chained CPI.
I don't care about official labels and lists. That's not the point.

... is a Third Way Democrat unless one can prove they have a membership card to The Third Way organization.

Hey, it was just a friendly post so some here can get their shit straight and not sound so completely misinformed.

..no card necessary to buy into it.

You keep moving the goalpost. Now it's "Prove they are a card carrying member". Before it was, "It's a figment of your imagination".

What will the next incarnation be?

"It's a figment of your imagination" - never said that.

People in other threads (like the one I linked to) are implying that unless someone is a member of "Third Way," they are not third way.

You're making stuff up.

Failure

nt

being a card-carrying member is not required.

It adds salt of the tears of 25 million hungry US children and comes in a rock form so you can grind it.

of the American Dream.

Whatever these shape-shifting predators are calling themselves these day, they need to go the #%^* away.

It's a little incomplete because it doesn't contain governors, former governors and state Senators and House members. I'm sure you can weed them out on your own.

Happy Purging!

Barack Obama
Bill and Hillary Clinton
Al Gore

In the 113th Congress, the following 50 members of the House of Representatives currently belong to the New Democrat Coalition:[12]

Alabama[edit]

Terri Sewell (AL-07)

Arizona[edit]

Ron Barber (AZ-02)
Kyrsten Sinema (AZ-09)

California[edit]
Ami Bera (CA-07)

Lois Capps (CA-24)
Tony Cardenas (CA-29)
Susan Davis (CA-53)
Scott H. Peters (CA-52)
Loretta Sanchez (CA-46)
Adam Schiff (CA-28)
Juan Vargas (CA-51)

Colorado[edit]

Jared Polis (CO-2)
Ed Perlmutter (CO-7)
Connecticut[edit]
Joe Courtney (CT-2)
Elizabeth Esty (CT-05)
Jim Himes (CT-04)
Delaware[edit]
John Carney (DE-At Large)
Florida[edit]
Joe Garcia (FL-26)
Patrick Murphy (FL-18)
Debbie Wasserman Schultz (FL-23)

Georgia[edit]

David Scott (GA-13)

Hawaii[edit]

Colleen Hanabusa (HI-01)

Illinois[edit]

Bill Foster (IL-11)
Mike Quigley (IL-05)
Brad Schneider (IL-10)

Indiana[edit]

André Carson (IN-7)

Louisiana[edit]

Cedric Richmond (LA-2)

Maryland[edit]

John Delaney (MD-06)

Michigan[edit]

Gary Peters (MI-14)
New Jersey[edit]
Rush D. Holt (NJ-12)

New York[edit]

Dan Maffei (NY-24)
Sean Patrick Maloney (NY-18)
Carolyn McCarthy (NY-4)
Gregory Meeks (NY-5)
Eliot L. Engel (NY-16)
Bill Owens (NY-21)

North Carolina[edit]

Mike McIntyre (NC-07)

Oregon[edit]

Kurt Schrader (OR-5)

Pennsylvania[edit]

Allyson Schwartz (PA-13)

Puerto Rico[edit]

Pedro Pierluisi (PR-At Large)

Tennessee

Jim Cooper (TN-05)

Texas[edit]

Joaquin Castro (TX-20)
Filemon Vela, Jr. (TX-34)

Virginia[edit]

Jim Moran (VA-8), charter member

Gerry Connolly (VA-11)

Washington[edit]

Suzan DelBene (WA-01)
Denny Heck (WA-10)
Derek Kilmer (WA-06)
Rick Larsen (WA-2)
Adam Smith (WA-9), Vice-Chair, charter member

Wisconsin[edit]
Ron Kind (WI-3), Vice-Chair, charter member

Former members[edit]
Former Representatives[edit]
Members who have left Congress:

