR those candidates.
We lost because we were a house divided looking like losers
neverforget
(9,436 posts)Who the hell do you think you are? Arbiter of who is and who isn't a Democrat? Seriously, who put you in charge? Stop being a belligerent ass.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Primary?
If not....it applies to you too...
This is Democratic Underground after all and not "Democrat Punching Underground"
neverforget
(9,436 posts)loyalty oaths to vote for Hillary. We all know that's what you mean when yell "the winner in OUR Primary." That's not how this works. We can support ANY Democrat through the Primary.
And by the way, you're not in charge of Democratic Underground. You don't get to do decide the rules. The owners of this website do.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Its how Democracy works....you cant always get what you want...but if you try some time ...you get what you need..
United we stand divided we fall....for an example see last nights results .
neverforget
(9,436 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)I don't think I've ever seen her post something that would inspire me to vote for a Democratic candidate.
neverforget
(9,436 posts)adirondacker
(2,921 posts)smokey nj
(43,853 posts)smokey nj
(43,853 posts)smokey nj
(43,853 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Because I fear that both will already have been approved and at least started to be implemented. We are in trouble. Hillary won't even be asked about those two issues because it will be passed already.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Is it just because it has a catchy name?
Nobody is bitching about the Tuscarora Lateral Project. How about the LC SESH Expansion Project or the LLC Woodbridge Delivery Lateral?
KEYSTONE LOL....
deutsey
(20,166 posts)MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Personally, I'd rather have an actual liberal running as a liberal. I'm a dreamer. Time to wake up and accept that if we want to beat republicans, we have to become republicans and force them further to the right.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)...i'd like to apologize for leading the party astray.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)I'm sure I cost my precint 20-30 votes at least yesterday just by being liberal
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Vincardog
(20,234 posts)SamKnause
(13,110 posts)I share no blame for the voters who are uniformed or misinformed.
I share no blame for the millions who do not vote.
I share no blame for the Supreme Court ruling that our news does not have to be factual or accurate.
I share no blame for the Supreme Court ruling allowing unlimited campaign contributions.
I will not vote for Hillary.
All branches of government will be under Republican control if Hillary wins the presidency.
No thanks.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)as does Vice President Michele Bachmann.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)I'd rather have Miley Cyrus than those two.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Initech
(100,102 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)SamKnause
(13,110 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Dont let the door hit ya she has the ability to kick repuke ass..
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)before they learn that Dems want Democrats they can vote FOR? Amazing to see that some are still delusional enough to think it was the fault of the voters.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)I'm not sure we should assume that.
The people running the party have their own concerns, their own careers, their own incomes to think about.
If they get paid to raise money whether we win or lose, if they have lots of connections for lobbying-type jobs after they're through here ... well, they have to act disappointed, but how does losing hurt them?
And that's aside from the possibility that some are getting too much corporate money to carry out their duties honestly.
The party may refuse to listen to us forever.
And never regret it.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)What with their trick questions, such as asking Grimes what she stood for and all.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)otohara
(24,135 posts)gives lazy Dem's another reason to do nothing.
If Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnel say we're fucked, they why bother.
I won't be watching MSNBC for a few weeks - I need to detox
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)messages about their strong liberal policies and beliefs...
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)I am an Independent, and yes I voted pretty much a straight Democratic Ticket.
(except for County Council which did not show party affiliation, and I wrote in my name there just because it was asking for 4 people. I voted for 3, wrote in one.)
I do not look for party purity.
I mostly vote against the Republican party at this time.
Their campaign sucked, and let me show you some ways:
1 - Their email campaign was a stinker. When you tick off even your base with your emails, you're just not providing good will.
2 - Motivation was just not there. When Democratic candidates can't be proud of what they have accomplished and instead takes in a further to the right position... That is Idiotic. The idea is to differentiate yourself from the opposition. They are Democrats, not "Republican-lite". It is also one of the reasons I get frustrated with Obama, he took too many positions that alienated those at the left. The Republicans were NEVER going to support any of it any way. Might as well go for what is actually good.
How could we, as supporters fight for them when they back-track on positions that we promote?