James A. Barcia (MI-5), charter member, did not seek re-election
Chris Bell (TX-25), lost re-election following redistricting
Ken Bentsen (TX-25), charter member, did not seek re-election
Dennis Cardoza (CA-18), did not seek re-election and subsequently resigned in 2012
Ed Case (HI-2), did not seek re-election
Bob Clement (TN-5), charter member, did not seek re-election
Jim Davis (FL-11), charter member, did not seek re-election
Peter Deutsch (FL-20), charter member, did not seek re-election
Norman D. Dicks (WA-6), charter member, did not seek re-election
Bob Etheridge (NC-2), charter member, lost re-election in 2010
Harold Ford (TN-9), did not seek re-election
Gabrielle Giffords (AZ-8), resigned from Congress in January 2012
Kirsten Gillibrand (NY-20), appointed to Hillary Clinton's vacant Senate seat
Jane Harman (CA-36), resigned in 2011
Jay Inslee (WA-1), resigned in March 2012, Elected State Governor
John J. LaFalce (NY-29), charter member, did not seek re-election
Nick Lampson (TX-22), lost re-election in 2008
Bill Luther (MN-6), charter member, lost re-election following redistricting
Tim Mahoney (FL-16), lost re-election in 2008
Denise Majette (GA-4), did not seek re-election
Bob Matsui (CA-5), charter member, deceased
Karen McCarthy (MO-5), charter member, did not seek re-election
Juanita Millender-McDonald (CA-37), deceased
Brad Miller (NC-13), did not seek re-election
Earl Pomeroy (ND), charter member, lost re-election in 2010
Steve Rothman (NJ-9), charter member, lost renomination following redistricting
Max Sandlin (TX-1), charter member, lost re-election following redistricting
Thomas C. Sawyer (OH-14), charter member, lost re-election following redistricting
Heath Shuler (NC-11), did not seek re-election
Charles Stenholm (TX-17), charter member, lost re-election following redistricting
Ellen Tauscher (CA-10), appointed Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security Affairs
Jim Turner (TX-2), charter member, did not seek re-election

Senate New Democrat Coalition members[edit]

The following Senators belong or belonged to the Senate New Democrat Coalition.[13][14][15]

Current senators[edit]

Dianne Feinstein (CA, by 2001)
Thomas R. Carper (DE, by 2001; co-chair from 2003)
Bill Nelson (FL, by 2001)
Mary Landrieu (LA, founder, co-chair from 2003)
Debbie Stabenow (MI, by 2001)
Kirsten Gillibrand (NY)
Tim Johnson (SD, from 2000)
Maria Cantwell (WA, by 2001)

Former senators[edit]

Blanche Lincoln (AR, founder, from 1999; defeated in 2010)
Evan Bayh (IN, founder, retired from senate in 2011)
Hillary Rodham Clinton (NY, from 2001; retired from Senate in 2009 to become Secretary of State)[16]
Bob Graham (FL, founder, chair from 2000–2003; retired from Senate in 2003)
Max Cleland (GA, from 2000; defeated in 2002)
Zell Miller (GA, from 2001; retired from Senate in 2004)
John Breaux (LA, from 2000; retired from Senate in 2004)
Jean Carnahan (MO, from 2001; defeated in 2002)
John Edwards (NC, from 2000; retired from Senate in 2004)
Bob Kerrey (NE, from 2000; retired from Senate in 2000)
Richard Bryan (NV, from 2000; retired from Senate in 2000)
Chuck Robb (VA, from 2000; defeated in 2000)
Jon Corzine (NJ, from 2004; retired to run for Governor in 2005)
John Kerry (MA, from 2000); resigned to take office as Secretary of State in 2013
Joseph Biden (Delaware)

btw, this was the first time I saw the pic with Palin. Strange bedfellows indeed.
I wonder if Hillary regrets endorsing him over Lamont.

Focused on Kerry is the OP but in the comments very thoughtful opinions on HRC s relation with DLC vs. people like Kerry. ... (and now Obama)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x471099

Our debate is not new!

John Kerry was a leader in the Senate New Democrat coalition - which means if such a thing as a 'card carrying third wayer' existed, he'd been one.

H didnt officially suscribed to all their agenda. Only worked with them one some issus. And remeber his stances in 2005.2006. DLc was Far from being happy with it!

That he was very far from being their perfect and dreamed docile puppet.

Bill Clinton butted heads with them, for fuck's sake.

It's funny to watch.

It is funny to watch...sad, but funny.

more persuasive defenders to communicate their message to us commoners. I feel like I'm really starting to come around...another few years should do it

They could have continued to nominate candidates like Mondale, McGovern, and Humphrey. Instead, they won five elections with Carter, Clinton, and Obama.

Just throw some Holy Water on anyone you have doubts about.