3 - Don't rely on just money. One of my biggest gripes on their email campaign was the huge push for just asking money. You know it was only 3 days before the election when they finally showed me volunteering options through email. If I didn't do my own digging, I would never have been able to do any phone calls or canvassing.
I will vote for Clinton if she wins the primaries. During the primaries, I will support whomever I think is best.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)since we can't beat 'em?
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)No one is holding you hostage..
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)What the fuck are you babbling about? What a stupid thing to say!
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zappaman
(20,606 posts)You better get started!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025500037#op
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cyberswede
(26,117 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)polichick
(37,152 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)In fact the only person who ever accused grimes of being a democrat was MConnell. Grimes could have just about ran as a republican.
Puglover
(16,380 posts)shooting a fucking gun and bloviated "I'm not Barack Obama"
Yeah, that' how you win.
Christ on a crutch.
SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)At least his problem was he tried to make it a one issue race.. This is just... I can't believe she actually thought this was a good ad...
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)and wins in a landslide.
I am guessing that Kentucky voters do take their guns and their sports pretty seriously.
Puglover
(16,380 posts)And Al Franken didn't feel the need to pander to that bullshit. I think the deal is, a lot of voters can smell phony no matter who is saying it.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)And that's the Democratic base.
I also know that Obama won Minnesota by 52.6 to 45. Not overwhelming, but a far, far cry from Kentucky where Romney won by 60.5 to 38 or Montana by 56.3 to 42 or Kansas by 59.7 to 38.
You simply do not win in those states by saying loudly "Gobama" and if your opponent tries to tie you to Obama, you'd better abjure it.
Puglover
(16,380 posts)Last edited Thu Nov 6, 2014, 10:35 AM - Edit history (1)
Given the choice between a real Republican and a fake one Republicans will choose the real one every time.
I would offer that with the numbers that you quote a Democrat wouldn't have a whole lot to lose by just being genuine.
Whatever. It's sad and it sucks.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I'm not sure how I'd never seen that ad before. Are you kidding me? Are you fucking KIDDING ME.
F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)This is insanity. Democrats proclaiming themselves to be more Republican than Republicans. We have broad support on every damn issue, and yet not only do we run away from progressive policies, we're actively embracing Republican positions! This ad needs to be shown far and wide to show what we have become.
Puglover
(16,380 posts)Just had a segment about how many progressive policies passed and how all of the Democrats that acted like Democrats won, and how the ConservaDems lost.
(Hey don't shoot me, (not you Scoot) go after Hartmann.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)"I'm a halfpublican! Vote for me!!"
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)So perfect.
world wide wally
(21,754 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)You had me fooled in the headline.
I was all ready to hop in and ask if you really thought playing Cassandra is anything but frustrating... To see the path to stupid, to warn, and warn, and warn, and see people still take the stupid path, and then have them turn around and try to blame the outcome on you...
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)would be so far to the right the rest of us would become physically ill just watching.
You can't blame the tiny niche community of liberals on this board for poor democratic turnout during a midterm election. But you're doing a great job driving that wedge further down the middle of the party. Keep it up.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)alcina
(602 posts)ladyVet
(1,587 posts)You guys want to keep pushing to the right, go ahead. Who you going to come crying to when it truly doesn't matter if the president and congress are R or D?
Want us to leave your precious centrist, Republican ass-kissing party? Guess what? Some of us are. Try to win elections without us.
I'm proud to be a liberal. It was good enough for John Fitzgerald Kennedy, and it's good enough for me.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)my county. Liberals Increased turnout. Oregon legislature picked up a couple more Dem seats and passed cannabis legalization, ERA, Defeated Kochs M90 and GMO labeling is still too close to call.
I'm old, Liberal and I do not accept any blame. I do, however Blame Corp Dems and Corp Leadership. The country pretty much preserved progressive pols, rejected corporate Dems-mostly in Red states already.
still_one
(92,394 posts)she will lose the election, and divide the party even more.
That is Provided she runs and gets the nomination of course.
However, if she focuses on the accomplishments of the Democrats, and the constant obstruction of the republicans, it will serve her and the party much better
Puglover
(16,380 posts)Our Democrats ran as (gasp) Democrats.
And pretty much all of them won.
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Dr. Strange
(25,923 posts)I wrote him in for County Commissioner. He didn't win, though.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Deny and Shred
(1,061 posts)... just about every time I read around here that the party hasn't moved far enough to the right yet.
Apparently, enslavement is 'shucky ducky' because Kang had a D before his name.
Great thread - went right over many of the usual heads, as if the 'strategy' that led to yesterday never happened. Whoosh !!!
The OP sarcasm is Obvious to me, Cap'n.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)If it's not, well ... then, you're just fucking stupid.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)I almost blew a vein.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)I had a sternly worded reply as well but deleted it cause someone said it was sarcasm. By the time the thread grew I was done posting for a while and went back to work. It's exhausting dealing with the 3rd way.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)nt
Rex
(65,616 posts)A YUP!
totodeinhere
(13,059 posts)The Dems lost because the party didn't stand for what the American people need. It lost because it wasn't progressive enough, not the other way around. Take that to the bank.
annabanana
(52,791 posts).. as let the corporate dems stand naked before us....
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)We lost because the Democratic party has become 'halfpublican' and right wing, and thus largely irrelevant. If we want to become relevant again, we must return to our roots.
We controlled both houses of congress for 40 years, between 1954 - 1994. We did so by being the party of the left.
Democrats are not halfpublicans. Democrats are not centrists. Democrats are the left.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)but we lost the Senate in 1980, regained it in 1986, and lost it again in 1994.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)That's what confuses a lot of folks unfamiliar with his posting history
Iggo
(47,565 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)Put her up as the nominee, and watch Republicans take back the White House, resoundingly.*
(* though I will support her if she DOES win the nomination.)
doc03
(35,364 posts)Obama and brought the Clintons in for help. Why didn't they run on the economic recovery like Reagan did? The let the Republicans set the agenda and
never fought back. I think a good part of the blame can go to Obama, he has no backbone.
yellowcanine
(35,701 posts)I don't see how we could have done worse, so maybe next time we go with our strength. The ACA is working, unemployment is down, gas prices are down, Ebola is being held in check, how in the world do we lose a wave election? The Republican noise machine rewrote the reality and we let it happen.
As Harry Truman said, "If it's a choice between a genuine Republican, and a Republican in Democratic clothing, the people will choose the genuine article, every time"
doc03
(35,364 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)It's hopeless. These red states that have Medicaid will have to lose their health care to "maybe" see the light if their illness doesn't kill them first.
world wide wally
(21,754 posts)BlindTiresias
(1,563 posts)I see you are taking the piss, very subtle I have to say.
CrispyQ
(36,509 posts)I cannot believe crap like this on DU.
I'll see your and raise you one
lame54
(35,321 posts)liberal N proud
(60,344 posts)How can you win elections if you don't have a candidate?
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)We were left with a lib and rep to vote for ...or against.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)This is really just a distraction from Benghazi.
Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,588 posts)Maybe the R's outspent? Maybe the R's stole it? Maybe some middle of the roaders sat at home? Seriously, how in the world can you hang this on liberals? I am a politically liberal member of this board. I'm at a loss to make sense of your post.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Everyone seems to know precisely why the Democrats lost. The only problem being, everyone's premises are different. I think I may wait until the studied analysis comes in before I too, pretend to have absolute knowledge and disparage other Democrats based on that pretense.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Well done.
But always be thoughtful of Poe's law, you're scaring the hell out of people!
somebody-else
(14 posts)yellowcanine
(35,701 posts)We got our butts kicked. We need to find ways to get candidates people can support enthusiastically but the way to do that is not to talk about "purity tests" etc. It is to get more people involved in the primary process. How do we do that? Adopting Republican language ("adults in the party" isn't going to do it, that is for sure. Hillary will lose if everyone "gets out of the way" for her. Why do you think Obama won in 2008? Not because everyone got out of the way for him. Having to go head to head with Hillary made him a better candidate and expanded the Democratic electorate in the general election.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)Please try to get it right the next time, OK?