And it took no digging. I already knew this stuff (I'm not a product of Left Wing Historical Revisionism)

Or maybe the Friends of Cactus Jack. The ideology wasn't new, it was a bit of a return to the pre-Depression platform of the Democratic Party, minus the complete excision of Louis Brandeis. Given that, from a historical perspective, the centrist types would be more correct in labeling themselves as Progressives while those who currently claim that name would be more correct in calling themselves Populists or Jefferson-Jackson Democrats.

I didn't realize the CDM was founded in 72. It must have been an extremely incompetent organization in those days, as the New Left influence in the party pretty much peaked after 1975 when the southern committee chairmen were purged.

As for whether New Left policies were influential in the late 60s, I have to call that nothing but propaganda. The New Left influence really didn't take hold until the nomination of McGovern and there were a few years of struggle before it was ascendant. The difference between the New Left and New Democrats was one of tone, not substance. Social issues, especially abortion, were the real battleground, while economic issues were conceded once the Democratic Party became addicted to corporate financing in late 1970s.

For all the hype of the New Democrats, their success is really bound up in Bill Clinton, who won because of one of the most peculiar races in American history, not because he was riding a wave like FDR or LBJ. It's kind of telling that New Democrats tout his "achievements" as most of them were passed by a radical GOP Congress and handed him to sign. The only big name legislative items that were primarily Democratic were the tax bill in 1993 and the crime bill in 1994. NAFTA, like TARP fourteen years later, would require a horde of GOP support and the personal whipping of the president, or the soon-to-be president-elect, to pass it. The rest were GOP priorities, which the New Democrats happened to share.

All that being said, I do think it's important you point out exactly who is and isn't a New Democrat/DLC/Third Way/whatever. Not from a "purge the infidels" perspective, but so that people actually know their party's history. In some ways, I think the argument here on DU, and at times generally, is whether to continue a logical progression of the mid-century Democratic Party or return to its pre-Depression roots. Neither of those is strictly accurate, if only because of the base switch between the two major parties, but it kind of sums up the difference.

In my local political context, a prominent "New Democrat" is hot to suppress the "socialist" wing of the city council, which would leave it the monopoly of elite propertied interests.

This makes more sense now. I was about to call out Diane Feinstein as both, too.

No one, with exception of Bernie Sanders, talks about Social Democrats. That's really what the base of the Democratic Party is made up of. We don't own Lexus's, shop at Whole Foods, or carry purses by Prada.

I haven't seen you in GD in all of the time I've posted here except for this week, trying to convince everybody that if we aren't third-way (but you don't know what that is) we are dirty, rotten scoundrels.

I can't figure out where you got your post count from, because I certainly do not remember your vitriol towards *DEMOCRATS* which is what this site is all about.

you are invaluable.

If you're going out into the political world with a chip on your shoulder, I'd prefer you at least be a little cognizant of history.

... fact checking only re-enforces misinformation.

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He always needs to have the last word.
I've got 5 bucks says he's going to say something else.

I've got 10 bucks says he's going to say something else.

We could place bets on how big the sub-thread might get.

Oh shit I blew it!


Never been good at gambling.

Okay, double or nothing. Nobody post again on 3...2...1...

you know like 3,2,1,now!

Oh shit I blew it!

Obviously no good. I'm out!

Okay I owe you lunch.

trying to use ridicule to mis-direct Third Wayers/ Neo-Democrats as a figment of the "loony left's" imagination. We'd better gird ourselves for large Ready for Hillary avalanches from Bullshit Mountain. It's just beginning.

And, they're warring against the Left....while calling for "unity" and blaming us when they lose...again.

All this distraction away from the group in question is cute, but really unnecessary.

Poof - a new vague bullet point spin. And to to try to rope in RFK...as if!

Just as the RW like to claim MLK and JFK as Right wingers. You have to love the bullshit. Wow.

trade policies like NAFTA and the telecommunications act of 1996 that paved the yellow brick road right to FOX news cannot claim RFK and a fellow traveler.

Not at all.

I reject the Third Way that has polluted the party.

DLC was formed and still is run by Wall Street bankers.

I do not trust Wall Street bankers considering the fraud the perpetrated.

That's why I am neither a Hilary Clinton supporter, nor a third way supporter. Hillary lost in 2008 by not being anti-corporate enough, but ironically, Obama is nearly as bad.

The message is this - STOP acting like Republicans.

Why consult the people when you can rub elbows with your fellow travelers and decide what's best for the ignorant plebs?