Besides, you're mistaken. It's Ralph Nader's fault. As it was and ever shall be. World without end. Ramen.
dballance
(5,756 posts)Last edited Thu Nov 6, 2014, 02:12 PM - Edit history (1)
I find your OP offensive.
We lost last night because the "liberal" and progressive people didn't trumpet the successes of the Obama administration enough. We lost because the GOP appealed to their old, white base who will actually get off their asses and vote and who have ample voting machines in their white precincts.
Hillary is not my favorite candidate. She's far too hawkish and corporatist.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Considering it was Conservadems who lost.
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Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts)... sarcasm. I'm so spittin' mad I can't differentiate. I'll go remove it before someone climbs down my throat. Damn sure don't need that! Thanks for calling this to my attention.
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)Especially today. Not funny, not helpful, just pathetic.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Lame effort on all counts.
derby378
(30,252 posts)...since you're so unhappy with the Democratic Party. I think we'll choose our own candidates, thankyewverramuch.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,019 posts)lpbk2713
(42,766 posts)And some of us just don't have the time or the inclination to make a study of everyone's idiosyncrasies.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,019 posts)I tend to use sarcasm to relieve the pressure, but am sensitive to understanding it doesn't play well to everyone.
I found that a long dog walk with colorful foliage all around helped immensely. I can't make sense of yesterday, so must let it go for a few days...too depressing and confounding.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)HoosierRadical
(390 posts)I'm in no mood for this.
adieu
(1,009 posts)There are two competing tactics.
One is: we didn't go hard left enough and had pablum for candidates, and there were nothing for liberals or independents to latch onto, so they either stayed away or voted for the more headstrong GOP candidate. So, we should go hard and get some real progressive liberals out there to provide a fresh voice and a fresh choice.
The second is: we must work towards a consensus and support candidates that all members of the Democratic Party can decently rally being. No one is going to be the perfect candidate, so everyone knows that there is something lacking from the chosen candidate, but let's try to unite behind the chosen one regardless.
Either tactic can work, depending on where, who the opponent is, how the local electorate (local at the district to the state level) are with regards to partisanship and fervor.
But for today, we must sift through the destruction and see why some candidates lost and why some candidates won. It's a bit too early to tell, but it will be worthwhile to do some forensics on the election results, do some polling, do some boots on the ground hard questions to determine what were the causes. I doubt there is one or even many countrywide cause(s). I think there are different reasons in different regions. Some just may not be ready for a female leader, no matter what. Some didn't like the milquetoast nature of the candidate, some didn't like the overly partisan liberalness of the candidate. You can't apply the solutions in one state to another. But you can apply the methodology of analysis and reasoning to all cases.
turbinetree
(24,720 posts)You have just succeeded in your rant to keep and place a right wing majority leader (Touche Turtle) presently on the TV gloating that he is willing to fix the senate when he filibustered over 413 bills since 2008 and is trying to lay the blame on the democrats in the senate for the ills of this country and then have him say the issue was not in the house (Congress) of right wing representatives are you an adult and serious in your rant?
I am a left winger, and I am proud of this fact and to have you lay the issue at Grimes ,Nunn, and Pryors defeat at there feet is hypocritical, they are centrist.
You have a right wing Sec. of State in Georgia conveniently miss place over 40,000 voter registrations and you say move on
We have no purity tests like the right wing republicans and to insinuate that kind rant is disdain for this party and ideals of equality
You have in this country as we speak a continued push to deny the right to vote, 600,000 in Texas, 300,000 in Wisconsin, 250,000 in Ohio are just examples in over 27 states.
The right to privacy on health issues
You have right wing U.S. Supreme Court denying people (human beings) the right to vote and you say move on---- really, when all people those same people of ethic color and back ground have died for this right.
How would you feel if you were denied this right please tell us all how it would feel.
Centrist, and the Third way for less have gotten us into this mess if the first place.
You say we should lick our wounds really and you say we should move on to Hillary, maybe you should read a book about Francis Perkins before you come on this blog and tells us what a lefty is and who to consider,
She was and is a heroine of mine, that is what we need in this party and not some centrists:
deurbano
(2,895 posts)LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)would tip people off. But as Manny said, Poe's Law. There are actually people here they would post this sort of thing completely straight faced.
deurbano
(2,895 posts)jonjensen
(168 posts)get behind mrs clinton as elizabeth warren has done for 2016 and president obama should do amnesty right now what his he waiting for ???????????????
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)Just Say No To Pantsuits!
okieinpain
(9,397 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)I can't tell anymore with all damn trolls.
damnedifIknow
(3,183 posts)Liberals are way cool in my book.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)But I think its total BS blaming the left/actual democrats for last nights Third way/rethug lite debacle!
Go back to freakrepublic OP, they miss you!
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)*edit*
Dammitalltohell!
Poe' Law strikes again.
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)Absolutely absurd! I worked very, very, hard to GOTV here in FL and actually tapped in to a lot of younger voters, Repukes who said they couldn't stand Rick Scott! I KNOW they didn't vote for him, but I do believe something may have been tampered with down here!
Call it bad loser, whatever... but IT WAS PROVEN that Bush DID NOT win in 2000! And I'm a Liberal and constantly said "we need to vote" no matter what!
I find your comments to be more than offensive. Why don't YOU concentrate a little bit more on THE BLUE DOG Democrats who roll over all the time! Debbie Wasserman-Schultz was am extremely bad choice to head DNC! Not only liberals think this.
In all the years I've been here at DU have I ever put anyone on ignore, probably won't do it, but between you and VanillaRhapsody I'm tired of being attacked!
Was going to go on, but it's useless...
he is being sarcastic.
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)I cannot believe this post remains on DU, but for some reason it does. Many here have found it offensive, especially today. If it is sarcasm, it is ill timed. This OP has ruffled a lot of feathers at a time when many of us are hurting. It should be removed.
Earth_First
(14,910 posts)Mine are fresh, and my radar is registering off the charts!
Be well...
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uppityperson
(115,679 posts)Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)Democrats are more discriminating. They won't vote for a candidate they don't respect. Republicans will vote for any unqualified horse's ass or bozo who runs as a conservative.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)Bend over!
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AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)that is what the electorate demands. Just ask Debbie Wasserman-Schultz!
That, and more Bible quotes.
Then she's INEVITABLE!
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)to turn around and go home.
All of them told me, on the way out the door, that they had been planning to vote Democratic until I showed up.
I'm so sorry!
CrawlingChaos
(1,893 posts)You and your damn Birkenstocks. Nice job pal.
(thanks for the laugh)
QC
(26,371 posts)I really wanted President Palin!
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... endlessly.
And that's why we lose.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)political machine. I have idealistic values in terms of my sig. line, but I often wonder just how many Americans are interested in these values. Whatever, the democratic party needs to be united and not fractured.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)with Citizens United.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)When a restaurant fails in your town do you blame the consumers?
It's only tunnel vision that can make that look right.
If people don't like products that are offered then the failure MUST MOSTLY be the fault of the people choosing to sell the products to consumers in the places where the products are sold.
Believing the voters are to blame completely lets off incompetent politicians that don't connect to the electorate
840high
(17,196 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)to fit their view.
What people who think it's all about party loyalty and losses should be blamed on voters don't get is the process isn't all about party loyalty and voting for the team.
What politicians who push neo-liberal corporatist don't get that many people recognize that being a pro neo-liberal corporatist dem precludes being able to be FOR social spending.
Politicians who do that repeatedly turn out to be unable to deliver what they promise. Just like Mary Burke, the dem who lost to Walker. One of her last sets of school board votes involved voting FOR raises to salaries of school employees, BUT then votng against the increase in taxation that would make those raises possible.
The assumption that the base will vote for anyone because the base hasn't any other place to go, is deliberately suspending belief in reality. Voters faced with no other place to go on election day can just stay home.
RedstDem
(1,239 posts)I not holding my nose anymore, I'm voting for the closest thing to a progressive from here on out.
I'm talking about going green if need be.
Fuck it.
Capt. Obvious
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Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)and it's too far to walk.
CrawlingChaos
(1,893 posts)Gonna hit the shower for a slow, crying wall slide.